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I didn't find it all that amazing when I read it. I just feel the story concept would have occurred anyway along with the almost post modern take on Super Heroes (Garth Ennis would have still developed his work in the same way even without The Watchmen). I'm not saying it's bad just that it's not all its cracked up to be.

The worst (and this isn't Moores fault in anyway just like it isn't Frank Miller's) is how it led to the whole oh I'm not reading a comic, it's a graphic novel elitism that started to spring up by people embarrassed to admit they read comics.

I also can't stand the whole Moore isn't doing this therefore it's "evil." I mean someone else writing with someone's character and setup is so common in the comic industry and all creative industries. Makes me wonder what the reaction will be if the Nolan Batman series continues.

I disagree with you about Watchmen as it is both a great story and a masterful use of the medium. But i agree 100% about 'graphic novels', I hate the term, it's so snobby. Got words and pictures and little balloons? It's a fucking comic, get over yourself. I will literally berate my friends for using the term, it sounds so pathetic. Watchmen is as much of a comic as Peanuts as Fun Home as Youngblood. It's a medium.

Also, I don't think people see BW as 'evil' so much as trite and unnecessary. It's like doing a prequel to Citizen Kane, a film where all you need to know about the character's past is in the text itself. There is nothing about Watchmen that needs prequelising. It is its own prequel.
 
Because now we know she is still heterossexual in the reboot. :(

I thought that was spelled out clearly in the Batwoman crossover. Whatever fans or certain writers think or want to see happen, DC has always seen Wondy as hetero and that shows no sign of changing.
 
Hey Manos since you are getting back into X comics, has anyone recommended Uncanny X-force by Remender ? Also the current Daredevil by Waid is pretty great. Two trade volumes are out for that if I am not mistaken.
 
I thought that was spelled out clearly in the Batwoman crossover. Whatever fans or certain writers think or want to see happen, DC has always seen Wondy as hetero and that shows no sign of changing.

Really? I missed any talk about her sexuality in BW, she was just stomping Seth Fisher monsters from all I could tell. Was there a panel where she's like "By Zeus's gonads, I love me some dick n balls"?
 
I'm all for things that soften the blow for my nerdy hobbies. Walking Dead and the Batman movies have done a lot to bring in comic noobs which helps new books to be produced.
I don't, I read comics because I like comics. The movies and the whole "graphic novel" angle are totally different. Movies, tv shows, and radio adaptions from long ago have had the same goal in mind, but did not need to denigrate their original form.


If it was just 1 monthly book "Before Watchmen" then I'd be a lot more ok with it and probably would have checked it out. The fact that there's so many, most of which seem to be dogshit in quality, is what bothers me. Like a half assed attempt at milking the most dedicated fans of the original series.
And it's different how from everything done with every other series?

I disagree with you about Watchmen as it is both a great story and a masterful use of the medium.
I know it's not a popular opinion, but perhaps it's irrelevant to other comments I made or at least a more interesting line of conversation.


But i agree 100% about 'graphic novels', I hate the term, it's so snobby. Got words and pictures and little balloons? It's a fucking comic, get over yourself. I will literally berate my friends for using the term, it sounds so pathetic. Watchmen is as much of a comic as Peanuts as Fun Home as Youngblood. It's a medium.[/quote]
I agree completely, it was a term used as marketing no doubt, but adopted by legions of self loathing comic book readers and "trendy hipsters."

Also, I don't think people see BW as 'evil' so much as trite and unnecessary. It's like doing a prequel to Citizen Kane, a film where all you need to know about the character's past is in the text itself. There is nothing about Watchmen that needs prequelising. It is its own prequel.
But the entire comic industry has always thrived on trite and unnecessary extensions of comics, I also think that if there wasn't a demand for it by the market, it would have happened. I also use the term evil as sort of a humorous exaggeration as the way some have viewed it (though I wouldn't be shocked if the term evil was used by someone).


Hey Manos since you are getting back into X comics, has anyone recommended Uncanny X-force by Remender ? Also the current Daredevil by Waid is pretty great. Two trade volumes are out for that if I am not mistaken.

No, they haven't. I'll take a look at them.


Because now we know she is still heterossexual in the reboot. :(
LOL

Hardcore Lois/ Clark fans who hated the reboot. There is also the sound argument that casting WW as love interest to the other big two could diminish her own stories. WW as a character has struggled to carve out on individual identity. Anyway I am not a big Supes or Wondy fan so blah.

In all likelihood it's a stunt that might last 12-18 months and if I had to do it I would do Batman/WW because of precedence in the last DCU.
Ah I see.
 
Hardcore Lois/ Clark fans who hated the reboot. There is also the sound argument that casting WW as love interest to the other big two could diminish her own stories. WW as a character has struggled to carve out on individual identity. Anyway I am not a big Supes or Wondy fan so blah.

In all likelihood it's a stunt that might last 12-18 months and if I had to do it I would do Batman/WW because of precedence in the last DCU.

I feel so stupid right now for not previously seeing

Lois and Clark/Louis and Clark.
 
Really? I missed any talk about her sexuality in BW, she was just stomping Seth Fisher monsters from all I could tell. Was there a panel where she's like "By Zeus's gonads, I love me some dick n balls"?

There was line in the preview I saw about her being a sister of Sappho is a myth or something. That what i remember anyway.
 
I don't, I read comics because I like comics. The movies and the whole "graphic novel" angle are totally different. Movies, tv shows, and radio adaptions from long ago have had the same goal in mind, but did not need to denigrate their original form.

I like comics too and I would like even more comics to choose from. If that means bringing in new customers by making it more socially acceptable than so be it. Very few of the people in the industry live a glamorous lifestyle so I'm happy to see more money being tossed their way.

And it's different how from everything done with every other series?

I don't recall many miniseries getting revived decades later with 7 new miniseries. Instead of trying to make an acclaimed addition to the story they decided to vomit out a bunch of comics varying in quality from dogshit to average.
 
I like comics too and I would like even more comics to choose from. If that means bringing in new customers by making it more socially acceptable than so be it. Very few of the people in the industry live a glamorous lifestyle so I'm happy to see more money being tossed their way.
The people who only read "socially acceptable" graphic novels barely contribute to the industry at large and most writers. They are not going to lead to many new comics being produced.

Also it goes back to the fact that if you need social acceptance for your hobby (and that's beyond being able to talk about it with friends who enjoy and follow it, I mean that's fun), then you need to come to terms that you like something most have no interest in and just enjoy things.


I don't recall many miniseries getting revived decades later with 7 new miniseries. Instead of trying to make an acclaimed addition to the story they decided to vomit out a bunch of comics varying in quality from dogshit to average.

So? They own the rights and the characters, the market wanted it, so they delivered. It's more the idea that the story is so sacred that no one can touch it unless it's Alan Moore is what really annoys the shit out of me. How dare his comic and characters is worked on by others!
 
so they rebooted the entire DC universe, just so Superman could get with Wonder Woman?




....mutiny.
10 gold to the man who brings me Geoff Johns on a pike.
 
The people who only read "socially acceptable" graphic novels barely contribute to the industry at large and most writers. They are not going to lead to many new comics being produced.

Also it goes back to the fact that if you need social acceptance for your hobby (and that's beyond being able to talk about it with friends who enjoy and follow it, I mean that's fun), then you need to come to terms that you like something most have no interest in and just enjoy things.

Some of those people might walk into the comic shop and buy books that look interesting. It doesn't negatively effect us in any way.

But it's not their hobby at that point. Graphic novels, movies, or tv shows might give motivation to people who previously had a negative opinion about comics. I'm sure a lot of those people are trendy hipsters... you just shouldn't let them bother you. Hipsters have an impact on every hobby.


So? They own the rights and the characters, the market wanted it, so they delivered. It's more the idea that the story is so sacred that no one can touch it unless it's Alan Moore is what really annoys the shit out of me. How dare his comic and characters is worked on by others!

I can't imagine the market would rather have 7 misguided miniseries than 1 of high quality. It may not be sacred but I feel it's good enough to warrant a better effort than dumping out a bunch of irrelevant stories. Just don't like seeing bad comics getting undeserved attention. A 12 issue prequel would have been an instant buy for me as long as some effort went into it. I'd even go as far as guessing it would have sold better in the long run when the trade dropped.
 
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You and Satch planned this didn't you?
Which one of you is Mephisto and which one of you is Dr. Faust?

hehe. Nothing is forever, and I'm sure Clark will find Lois down the road. It's cool to be able to explore new things in the mean time.
 
Well, that was a SHARP change in powers! After Parker got his powers, the very first thing he did was see how he could benefit himself, and started wrestling and performing on TV. When thugs go by with stolen money, hey not my problem. Me me me. Until Uncle Ben is killed anyway.

And Alpha doesn't have an Uncle Ben, unless you count Spidey. Great power, no responsibility.

He's either going in for a fall, or Spidey will die ala Uncle Ben and Alpha takes over.

Somebody fuckin' dyin, is what I'm sayin'
 
Another thing - that was a SHARP change in attitude.

Makes sense though, dude went from no one even knowing he existed to being famous and getting everything he could ever want in 3 seconds. Not all that surprising it went to his head. I predict clones and a heroic sacrifice in his future.
 
Yo, that Punisher 14
spidey-swing
was great. What a ruthless issue.
 
Steve is dead already in the new DCU. They did hint and talk about their previous relationship though. She could still be Bi if that would make everyone happy.

I don't think so, he's in JL Dark and pops up in JL as well, both of those books are 'present day' (the biggest mistake DC made was setting a couple of books in the past, so much confusion). Unless, did he die recently?
 
Makes sense though, dude went from no one even knowing he existed to being famous and getting everything he could ever want in 3 seconds. Not all that surprising it went to his head. I predict clones and a heroic sacrifice in his future.

Jackal's fucking involved. It's gonna be another fucking Clone Saga retread, because we haven't had enough of those. Fuck the fucking Jackal.

Also, it somewhat irks me that amidst all that Marvel Now! hullabaloo, there have been no Spider-Man announcement. I really want Dan Slott off that book pronto. Anyone would be a better writer. Check those fucking back-ups. They're gud.
 
Jackal's fucking involved. It's gonna be another fucking Clone Saga retread, because we haven't had enough of those. Fuck the fucking Jackal.

Also, it somewhat irks me that amidst all that Marvel Now! hullabaloo, there have been no Spider-Man announcement. I really want Dan Slott off that book pronto. Anyone would be a better writer. Check those fucking back-ups. They're gud.

Ooooh so much hate. I just remembered that this is the guy that copied his spider-sense so maybe he just copies the power, that seems to be what he wants. I seriously doubt Slott drags us back to the clone saga.
 
Scalped 60

Goddamn. Seriously. Such a great ending. Red Crow and Dash are in the top 20 comic book characters of all time.

Good night sweet prince
 
Slott shouldn't go anywhere, the book's the best it's been in years. Post-BND the quality swung so wildly and there were lots of lows.
 
#698-700 won't be a retread. Slott said this is something that he can't believe no one has done with Spidey before. The Jackal will be involved somehow because he said that all of the stories have been building up to what happens in 700.

They're not going to kill Peter Parker. Bendis JUST did that last year. I have faith this will be fun and shocking. I just don't want MJ to die.
 
Slott shouldn't go anywhere, the book's the best it's been in years. Post-BND the quality swung so wildly and there were lots of lows.

Calling it: Spidey will have to kill Alpha.

Also, pointing out that the character you have created is a new Poochie isn't cute. It means you have created a new fucking Poochie. The only thing that means is you're a fucking hack.
 
Calling it: Spidey will have to kill Alpha.

Also, pointing out that the character you have created is a new Poochie isn't cute. It means you have created a new fucking Poochie. The only thing that means is you're a fucking hack.

If he's still a Poochie by the end of the arc you have a point, but really how would you react when you found out that you got zapped with almost limitless powers? Heck even Peter's first instinct was to go straight for the money.

As for how Alpha ends I still say it's going to be some kind of heroic sacrifice, like he gives up his powers to save the world or something. He's already shown he's got the right stuff in him when he got his powers, it'd be a nice symmetry.
 
Captain America and Namor? That's kind of funny in the AvX context.

Doesn't seem like too many must buys this week at first glance at the Comixology page. Though Deadpool looks like he's going to kill the Punisher which is amusing thinking back to the Punisher vs mini series....wait new Ultimate Comics Ultimate... FUCK YEAH!

Is current Wolverine any good?
 
My knowledge of comics is truthfully rather poor (in a sense one of the bigger barriers to reading comics when Superheroes have 5 different imprints), so I need some more info as I have no idea who that is.....googles HOLY FUCK THE GUY WROTE COMMANDO!

Apparently he hasn't been very good in years, which to me is surprising since he also wrote The Long Halloween.
 
I have Incredible issues 75-99, is that a good place to start or should I get the earlier issues too?
You mean Invincible? I would start at the beginning, that's when it was best. First 25 issues were the best it ever was (and I don't think it'll ever be that good again).
 
I enjoyed some of his older stuff like Spider-Man Blue and Batman Hush, but his worst work (Ultimatum) is insanely bad.
 
Apparently he hasn't been very good in years, which to me is surprising since he also wrote The Long Halloween.

Commando is faaaaaaaaaaaaaar and away the best thing Jeph Loeb has written

avoid, avoid, avoid all of his comics

Jeph Loeb aka, the man that twists and destroys my dreams.

Commando is faaaaaaaaaaaaaar and away the best thing Jeph Loeb has written

avoid, avoid, avoid all of his comics

Duly noted. Truthfully he did an early draft of the story. Just seeing Commando made me start acting stupid.

Screenwriter Jeph Loeb states that the film was originally conceived as a vehicle for Gene Simmons (who passed on it), and later scripted with Nick Nolte in mind to play the lead as an out-of-condition former commando struggling with the demands of his mission. Walter Hill was originally involved in the development process.[4]

Stephen "Street Fighter" De Souza actually wrote it*


*I actually think Street Fighter is a good movie (it works as a parody for adults and 1980s action for kids, which De Souza said was his intention)

Commando Fun Fact: The editor ,Mark Goldblatt, on Commando later directed The Punisher with Dolph. Mark's actually edited a lot of good good movies. So check out his wiki.
 
it is not the MAX universe you love but it is pretty compelling. Rucka is one of the better writers in comics

Cool, that's fine. I always loved Queen and Country...well till Big Tits (I think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leandro_Fernández_(Artist) it was him*)became the artist, it was kind of painful watching Rucka defended his revision of Kate in the letters. Some nonsense about that's how women look in Brazil (I know the guy is from Argentina). Just was really bad. Good writing though and I'm listening to Rucka No Man Land that Graphic Audio did.

*Though he worked on Punisher Max, so I can't fully hate.
 
The term graphic novel is not pretentious. It refers mostly to long-form independent comics that aren't comprised of individual issues. Comics refers to single issues or the medium as a whole. Trade paperbacks are collections of those issues. Watchmen is a trade paperback.
 
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