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Breaking Bad - Season 5, Part 1 - Sundays on AMC
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Don't see it.
More like Meth Damon, amirite guys?
Jesus Christ.
She is actively trying to kill her husband right now by chain-smoking. Actively trying to commit the murder of a largely-innocent man. Walt has only ever killed out of necessity.
She has also fucked Ted, which Walt has never done.
I really don't like her at all. Least sympathetic figure in the show IMO
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are you serious right now
DevelopmentArrested
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Just how i feel.
Train scene was obviously amazing.
Karma Kramer
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Would Gus technically be Walt's kill? Wouldn't Walt just be serving as a gun dealer in the sense that Hector can't physically use a gun and he was in a way defending himself from being killed...? The first drug dealer that Walt killed in the basement was out of self defense also. The only legitimate kills Walt has deliberately done would be the two security guards in the meth lab. However Walt has clearly gotten more comfortable with his dark side and is less sympathetic towards hard decisions. I kind of agree that Skylar because she became apart of Walt's drug dealing also turned bad. They are both bad.
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it's transparent at this point. puddles you're a joke.
I'm sorry that that we can't have a 100% unanimous consensus on a show that deals largely with gray areas and how moral boundaries differ from person to person.
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Jesus Christ.
Your shtick is getting really old.
Would be nice to have actual discussion and not this bullshit.
Cornballer
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damn another heist episode. that was intense.
I knew that pointless beginning has going to mean a lot at the end. Damn BB is good
I knew that pointless beginning has going to mean a lot at the end. Damn BB is good
Okay.
Was Walt affected by the murder of that innocent biker kid, and if so, how much?
In one of the stills that was posted a few pages back, you can see him clearly standing there with his mouth wide open, as though in shock. He doesn't look nearly as affected as Jesse, who is positively distraught, but he does look affected.
I think ultimately Walt will shrug this off though, and I will be disappointed in him for doing so. The death of that little kid could be the point where Walt crosses his Rubicon. A regular guy who really was in over his head would probably quit the business at that point. We know he won't do that. He's about "empire."
Even though the murder was 100% on Todd, Walt's business has now directly led to the death of a young child. This is the first innocent who has died on Walt's account (unless we're going to stretch it and include the plane crash). It'll be interesting to see how it affects him in next week's episode.
I am 100% not trolling with the following statement:
Up to this point, assuming that in the BB-universe Walt could calculate a non-lethal dosage of Lily of the Valley, I don't think Walt is past redemption at all, and I think he has showed on several occasions that there is still a lot of good in him. He has committed what are technically murders, but to quote the great Arnold in True Lies: "They were all bad."
However, the goodness that remained in him seems to be diminishing quickly, and I am sad to say that it is my prediction that Walt will cross a line where I will no longer be able to consider him the hero of the show. My personal hope is that he skirts close to that line, and ultimately backs away from the edge in the final episode, but we'll see. Depends on how dark Gilligan wants to take it.
Lionel Mandrake
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I'm not trolling with that.
Yes, Jane choked, and Walt didn't save her, and subsequently her father fucked up at his job and let two planes collide.
However, the exact same thing could have happened without Walt's involvement. Jane could have rolled on her back and choked if Walt had never shown up that night. Or it could have happened another night. Jane (and Jesse by extension) were ticking time-bombs at that point.
Thus, blaming Walt directly for the plane crash is a stretch, in my opinion.
I guess you can make the case that Jane was trying to get clean, and fell back into drugs when she met Jesse, who could only support that lifestyle because he was flush with cash because of the business he was in with Walt, and thus if Walt had never started producing meth, those planes never would have crashed, but that's another huge stretch.
Yes, Jane choked, and Walt didn't save her, and subsequently her father fucked up at his job and let two planes collide.
However, the exact same thing could have happened without Walt's involvement. Jane could have rolled on her back and choked if Walt had never shown up that night. Or it could have happened another night. Jane (and Jesse by extension) were ticking time-bombs at that point.
Thus, blaming Walt directly for the plane crash is a stretch, in my opinion.
I guess you can make the case that Jane was trying to get clean, and fell back into drugs when she met Jesse, who could only support that lifestyle because he was flush with cash because of the business he was in with Walt, and thus if Walt had never started producing meth, those planes never would have crashed, but that's another huge stretch.
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Well at least Puddles confirmed he's usually trolling by prefacing the non-trolling parts of his posts.
Trent Strong
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A stretch? I don't see how anyone could possibly put any of the blame for the plane crash on Walt.
Isn't understandable that Skylar is acting like a bitch because she is angry, scared, confused and wants to get rid of Walt? She knows that he must be involved with some pretty nasty people and she fears for her children's lives. His decision to stay in the drug business and put her and their children in harm's way has made her grow to despise him. Now, from every episode I've seen, there's been very, very little communication between them, which is why the relationship is going to the shitter. Skylar hasn't tried or wanted to understand Walt's point of view (mainly because she expects nothing bu bullshit to come out of his mouth) or talk discuss with him exactly what's going on, what's the most logical course of action, and why him leaving the the house would make since. Walt hasn't discussed with Skylar how this is affecting their family and how his actions are making her feel, how his drug business might affect Jr. and the baby going forward. Any form of communication that has occurred has resulted in yelling, name calling, insults or passive aggressiveness.
I will say that it's tough to see Skylar as a victim since she made the conscience decision to get in the drug business by participating in the laundering of Walt's drug money. She made this decision with the thought that it would be a temporary situation that would pass once Walt was done with meth cooking, which he assured Skylar he would as soon as he could. So Walt lied and screwed her over simply for his own ego growth. But it still was a idiotic desicion if she wasn't willing to live and be partners with a drug dealer.
Walt has grown into a huge dick and simply brushes aside everybody else's feelings. He feels like he's been a victim his whole life and now he wants to take charge and do things his way without taking shit from anyone. This attitude stems from his extreme bitterness and horribly inflated ego. The last few episodes he has been acting like a complete ass. I could write several paragraphs on that alone.
Bottom line is, Skylar needs to take care of shit. Instead of smoking in front of Walt, giving him dirty looks ect, she needs to stand the fuck up and tell Walt he needs to move out of the house and back into his condo and that they're getting a divorce - and if he disagrees, she's going to the police, period.
I will say that it's tough to see Skylar as a victim since she made the conscience decision to get in the drug business by participating in the laundering of Walt's drug money. She made this decision with the thought that it would be a temporary situation that would pass once Walt was done with meth cooking, which he assured Skylar he would as soon as he could. So Walt lied and screwed her over simply for his own ego growth. But it still was a idiotic desicion if she wasn't willing to live and be partners with a drug dealer.
Walt has grown into a huge dick and simply brushes aside everybody else's feelings. He feels like he's been a victim his whole life and now he wants to take charge and do things his way without taking shit from anyone. This attitude stems from his extreme bitterness and horribly inflated ego. The last few episodes he has been acting like a complete ass. I could write several paragraphs on that alone.
Bottom line is, Skylar needs to take care of shit. Instead of smoking in front of Walt, giving him dirty looks ect, she needs to stand the fuck up and tell Walt he needs to move out of the house and back into his condo and that they're getting a divorce - and if he disagrees, she's going to the police, period.
He was the catalyst that made it all happen, without him, none of it would have happened on its own.
Even Walter knows it.
Not exactly.
I am almost always at least partially serious. However, in threads like this, I often deliberately word my posts in such a way that it's unclear whether I am trolling or not.
In political threads, or threads where I really care about the argument at stake, I am 100% serious.
My thoughts on the plane crash are that it's not actually meant to be shown as "hey Walt, this is all your fault, look what you did," but rather it's just a very exaggerated and writerly way to argue that living a violent life has severe consequences for those around you.
Discotheque
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Wasn't a fan of this episode aside from the ending. Just felt like another "magnet" episode where Jesse interrupts the two bickering adults with his idea.
Dat ending though. Landry Clarke loves to murder people.
Dat ending though. Landry Clarke loves to murder people.
My initial problem with Skyler in Season 3, before the I.F.T. moment, was that she instantly turned on Walt without giving him even a single chance to explain himself. And at that point he really was just a regular guy who had made a rash decision thinking he'd be dead inside of a year and had ended up way over his head. Skyler wouldn't even listen to him.
I know that writers can rarely show how every conversation would realistically play out (hence why people never say goodbye at the end of phone calls), but the first half of Season 3 made Skyler EXTREMELY unlikable, and at that point Walt was still a pretty damn likable guy.
Then I.F.T. happened, and I hated her in a way I haven't hated a character since Anna Lucia on Lost. And it's a complete coincidence that both of those characters are women.
Here is the original I.F.T. scene. How anyone could watch that and side with Skyler over Walt, at that point in the show, is beyond me. You'd have to be trolling at a level far beyond anything I've ever done in this thread. Just look at the way she delivers that line. She's calculating it for maximum damage. This to a man who still, at that point, genuinely loves her and the family.
You can argue that I.F.T. is the moment where the old Walt began to die, and the seeds of Heisenberg really began to take root.
At this point I do genuinely sympathize with her to some degree, but if she really hates Walt that much, she can leave. She has the power to put him in jail for 20 years, possibly life. Instead of passively-aggressively smoking her cigarettes to try to get his cancer out of remission, she could take the ball into her court. But she doesn't, instead choosing to resort to weak tactics like her fake pool suicide, and it makes her a much less compelling character, IMO.
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I.F.T. wasn't the moment Heisenberg began to grow, you have it all wrong, ALLL WRONG.
This is very weird, this is "the first innocent dead on Walt's account"? I see this as one of the few deaths where Walt wasn't involved in.
I despise Walt as the next guy, but how can you blame this on him? Todd pulled the trigger and Jesse and Mike instructed him that he had to do this and that, if anything, this is the first one that Walt had little or nothing to do with.
I despise Walt as the next guy, but how can you blame this on him? Todd pulled the trigger and Jesse and Mike instructed him that he had to do this and that, if anything, this is the first one that Walt had little or nothing to do with.
So the plane crash was the most ridiculous/dumb moments in the show's history. Might as well have been the roof pizza going moldy, a bird picking up a piece, dropping it on a playground, dumb little kid eats it and gets sick, kid infects whole school. WHOLE SCHOOL OF KIDS DIE!
Walt should have stopped the syphoning earlier
Stopping the syphoning a few seconds earliers would've prevented what?
RobotNinjaHornets
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This post makes me sad for the current state of society.
I will admit that that's partially because of the usage of emo but still.
Also fuck you Todd >:C
Meh, breaking down doesn't solve issues. If anything it exacerbates them or just delays finding a rational solution.
Cornballer
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GitarooMan
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The whole point of the entire show is to see the cascading consequences of Walt's decision to "break bad." This was another consequence. Maybe he's not directly involved (although he was like "Are you sure you understand?" when they were talking to Todd about no one knowing about the robbery), but that's missing the forest for the trees.
Cornballer
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No i get the point of the show, but that doesn't mean every bad thing happening is a direct domino effect of Walt's decisions.
Todd holds his part of responsibility, Jesse and Mike too, Just because the show is about Walt breaking bad, doesn't mean everything showed must be connected through him directly.
If you mean on a more metaphoric level then i agree, Walt is a cancerous cell that managed to infect everyone around him (Skylar, Jesse etc) but still, he was only very remotely responsible for this, not more than Jesse and Hank, and of course, Todd himself.
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GitarooMan
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No I agree, other people certainly are more responsible, I was just noting the show really centers on Walt and how his decisions continue to put him in situations where awful things happen. What fascinating about the show is Walt's continued mental gymnastics to convince himself that he is still a good guy (Jesse holds no such illusions about himself). I wonder when Walt will realize what he's become (maybe that's what the whole show is leading up to).
Steelyuhas
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Oh shit, I love Heat, but I didn't see that reference.
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