Mitt Romney announces Paul Ryan as running mate
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Instead, I'm going to sit here and watch Lisa Ann slander that woman.
Wafflecakes
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That election was lost WAY before Palin was included. Democrats were polling way ahead a year out of the election and simply maintained. The supposed bump for Obama after Palin (or the decline of McCain if thats the way you look at it) is almost completely a fabrication.
She only came off as a bit ignorant and unprepared back then. It wasn't till after that people realized that she was batshit crazy.
GillianSeed79
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At least I now have a reason to go old school and put these back in my playlists like when I was back in college. It's among the small things can keep me sane in the Fox News land where I live.
My 2012 anthem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbEP6Y1Op24
Pissed off track:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR8-yU6vN70
And just a catchy pissed off track:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bHRmUK2P88
My 2012 anthem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbEP6Y1Op24
Pissed off track:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR8-yU6vN70
And just a catchy pissed off track:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bHRmUK2P88
IrishNinja
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pailin fucked things up long-term, but do ya'll still really think mccain would've had it with a more standard VP?
spiderman123
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Ewww......have some decency she's a maverick at anal for crying out loud.
SouthernDragon
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Gary Whitta
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I think he still would have lost but it wouldn't have been a blowout like it was. And it wouldn't have created the tragic political legacy of Palin that we have today.
DataStream
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McCain lost the election for McCain once he gave into all the special interests and far right wackos he spent most of his career deriding. He was basically done when he lost against Bush Jr, the effect that campaign had on his view of politics really changed him.
SouthernDragon
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Also, Mr. Awesome, it's at the bottom of the last page so I hope you don't miss it:
Here's my serious reply to your question.
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ThisWreckage
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I think this is a pretty solid pick.
It gives time for all the Sunday morning roundtable political show to inform the public and get their say in, and everyone will have become disinterested by the time the Spice Girls close the Olympics. Ryan's too young to have been involved in any Washington scandal. It doesn't seem like he has much of an opinion on any social issues that don't involve money. He's like a completely blank canvas, Sarah Palin-style. It's brilliant! >_>
Mgoblue201
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After thinking about it for some time, I'm not sure what Romney is going to get out of this. He could've continued to stick with non-specifics for his budget proposals and tried to make the election about the economy. But now Romney will inevitably have to answer for everything that Ryan has proposed in the past. It's going to be a huge distraction for him, having to answer questions about Medicare. The criticism he is receiving now for his budget "plan" will pale in comparison.
Glorified G
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GWB was the most unpopular president in recent memory. No republican was going to win the election that year.
Alcibiades
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The unpopularity of Bush, due to the War in Iraq and the economic collapse is the reason McCain didn't win. That, combined with the fact the fact that he was "liberal" (LOL) made it so that there was little chance he was going to win no matter what. Palin may have convinced a few independents to swing to Obama, but probably no more than it convinced a few conservatives to vote for McCain (who were going to stay home).
I predict the Ryan thing will be a wash overall. No one really cares about politics and there is so much misinformation out there anyway (Obama a Muslim, Romney a Socialist, etc...) that I doubt VP selection will hurt or help Romney.
The election will be decided but a few hundred thousand people in like 4-5 states. If there is a really, really close decision in one of those states (like Florida in 2000), then maybe the VP pick will actually have made a difference.
Oil prices, unemployment, and the economy will have a greater effect. If things stay the same or get slightly better, Obama wins big. If things get kinda worse, then it might be close. If things go to hell, then Romney is probably a favorite.
EDIT: I did read a few articles about how Ryan would be a "bold" and "exciting" choice, but honestly he is just another white guy boring Republican even though I follow politics and knew the Top 3 favorites. I'm sure typical voters didn't know the difference between the three and probably have no interest in policy differences and discussions. The only way Romney could have made a splash is with someone that stands out physically and charismatically. A minority, a woman, maybe Christie because he is big man.
I predict the Ryan thing will be a wash overall. No one really cares about politics and there is so much misinformation out there anyway (Obama a Muslim, Romney a Socialist, etc...) that I doubt VP selection will hurt or help Romney.
The election will be decided but a few hundred thousand people in like 4-5 states. If there is a really, really close decision in one of those states (like Florida in 2000), then maybe the VP pick will actually have made a difference.
Oil prices, unemployment, and the economy will have a greater effect. If things stay the same or get slightly better, Obama wins big. If things get kinda worse, then it might be close. If things go to hell, then Romney is probably a favorite.
EDIT: I did read a few articles about how Ryan would be a "bold" and "exciting" choice, but honestly he is just another white guy boring Republican even though I follow politics and knew the Top 3 favorites. I'm sure typical voters didn't know the difference between the three and probably have no interest in policy differences and discussions. The only way Romney could have made a splash is with someone that stands out physically and charismatically. A minority, a woman, maybe Christie because he is big man.
cartoon_soldier
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Apart from his anti gay voting record you mean? Voted against ending DADT.
Thunder Monkey
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This is one piece of common political knowledge that is complete bunk.
McCain lost less than 1 million voters compared to Bush.
McCain is #4 on the list of highest presidential vote totals.
The guy has been a House member for almost 14 years. And he is extremely socially conservative.
Wafflecakes
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Yeah except vote totals mean nothing.
Populations grow....yes....groundbreaking stuff. There was also a strong 3rd party candidate during Clinton's two elections siphoning off votes. Anytime before that is a ridiculous caparison because of the population disparity..
Alcibiades
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Perhaps, but I still think Bush's unpopularity sealed McCain's fate. Short of a joke opponent like Al Sharpton or Dennis Kucinich (not dissing I like him), McCain had no shot.
Thunder Monkey
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#1 is still Reagan.
I don't disagree with that.
I just didn't see the mass exodus of Republican voters in 2008.
Wafflecakes
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Yeah but that was a incredible landslide. Hardly typical.
Either way. Vote totals mean absolutely nothing. Of all the possible metrics you could use its one of the worst.
Thunder Monkey
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I wasn't using it to say anything other than "There really wasn't much difference between McCain and Bush vote totals to say there was a mass exodus of Republican voters."
Glorified G
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Popular votes are irrelevant. Dems made huge strides in states they weren't in play in past elections thanks to the unpopularity of gwb.
Speaking of this, has there been a president that lost the primary to someone who lost an election before? Like Mitt losing to McCain.
Thunder Monkey
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59 million people still voted for McCain. Less than a million fewer than voted for Bush in 2004.
I don't think his unpopularity hurt Republicans much at all. It was the fact that people liked Obama (and the very large new voter turnout) that sealed the deal.
Alcibiades
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I guess that is possible, but too many people consider McCain and Romney "liberals" for me not to think people stayed home and that some might this time around (probably less due to growing dislike for Obama). Then again I live in Texas so my view is probably skewed.
Thunder Monkey
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I've actually got no clue on this one.
Nixon lost a presidential race before becoming president, but I don't know of a candidate that lost a primary before being president.
No, he didn't convert people in huge numbers, but a dislike of Bush did help to spur turnout that in previous years had stayed home.
ReBurn
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Unless you are Al Gore. Then they are the will of the people.
Anyway, I doubt Romney can win. But at least Ryan looks like he could win the part of Vice President if he were cast in that role in a movie. That's at least something.
Reagan. Lost to Ford who lost to Carter
Thunder Monkey
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2004 saw some of the largest voter increases we've ever seen actually.
2000 election it was split 43 million to 43 million.
In 2004 that increased to 59 million and 60 million. 4 years later Reps dropped 1 million voters and Dems picked up 10.
2000 election it was split 43 million to 43 million.
In 2004 that increased to 59 million and 60 million. 4 years later Reps dropped 1 million voters and Dems picked up 10.
Joeys_Rattata
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Reagan lost the 1976 primary to Ford, but I guess 1976 isn't really a good example.
Edit: Ah, beaten.
Oh. Right... Can't believe I forgot about that.
Thunder Monkey
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I was yet to be born, and dislike anything Reagan with a disturbing passion.
In retrospect his stance of "Get rid of all nukes." appeals to me.
Normally this would be good point, but people were really looking forward to punishing the Dems that year, and didn't pay too much attention to the details for Rick Scott. Now, though, the whole state hates him, and Ryan is more well known in terms of his plans for gutting medicare.
Also, Paul Ryan is LITERALLY the most unpopular member in congress!
Pretty sure that's not gonna help.
Paul Ryan eh. I love it. LOVE IT. If it wasn't obvious Obama was gonna win before, now it's pretty much guaranteed.
So let me get this straight:
You have a presidential candidate who describes campaigning as an etch-a-sketch, who ties dogs on top of cars, who flipflops on EVERYTHING, who pays 15% taxes (or less, we don't know because he refuses to show his tax files) as a millionaire and who gives 0 shits about the problems most poor/middle-class americans are having.
And now you have a VP who wants to cut ALL funding, including 30% to medicare, replace social security/pensions with vouchers, who wants to cut funding to community programs for women/poor/children, for public safety programs that fund firefighters/policemen and who wants to cut funding for education and all kinds of grants for the poor to go to college.
Yep, dis gun b good.
So let me get this straight:
You have a presidential candidate who describes campaigning as an etch-a-sketch, who ties dogs on top of cars, who flipflops on EVERYTHING, who pays 15% taxes (or less, we don't know because he refuses to show his tax files) as a millionaire and who gives 0 shits about the problems most poor/middle-class americans are having.
And now you have a VP who wants to cut ALL funding, including 30% to medicare, replace social security/pensions with vouchers, who wants to cut funding to community programs for women/poor/children, for public safety programs that fund firefighters/policemen and who wants to cut funding for education and all kinds of grants for the poor to go to college.
Yep, dis gun b good.
ClassyPenguin
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The debates are gun a bee good!
Paul Ryan, a Randian hack vs Biden, someone who can actually hold an audience (his Memorial Day speech brought tears to my eyes).
Paul Ryan, a Randian hack vs Biden, someone who can actually hold an audience (his Memorial Day speech brought tears to my eyes).
spiderman123
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Biden has a history of rambling off point though.
This will be interesting. Truly now more people are going to talk about Ryan than Romney, just wait.
Also, this just became about union vs non-union and the debate is going to piss a lot of people off. Just ask those that live in Madison.
Our country, as a whole, now will have the Union debate and it will be in everyone's face. It could get ugly, and it will tell us exactly what our country thinks about unions and collective bargaining this century.
And people still won't give a crap about Romney.
Then also all that anti Obamacare talk, well that is going to be the other thing everyone talks about once again. "I don't want to pay 20 cents more for my pizza."
Also, this just became about union vs non-union and the debate is going to piss a lot of people off. Just ask those that live in Madison.
Our country, as a whole, now will have the Union debate and it will be in everyone's face. It could get ugly, and it will tell us exactly what our country thinks about unions and collective bargaining this century.
And people still won't give a crap about Romney.
Then also all that anti Obamacare talk, well that is going to be the other thing everyone talks about once again. "I don't want to pay 20 cents more for my pizza."
Karma Kramer
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I don't know why but I get the impression that Romney will win this election because I don't see Obama holding the same level of enthusiasm for voter turnout. Perhaps the polls say differently, but I think there is definitely a large enough amount of voters who will poll for Obama but won't be at the ballot boxes. With the economy in its current shape and a general distaste of our government structure.... the feeling that a president holds less power in the face of a partisan congress and senate... there simply won't be the same level of enthusiasm that we saw in 2008 after 8 terrible years of the GOP. Not to mention the historic significance of a black president who is offering change. Romney should lose this election by how he is campaigning but I don't think it matters very much... Romney's tactic of not being pigeon holed as anything but a flip flopper will be viewed positively with the republican base mainly due to their disapproval of the current situation ("I'm not satisfied with the economy or our political climate, we need a change). And for the democratic base, Romney is akin to McCain... he is the most moderate Republican nominee. A Mass. Governor who implemented the same thing that Obama has. Their foreign policy is almost identical. Regarding economic policy, there are differences definitely, but with an ineffective congress/senate, those issues have shown to be at a stand still. Most of all I just can't imagine Romney is playing his hand this way if he didn't think that being viewed as a cut-throat business man with little political ideologue was the winning hand.
It's amazing because of all the candidates Romney could have chosen, this one seems almost as if Obama hand picked it for him. Ryan's budget is like the poster child for the entire argument Obama has tried to push against Romney all summer: so now they're going to litigate this deep into the fall election season thanks to the single most important choice Romney will make his entire campaign?
This is so amazing. All Obama and Biden have to do is win the debates (and crucially Biden must push back hard, which he is perfectly capable of) and this is game.set.match.
b-b-but obummer hussein marxist sadam hitler the IIIrd is the must LIBRUL president since the last democratic prezidentals nomnee ran for office and I read it off a chain e-mail!
TacticalFox88
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They just turned a theoretical stomp into a likely roflstomp. Obama is winning by margins greater than 2008. I'm calling it.
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