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talk about butt hurt. OEMs need to shut up or step up.
Microsoft Surface Tablet announced
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-Pyromaniac-
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OEMs pretending like they have any other choice.
Microsoft's recent track record on high end electronics is not so good. After the Xbox 360 I'd be a little iffy about buying a first generation Surface.
Steelyuhas
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Lol that is hilarious because the reason they made it is because OEMs keep "mailing it in" with shitty products.
Dreams-Visions
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Actually, Acer has made one of the better mid-range Winbox laptop lines for some time now. Let's not go crazy.
brotkasten
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Forget Surface, it's all about Surface 2!
Monumental
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lol, the Xbox 360 is part of Microsoft's "recent" track record? The last 360's that broke were manufactured in 2006 bro. Get over it.
Have you ever used an acer product ? Its not the surface we have to worry about embarrasing others.
Sure , the xbox 360 had problems , but when was the last time you heard of them.
MS makes a slew or physical products all with great track records.
It's the most recent example of Microsoft designing and manufacturing an expensive consumer electronics product, yes. And MS didn't even acknowledge the problem until July 2007. They were still selling faulty systems with the Xenon motherboard up until the Zephyr revision in mid-2007 - nearly 2 years of a busted, doomed-to-fail system.
The 360 didn't become reliable until after a hardware revision. Which is why I said I'd be wary of a first generation Surace. After revisions I would not be as concerned.
brotkasten
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Pretty much every first generation device sucks for one reason or another.
It's still one product of several hundred from the Microsoft hardware division.
If theres one company that sure wont make the same mistake it is Microsoft.
Lenovo's 'ultra-portable' ThinkPad T430u will be available later this month for $779
By the time the Surface comes to market there should be more choices in the sub-$800 range...
By the time the Surface comes to market there should be more choices in the sub-$800 range...
Shogmaster
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Oh jebus, Surface Pro won't be below 1K. Let's face facts. I'll throw a goddamn celebratory party if it comes out @ $999 w 128GB SSD ffs...
Monumental
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No. The 360 has been reliable since the Falcon.
There gonna be a huge sales on Ultra portable coming this fall. I for one can't wait.
Falcon was the second hardware revision, after Zephyr and Xenon.
I'm more curious to see what price their tablet is gonna come in at. It looks like a nice bit of hardware.
I'm willing to bet it'll be 599 or below.
Shogmaster
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I know it will be tainted with Atom CPU and all, but with an EMR pen in tow, I'm thinking you are about $100 too optimistic.
I just don't really see them increasing the entry price 200 dollars over the previous thinkpad tablet. If they were going to, I'd imagine they'd call it something else. I could totally be wrong though.
Shogmaster
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You don't see them increasing the price by $200 over a failed Android Tegra 2 tablet to a Windows 8 X86 CPU tablet? Come on dude, it's not even in the same class anymore.
The SSD space for this thing will probably start @ 64GB because of Win8/86, which will be same as the highest cost version of the older one, which goes for $659 right now.
Well you're comparing it to a product released a year ago. Tablets in that price range today are quite different, just look at the note 10.1. But if it starts with a 64gb SSD, then yeah you're probably right about the price.
ssd's aren't expensive anymore. 120 gig are going as low as $60 and 120 gigs are in the low $100 range.
The second digitilizer wont affect costs much either.
Shogmaster
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In a world where Lenovo doesn't want to make any profit on the thing, what you say may make sense but in this world, you are on crack.
The world I live in , OEMs buying hundreds of thousands if not millions of a part like an ssd wouldn't pay retail prices.
Hmm so Win 8 Pro tablet in Oct. http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/8/3228990/lenovo-thinkpad-tablet-2
Shogmaster
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No shit. They deal in quantities of 10K. Never the less, you are high if the Wacom Penabled digitizer (~$50) and more SSD chips on the mobo won't make impact on pricing.
Shogmaster
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It's one of many X86 Win 8 tablets with active digitizer (pen) coming out.
I'm sure it will cost more , but i'm sane and believe an atom solution would have to hit the market under the surface and the surface I believe will be at $800
Shogmaster
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I'll make a ban bet with you that Surface Pro won't be less than $850.
-Pyromaniac-
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If the surface pro isn't 450 or less then microsoft has failed the tech industry.
You and anyone hoping for that are insane.
and how long is the ban ?
-Pyromaniac-
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by the time time this thing comes out computers will cost 800 dollars for a dozen. There's nothing innovative about selling a computer with a floppy keyboard for a thousand bucks.
Shogmaster
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That part is true, but is still don't see it hitting below 650 form the lowest feature set.
foodtaster
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just buy a 2740p people. 5 hour battery life, it's like $400 on ebay and has multitouch + pen. also faster than the lenovo. only thing is that it's a laptop. (tablet)
-Pyromaniac-
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if it has shitty battery life it won't even be worth 650. If the battery life is good, I'd buy it at $699 max.
You call it hotshot.
I'd do a 30 day.
I believe it will be $800 for the low end Surface pro with no wacom pen (sold seperately) and ivy bridge.
If an announcement comes out that it will be using haswell then I will agree with you on the $850 + price point.
Ban will be the day the announce the price or the day it releases ?
an atom cpu should get good battery life , but it will be a poor performer. I'd expect at least 10 hours of battery life with that set up
-Pyromaniac-
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I drop bombs son.
MS themselves already said it's doomed, they only expect to sell a few million.
It (RT) is doomed anyway. Its basically the TouchPad 2.0 (without the $99 madness)
Well whats the point then? Just to put some oems noses out of joint?
I think they are publically aiming low, but expect it to do well... otherwise why? Is it like the 'nexus' stuff that is an attempt to steer their oems devices in a direction they like?
I mean, outside of the keyboard screen cover... it doesnt do anything special, its a tablet... and it looks like most of thw windows tablets were going to look like. (Rectangles with a windows button)
I think they are publically aiming low, but expect it to do well... otherwise why? Is it like the 'nexus' stuff that is an attempt to steer their oems devices in a direction they like?
I mean, outside of the keyboard screen cover... it doesnt do anything special, its a tablet... and it looks like most of thw windows tablets were going to look like. (Rectangles with a windows button)
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