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Republican Senate Nominee: Victims Of ‘Legitimate Rape’ Don’t Get Pregnant

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Retro said:
"I raped you, now you must have my child" is sickening enough, but the thought that sprung to mind immediately after was even worse; "I raped you, now you must have my child and I demand visitation rights."
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If you think about it, it's not that different from how women were treated for centuries in their own households. Spousal/marital rape wasn't considered a thing until recently. They probably long for those days back.
 
Retro said:
"I raped you, now you must have my child" is sickening enough, but the thought that sprung to mind immediately after was even worse; "I raped you, now you must have my child and I demand visitation rights."
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Well, the law in the Old Testament is even better:
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 said:
"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives"
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Mr_Zombie said:
Well, the law in the Old Testament is even better:
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You think that's bad? Deuteronomy 22

“Suppose a man meets a young woman, a virgin who is engaged to be married, and he has sexual intercourse with her. If this happens within a town, you must take both of them to the gates of that town and stone them to death. The woman is guilty because she did not scream for help. The man must die because he violated another man’s wife. In this way, you will purge this evil from among you.

“But if the man meets the engaged woman out in the country, and he rapes her, then only the man must die. Do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no crime worthy of death. She is as innocent as a murder victim. Since the man raped her out in the country, it must be assumed that she screamed, but there was no one to rescue her.
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If you get raped in a town it's your own fault because obviously someone should have heard the screaming.
 
Assyrians win though. They always win. They have that ^ and:

If a man has taken and raped another man&#8217;s virgin daughter, dishonoring her (she was living in her father&#8217;s house, was not engaged, and her hymen had not been penetrated&#8212;since she had not been married), and no one had a claim on the father&#8217;s house, the father is to take the rapist&#8217;s wife and allow her to be raped, and keep her, not returning her to her husband. It does not matter if the (original) rape was in the city, the open country, at night in the street, in a granary, or at a city festival. The father may give his raped daughter to her rapist. If the rapist has no wife, his to give &#8216;the third&#8217; in silver (the virgin-price) to her father. Then her rapist is to marry her, and will not be allowed to divorce her. If the father does not approve <of the marriage> he is to be given &#8216;the third&#8217; in silver for her virginity, and give her to whomever he wants.
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Huckabee to Akin: 'Horrible' rapes created some extraordinary people

The former Arkansas governor and onetime GOP presidential contender suggested a couple of cases in which he suggested that rapes, though “horrible tragedies,” had produced admirable human beings.

“Ethel Waters, for example, was the result of a forcible rape,” Huckabee said of the late American gospel singer. One-time presidential candidate Huckabee added: “I used to work for James Robison back in the 1970s, he leads a large Christian organization. He, himself, was the result of a forcible rape. And so I know it happens, and yet even from those horrible, horrible tragedies of rape, which are inexcusable and indefensible, life has come and sometimes, you know, those people are able to do extraordinary things.”
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Ok then.
 
Funky Papa said:
Huckabee to Akin: 'Horrible' rapes created some extraordinary people
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Well, shit, since forcible rape produces so many great and talented individuals we should actively encourage it, thus creating a new breed of American Supermen. We can just get rid of public education and indoctrinating colleges and universities, because obviously the road to a brilliant future is through an unwilling woman's vagina.

The fact that we're even having this thread in this day and age has probably shaken my faith in humanity harder than anything since Bush's election.
 
Devolution said:
These people make and shape policy for this country. Just let that sink in a moment.
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"Even if Akin hangs on to win, [it] means GOP will be stuck with a moron in Senate who will embarrass party for 6 years," the Washington Examiner's Philip Klein tweets
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Morons like Akin have been in the GOP for years, never embarrassed them before
 
Devolution said:
These people make and shape policy for this country. Just let that sink in a moment.
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Right..? Its terrifying. These people are fucking idiots, as are the rest of the people that put them in office that share the same views. My lord.

&#8220;Ethel Waters, for example, was the result of a forcible rape,&#8221; Huckabee said of the late American gospel singer. One-time presidential candidate Huckabee added: &#8220;I used to work for James Robison back in the 1970s, he leads a large Christian organization. He, himself, was the result of a forcible rape. And so I know it happens, and yet even from those horrible, horrible tragedies of rape, which are inexcusable and indefensible, life has come and sometimes, you know, those people are able to do extraordinary things.&#8221;
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I mean... just.

Mercury Fred said:
All right then, men. You heard him, get raping! You never know what kind of genius you might make!
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Its like they can't just accept that Akin fucked up, and move on. They always have to spin it in some way to where it looks positive. No, you can't spin Rape. I think its the 1 thing that is unspinnable. They are so terrified of admitting truth, its sickening.
 
Mitt Romney's 2008 website touting a certain someone's endorsement of him and his abortion stance

"Unlike other candidates who only speak to the importance of confronting the major social issues of the day, Governor Romney has a record of action in defending life. Every decision he made as Governor was on the side of life. I know he will be the strong pro-life President we need in the White House," said Dr. [John] Willke. "Governor Romney is the only candidate who can lead our pro-life and pro-family conservative movement to victory in 2008."
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Who is this Dr. Willke fellow?

Author of a 1999 essay titled: Rape Pregnancies are Rare

The opening paragraph may sound familiar as well:

First, let's define the term "rape." When pro-lifers speak of rape pregnancies, we should commonly use the phrase "forcible rape" or "assault rape," for that specifies what we're talking about
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I had never heard of rape being described as legitimate, or forcible prior to the release of this story. This shit is woefully demented.
 
New statement released.

As a politician, I often find myself in situations where, unfortunately, I express a certain thought or idea poorly, or find my words taken out of context. Indeed, that is what happened this weekend. Upon reviewing the impromptu remarks I made Sunday afternoon, I can now see that I used the wrong words in the wrong way. I would now like to set the record straight with the American people and clear up some confusion about what it was I intended to convey.

You see, what I said was, “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.” But what I meant to say was, “I am a worthless, moronic sack of shit and an utterly irredeemable human being who needs to shut up and go away forever.”

It is clear to me now that I did not choose my words with care and did not get across the point I was trying to convey. In hindsight, I guess instead of using the words “legitimate rape,” I should have used the words “I am an unforgivable, unrepentant, and unconscionable subhuman dickhead.” Or better yet, “I am an evil, fucked-up man who should never have been elected to the United States Congress, and anyone who would vote for me is probably a pretty big fucking dumbshit, too.” See how much more sense that makes? It’s amazing how a few key word changes can totally alter the meaning of a statement.

Because, of course, it’s all about context. And yes, when you take what I said out of context, I can see how it might sound like I’m denying that women can be impregnated via rape. This is, I assure you, not what I was trying to express at all. Such is the age we live in that one little sentence excerpted in a news report can come back to haunt a person in a pretty big hurry. But if you actually go back and look at the remarks closely, you’ll see that what I was actually trying to convey in my statement was that

(1) I am a big fucking idiot,

(2) I am a nauseating slug of a human being who doesn’t deserve to live, and

(3) I am essentially everything that’s wrong with this country and with humanity in general.

Honestly, that’s all I was trying to get across there. It was a simple misunderstanding, really.

It’s funny, because, in my head, I remember thinking very vividly, “I, Rep. Todd Akin, am a bigoted jackass who probably should not be alive, let alone in political office. People need to know what a terrible person I am so they will then remember to punch me in the face anytime they get the chance.” But when I opened my mouth and tried to articulate that thought, somehow I blurted out the thing about rape instead of just saying, in plain English, that I am awful, just purely and incontrovertibly awful.

Frankly, it’s hard not to make a mistake from time to time when you’re in the public eye as much as I am. I am constantly having to speak my mind in a public forum, and sometimes, when all I’m trying to say is something simple and inarguable, like, “Sweet Jesus, I am the worst person who has ever lived,” I wind up saying something completely different. It’s frustrating, really. Because I have a lot of very pertinent and very well-thought out things to say about how somebody should just smack me in the head with a goddamned cricket bat because of how brainless and insensitive I am, but instead my words just come out all jumbled.

I guess I just have a habit of putting my foot in my mouth! And for being the very worst that Western Civilization has to offer!

So let me take this opportunity to be very specific about what I meant Sunday, which was this: I am not a competent or respectable politician; I am, essentially, a subhuman monster of a prick, a prick as profoundly insensitive as he is monumentally unintelligent in every respect; somebody should apply dozens of layers of duct tape to my mouth every morning so that words are not able to exit my large, dumb, misogynist, imbecilic mouth at any point; I make the planet worse; I don’t know jack shit about any of the topics I spoke about in that interview, or about any topics at all, really; I should apologize every day to the women of the world, but doing so would most likely be an exercise in futility given my rock-bottom intellect and my complete and utter lack of human decency; I am, in no uncertain terms, not even worth the time it took you to read this.
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JCreasy said:
Personhood: "Could a rapist who impregnated a victim sue that victim if she decided not to carry that baby and to have an abortion?&#8221;

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...7e37e04-eafe-11e1-9ddc-340d5efb1e9c_blog.html
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Mr_Zombie said:
Well, the law in the Old Testament is even better:
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Jackpot said:
You think that's bad? Deuteronomy 22



If you get raped in a town it's your own fault because obviously someone should have heard the screaming.
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Devolution said:
Assyrians win though. They always win. They have that ^ and:
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Funky Papa said:
Huckabee to Akin: 'Horrible' rapes created some extraordinary people


Ok then.
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As it was written so shall it be. A land for the chauvinists shaped by chauvinists. Women were and it seems still are chattels of men. Separation of Church and State be be damned.

I don't know if it is the politicians or the people who let them remain in power anger me more. If the age of internet has proven one thing is that while we've become more aware of our political system than ever before, we have also grown to be much more complacent and apathetic.

The sadist in me wants to see that bill go through. It's absurd and outrageous claims of a person comes to existence at the moment of conception makes me wonder how far people are willing to let politics like this fly.

Perhaps next they will pass the bill to:
  • Prohibit the sale of morning after pill to repeat customers (yea, gotcha now, promiscuous whore) citing it as a violation against inception of life
  • Scrutinize events leading to a miscarriage with the implications of bringing criminal charges against perceived negligence
  • Curfew for women
  • Lower wages for women than men for the same position (oh wait, they're doing that already)
  • Find mitigating circumstances in favour of rapists included but not limited to the provocative nature of clothing, acts, gestures by the alleged victim

Perhaps people who these politicians in power directly or indirectly deserve to suffer and hit the lowest of lows before being shaken out of apathy to the extent that actual changes can be attained.
 
Funky Papa said:
Huckabee to Akin: 'Horrible' rapes created some extraordinary people
The former Arkansas governor and onetime GOP presidential contender suggested a couple of cases in which he suggested that rapes, though “horrible tragedies,” had produced admirable human beings.

“Ethel Waters, for example, was the result of a forcible rape,” Huckabee said of the late American gospel singer. One-time presidential candidate Huckabee added: “I used to work for James Robison back in the 1970s, he leads a large Christian organization. He, himself, was the result of a forcible rape. And so I know it happens, and yet even from those horrible, horrible tragedies of rape, which are inexcusable and indefensible, life has come and sometimes, you know, those people are able to do extraordinary things.”
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Ok then.
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He's not wrong though about the birth. Kids could do amazing things regardless of how they were conceived. However his evidence that a child could do extraordinary things should still not remove the rights of a woman. Especially if they were raped.

I'm personally a proponent of adoption, but I will never be one to vote to take that right away.

Just to be absolutely clear, I'm for abortion despite my preferences against it.
 
RiccochetJ said:
He's not wrong though about the birth. Kids could do amazing things regardless of how they were conceived. However his evidence that a child could do extraordinary things should still not remove the rights of a woman. Especially if they were raped.

I'm personally a proponent of adoption, but I will never be one to vote to take that right away.

Just to be absolutely clear, I'm for abortion despite my preferences against it.
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Yea, it's like favouring distant probability against current reality.
 
I just had an interesting discussion with my mom and dad about the word "legitimate" (because of what Gabrielle Union recently said).

Gabrielle Union was on MSNBC or something and was commenting over the whole Akin thing. She said that she had been raped before was pissed off. Then she said "ALL rape is legitimate rape".

My mom and dad said she made a huge blunder when she misspoke like that.

I was confused. "Misspoke? How did she misspeak?"

My dad goes, "She said that all rape is legitimate rape. We know she doesn't mean that, but she made a mistake."

Huh? I broke out the dictionaries after we went in circles about what she meant and I was unaware of how heavily people associate the word "legitimate" with "legal" or "legally acceptable." As in "all rape is legal or legally acceptable."

I've always used the word legitimate to mean "real" or "genuine"....as in all rape is real. (meaning that there is nothing that distinguishes one rape from another)

Now they got what I meant and now I got what THEY meant.

EDIT: This doesn't excuse Akin, though. There's no reason to qualify a kind or degree of rape (because rape is rape) and the fact that he used the word legitimate (in whatever context) meant that he was making a distinction between one rape and another.
 
I don't get why so many people think Huckabee's statement is bad? He says a bunch of incredible people were born from rape; I'm sure there were along with a bunch of crappy people and even more regular people.
 
SyNapSe said:
I don't get why so many people think Huckabee's statement is bad? He says a bunch of incredible people were born from rape; I'm sure there were along with a bunch of crappy people and even more regular people.
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Why does he need to mention this exactly? You need to think about the intent, not the statement.
 
Devolution said:
These people make and shape policy for this country. Just let that sink in a moment.
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Beyond the anger that this brings, it just makes me sad. Sad that such horrible people are in positions of power, that our media shelters them, and that they have a huge voter base.

What a sad, disgusting state of affairs. On the plus side, a lot of their voter base is old and are will be dying soon.
 
Devolution said:
Why does he need to mention this exactly? You need to think about the intent, not the statement.
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Exactly.

Instead of pushing agendas or running damage control to your ideology all he had to say was, "That was a terrible thing to say." and leave it at that.
 
ronito said:
Exactly.

Instead of pushing agendas or running damage control to your ideology all he had to say was, "That was a terrible thing to say." and leave it at that.
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Also I truly love how people speak like that for others. Why don't we talk to their mothers about the whole ordeal or the fact that those people probably went through a bunch of trauma upon learning just how they were brought into the world.
 
SyNapSe said:
I don't get why so many people think Huckabee's statement is bad? He says a bunch of incredible people were born from rape; I'm sure there were along with a bunch of crappy people and even more regular people.
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They are going beyond rationalizing banning abortion even in cases of rape and actually implying that rape can be a good thing. Rape is great . . . it produces good people.

Yeah . . . that's what women really need. People rationalizing rape as a good thing and banning the victim from having an abortion. That sets up a great incentive system doesn't it.

So you are a loser stalker with a crap life. But if you can rape that movie star you obsess about, she'll be forced to carry that pregnancy to term. You'll be immortalized with a child from that movie star. Sound good, creeper?
 
No wonder republicans are freaked out: not only do many agree with Akin's basic argument (including Paul Ryan), this has forced a national conversation on it/exposed it to daylight.
 
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