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[Amir0x]

They just turned a theoretical stomp into a likely roflstomp. Obama is winning by margins greater than 2008. I'm calling it.

nooo way

imo, Obama will lose Florida, North Carolina and Indiana easily.

 

[fritolay]

http://youtu.be/dRhFnLeDdzM

People across the country will now be very angry and vocal. This could get ugly.

Last election there was a Republican VP that wasn't qualified. This year you have one that is very "qualified" per say, but will piss a lot of people off.

This election just became about Paul Ryan, and you would think he is running for President. One of the most controversial VP's in an election for a while.

 

[Amir0x]

http://youtu.be/dRhFnLeDdzM

People across the country will now be very angry and vocal. This could get ugly.

Last election there was a Republican VP that wasn't qualified. This year you have one that is very "qualified" per say, but will piss a lot of people off.

This election just became about Paul Ryan, and you would think he is running for President. One of the most controversial VP's in an election for a while.

most controversial VP pick since the last controversial VP pick!

 

[ReBurn]

I don't think that the people who would vote for Romney will be upset at him choosing Ryan. I don't think he'll be nearly as controversial as Palin was. I doubt that the republican party would make a vetting mistake that serious again so soon, at least to republicans. Democrats will think so, though.

 

[Karma Kramer]

this pick is barely controversial, I think it might be a good pick because Ryan does show leadership which is where Romney and Obama lack.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

this pick is barely controversial, I think it might be a good pick because Ryan does show leadership which is where Romney and Obama lack.

As someone said earlier though "HE WANTS TO TAKE ENTITLEMENTS AWAY FROM REPUBLICANS ONLY LOYAL VOTING BLOCK!"

 

[Amir0x]

this pick is barely controversial, I think it might be a good pick because Ryan does show leadership which is where Romney and Obama lack.

Obama definitely lacks a spine at times, but he does not lack leadership ability altogether (unlike Romney) - his presidency is marked by quite a few significant policy achievements for which he was variously talked down or up one way or the other by his staff, and he made the riskier choice which ended in a greater reward.

 

[Karma Kramer]

As someone said earlier though "HE WANTS TO TAKE ENTITLEMENTS AWAY FROM REPUBLICANS ONLY LOYAL VOTING BLOCK!"

Republicans constantly vote against their interests. And VPs are more about image than individual policies... he will run on the Romney plan.

 

[Dude Abides]

They just turned a theoretical stomp into a likely roflstomp. Obama is winning by margins greater than 2008. I'm calling it.

Lol.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Republicans constantly vote against their interests.

But the minute you talk about changing Social Security or Medicare old people flip their shit.

 

[bananas]

Republicans constantly vote against their interests. And VPs are more about image than individual policies... he will run on the Romney plan.

NY-26 didn't.

 

[ReBurn]

Republicans constantly vote against their interests. And VPs are more about image than individual policies... he will run on the Romney plan.

Not the ones with any real economic power.

 

[Clevinger]

he will run on the Romney plan.

But Romney's plan is to sign Paul Ryan's budgets into law.

 

[Karma Kramer]

Obama definitely lacks a spine at times, but he does not lack leadership ability altogether (unlike Romney) - his presidency is marked by quite a few significant policy achievements for which he was variously talked down or up one way or the other by his staff, and he made the riskier choice which ended in a greater reward.

True, but Obama doesn't have the stature that he had during the 2008 election. People just aren't buying into his ability to be decisive and aggressive as a leader.

 

[ReBurn]

But the minute you talk about changing Social Security or Medicare old people flip their shit.

That's true. There's no real threat to Social Security or Medicare. It's all pretty much just chest thumping to stir the pot.

If either of those programs were actually in danger the old people in Florida would get on their tour buses, drive to DC, and physically drag Congress from their comfortable leather chairs into the streets where they would be summarily stoned and burned. Probably literally.

 

[danwarb]

Not the ones with any real economic power.

I think they do too. Short sighted and don't know what's good for them.

 

[TacticalFox88]

True, but Obama doesn't have the stature that he had during the 2008 election. People just aren't buying into his ability to be decisive and aggressive as a leader.

This guy had the balls to send a team of SEALs into a sovereign country on the off chance that Osama was there. And guess what it turns out he was right!

You really think Romney has the courage or conviction to make that call?

 

[Karma Kramer]

But Romney's plan is to sign Paul Ryan's budgets into law.

I haven't seen Romney calling for the same type of budget cuts as Ryan.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

I haven't seen Romney calling for the same type of budget cuts as Ryan.

Except when he literally said "I'd sign it into law."

 

[slidewinder]

Lol.

Lol what?

 

[IrishNinja]

nooo way

imo, Obama will lose Florida, North Carolina and Indiana easily.

see, a page back i was told Obama's got FL on lock now cause of AARP and Ryan's stance on medicare though

 

[Amir0x]

True, but Obama doesn't have the stature that he had during the 2008 election. People just aren't buying into his ability to be decisive and aggressive as a leader.

I don't know, he's viewed as something as a foreign policy hawk now by the majority of Americans. It really just depends on what particular presidential political category you're discussing, because Obama has a backbone on some issue, and absolutely none on others.


SUCH as his scandalous pussy reversal of his stance on medical marijuana, wherein now he is regularly endorsing the federal government to raid legitimate dispenser businesses in California like a little bitch.

Or the continuation (and making worse of) the FISA warrantless wiretapping and other related Patriot Act shittery.

see, a page back i was told Obama's got FL on lock now cause of AARP and Ryan's stance on medicare though

No way, he doesn't have it on lock because Florida's recovery is lagging behind the national average. In states where this is true, Obama is in for the fight of his life and which I ultimately believe he will lose. He will win the electoral map though

 

[ReBurn]

This guy had the balls to send a team of SEALs into a sovereign country on the off chance that Osama was there. And guess what it turns out he was right!

You really think Romney has the courage or conviction to make that call?

It doesn't take balls to send a team of highly trained soldiers on a dangerous mission. I think Romney would easily make that call. Especially into Pakistan.

 

[Hobbestetrician]

see, a page back i was told Obama's got FL on lock now cause of AARP and Ryan's stance on medicare though

Recent polling was showing a shift towards Obama in Florida so we will see if this pick continues that trend. I have to think the Obama campaign and Super PACs will be inundating Florida with commercials about Ryan's plan.

 

[The Chosen One]

this pick is barely controversial, I think it might be a good pick because Ryan does show leadership which is where Romney and Obama lack.

How has he shown leadership in any meaningful way?

All he's done is write an idealogical budget that only passed in a heavily partisan House and that died soon after. He certainly wasn't out there showing leadership during last summer's debt ceiling debacle. The freshman Tea Party reps almost brought the country to its knees and Ryan just went along with the ride.

Also Romney can't hit Obama on his lack of private sector experience because Ryan practically has non either and he's been in Washington for the last 13-14 years.

It's a bit of a confusing pick because it pulls him further to the right. If your main concern is the deficit and slashing Federal programs, then Ryan may be an appealing candidate. But if your main concern is the economy and jobs, Ryan doesn't add to this at all. Ryan's budget shifts the burden of reducing the deficit onto the middle class and poor. "Right wing social engineering" as Newt put it...It just plays right into the perception of Romney that the Obama campaign has been trying to define.

Basically this pick doesn't help Romney build a broader coalition. It just energizes a portion of the GOP base.

 

[Amir0x]

It doesn't take balls to send a team of highly trained soldiers on a dangerous mission. I think Romney would easily make that call. Especially into Pakistan.

Except Obama's staff recommended a different approach altogether, and he ruled against them and made a significantly riskier decision which was given a 40% chance of success by his staff or 60% something like that and reaped far greater rewards for it.

Since Romney has shown all campaign that he is a wonked out pussy who is constantly allowing himself to be dragged this way and that by the whims of the ultra far right nutcases in this country, I highly doubt he has the balls to make any decision that requires not listening to whoever is talking to him at the moment and doing exactly what he says like a trained, formerly abused puppy.

 

[Funky Papa]

http://youtu.be/dRhFnLeDdzM

People across the country will now be very angry and vocal. This could get ugly.

Last election there was a Republican VP that wasn't qualified. This year you have one that is very "qualified" per say, but will piss a lot of people off.

This election just became about Paul Ryan, and you would think he is running for President. One of the most controversial VP's in an election for a while.

That "entitlements" part.

Ugh.

Just ugh.

I fucking hate that word.

 

[twobear]

Oh dear, Paul Ryan.

 

[Dude Abides]

Lol what?

Lol at the notion that Obama's a lock, and double lol at the idea he'll win by more than 2008. PoliGAF reminds me of that apocryphal Pauline Kael quote.

It doesn't take balls to send a team of highly trained soldiers on a dangerous mission. I think Romney would easily make that call. Especially into Pakistan.

It does take balls to order a mission with a significant possibility of failure which will be a debacle if it fails. Ever heard of Operation Eagle Claw?

 

[Karma Kramer]

How has he shown leadership in any meaningful way?

All he's done is write an idealogical budget that only passed in a heavily partisan House and that died soon after. He certainly wasn't out there showing leadership during last summer's debt ceiling debacle. The freshman Tea Party reps almost brought the country to its knees and Ryan just went along with the ride.

Also Romney can't hit Obama on his lack of private sector experience because Ryan practically has non either and he's been in Washington for the last 13-14 years.

It's a bit of a confusing pick because it pulls him further to the right. If your main concern is the deficit and slashing Federal programs, then Ryan may be an appealing candidate. But if your main concern is the economy and jobs, Ryan doesn't add to this at all. Ryan's budget shifts the burden of reducing the deficit onto the middle class and poor. "Right wing social engineering" as Newt put it...It just plays right into the perception of Romney that the Obama campaign has been trying to define.

Basically this pick doesn't help Romney build a broader coalition. It just energizes a portion of the GOP base.

By sticking to his principals he shows leadership. Remember I am not advocating he is a leader but that he will be seen as a leader by the mainstream media.

 

[Clevinger]

I think Romney would easily make that call. Especially into Pakistan.

Why? Back in 2008 when it was convenient, he criticized Obama's plan to get Bin Laden on Pakistani soil if he had to. Why would it be certain at all that he would have done the same thing on a mission that was just as likely to be a massive disaster and cost him reelection when he's too scared to even release some tax returns? Ridiculous.

By sticking to his principals he shows leadership. Remember I am not advocating he is a leader but that he will be seen as a leader by the mainstream media.

You must have missed the part where he turned on Ayn Rand's philosophy after zealously advocating for it for nearly a decade at least, all because it was politically convenient to lie about it. Also, this year's budget he changed his Medicare plans, shifting most of the gutting to Medicaid. That's not sticking to principles.

 

[Taiser]

badman & robbin

 

[Dram]

It doesn't take balls to send a team of highly trained soldiers on a dangerous mission. I think Romney would easily make that call. Especially into Pakistan.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2007/08/04/idINIndia-28811520070804

What had been an internecine foreign policy battle between rival Democrats Obama, an Illinois senator, and New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, spilled into the Republican arena in the heavily contested state of Iowa.

"I do not concur in the words of Barack Obama in a plan to enter an ally of ours... I don't think those kinds of comments help in this effort to draw more friends to our effort," Romney told reporters on the campaign trail.

Obama on Wednesday said if elected president in November 2008 he would be willing to launch military strikes against al Qaeda targets inside Pakistan with or without the approval of the Pakistani government of President Pervez Musharraf.

Romney, the former Massachusetts governor who is one of the Republican front-runners, said U.S. troops "shouldn't be sent all over the world." He called Obama's comments "ill-timed" and "ill-considered."

"There is a war being waged by terrorists of different types and nature across the world," Romney said. "We want, as a civilized world, to participate with other nations in this civilized effort to help those nations reject the extreme with them."

 

[The Chosen One]

Except Obama's staff recommended a different approach altogether, and he ruled against them and made a significantly riskier decision which was given a 40% chance of success by his staff or 60% something like that and reaped far greater rewards for it.

Since Romney has shown all campaign that he is a wonked out pussy who is constantly allowing himself to be dragged this way and that by the whims of the ultra far right nutcases in this country, I highly doubt he has the balls to make any decision that requires not listening to whoever is talking to him at the moment and doing exactly what he says like a trained, formerly abused puppy.

Romney was a governor. He did run a Winter Olympics. So supposedly he has some executive chops.

But for the past four years he's just been an empty vessel that will do whatever takes and change any position to become President. If he has any core values or beliefs, he doesn't believe in them that strongly. All politicians pander, but they still occasionally set their anchor and dock somewhere, and you can see how they act on dry land. But Romney is forever out at sea in a sail boat just going wherever the political winds take him.

It really feels like Romney just wants to be President because it would be "cool". It doesn't seem he really cares what direction the country heads in as long as the low tax rates and loop holes stay in place for him and his rich friends. But it doesn't seem he has any real convictions about foreign policy, domestic programs, social issues, and etc.

That's why I thought it would have been wise for Romney to pick someone who can connect with the middle class.

 

[Karma Kramer]

You must have missed the part where he turned on Ayn Rand's philosophy after advocating for it for nearly a decade at least, all because it was politically convenient to lie about it.

I don't think thats very relevant... the American public are too focused on current matters to be concerned about economic philosophy ten years ago.

 

[Rentahamster]

Also Romney can't hit Obama on his lack of private sector experience because Ryan practically has non either and he's been in Washington for the last 13-14 years.

Eh?

If Romney tells President Obama that President Obama doesn't have any private sector experience, how is "Well, neither does your vice presidential candidate" a good comeback line?

 

[slidewinder]

Lol at the notion that Obama's a lock, and double lol at the idea he'll win by more than 2008. PoliGAF reminds me of that apocryphal Pauline Kael quote.

They picked Ryan because Obama is a lock. They can't even hope to win without getting every last one of the moronoconservatives up off their couches. Hail Ayn.

 

[Karma Kramer]

Nothing is a lock yet. Lots of time ahead for anything to happen.

 

[Amir0x]

Romney was a governor. He did run a Winter Olympics. So supposedly he has some executive chops.

But for the past four years he's just been an empty vessel that will do whatever takes and change any position to become President. If he has any core values or beliefs, he doesn't believe in them that strongly. All politicians pander, but they still occasionally set their anchor and dock somewhere, and you can see how they act on dry land. But Romney is forever out at sea in a sail boat just going wherever the political winds take him.

It really feels like Romney just wants to be President because it would be "cool". It doesn't seem he really cares what direction the country heads in as long as the low tax rates and loop holes stay in place for him and his rich friends. But it doesn't seem he has any real convictions about foreign policy, domestic programs, social issues, and etc.

That's why I thought it would have been wise for Romney to pick someone who can connect with the middle class.

That just proves my point! When he was governor of Massachusetts (which, by the way, is an off-limits subject to Mitt Romney, who shies away from his time there like the average white pasty nerd would shy away from Monica Bellucci if approached), he pretty much buckled to the will of his constituents at every turn in order to have something approximating a functional state government. Given the results with Romneycare, I'm not holding it against him per say, buy he definitely really has no core beliefs that he is unwilling to change if the political winds shift that way.

 

[Karma Kramer]

That just proves my point! When he was governor of Massachusetts (which, by the way, is an off-limits subject to Mitt Romney, who shies away from his time there like the average white pasty nerd would shy away from Monica Bellucci if approached), he pretty much buckled to the will of his constituents at every turn in order to have something approximating a functional state government. Given the results with Romneycare, I'm not holding it against him per say, buy he definitely really has no core beliefs that he is unwilling to change if the political winds shift that way.

And I think this works to his benefit mainly because it makes it (edit: lol) less conservative (not partisan) to Democrats and at the very worst he is a bit less liberal compared to Obama to the Republicans.

 

[Dude Abides]

They picked Ryan because Obama is a lock. They can't even hope to win without getting every last one of the moronoconservatives up off their couches. Hail Ayn.

Uh huh. No president presiding over 8+ unployment and a 2/3 majority who think the country is declining is a lock.

 

[watershed]

Way too many people in here saying Obama victory is a lock. Neogaf politico threads are an echo chamber but you gotta take a step back and look at the national landscape, nothing is a lock at this point.

 

[Amir0x]

yup nothing is a lock, because any number of major political stories can come out between now and election day and complicate matteers

 

[Rentahamster]

Uh huh. No president presiding over 8+ unployment and a 2/3 majority who think the country is declining is a lock.

Yep. It's still a toss up.

 

[The Chosen One]

Eh?

If Romney tells President Obama that President Obama doesn't have any private sector experience, how is "Well, neither does your vice presidential candidate" a good comeback line?

No, it would be more like:

"If private sector experience was paramount to turning around a sluggish economy, then why did you pick someone with no private sector experience to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency?"

 

[eBay Huckster]

Eh?

If Romney tells President Obama that President Obama doesn't have any private sector experience, how is "Well, neither does your vice presidential candidate" a good comeback line?

If Romney tells President Obama that he doesn't have any private sector experience and then goes and picks someone without any private sector experience as his VP, then obviously it isn't actually that important to him

 

[slidewinder]

Uh huh. No president presiding over 8+ unployment and a 2/3 majority who think the country is declining is a lock.

Un duh. No romniderp der what lol r0ol stuf ung huh uh huh.

You're not a moron, so don't post like one.

 

[Mastgrr]

Expecting boatloads of ads in Florida about how the Ryan budget wants to gut and kill Medicare and Social Security.

 

[eBay Huckster]

Uh huh. No president presiding over 8+ unployment and a 2/3 majority who think the country is declining is a lock.

Counterpoint: Mitt Romney.

 

[jaxword]

Nothing is a lock yet. Lots of time ahead for anything to happen.

Yes.

Obama has won if things stay the same. Romney's not really changing the game much.

However, Obama COULD screw things up and alien his base somehow. I doubt this because he's not that stupid.

So in other words, this isn't Romney's election to win. This is Obama's to lose.

So it really depends on if Obama does something insane. He won't. So that's why I say he's won.