are you trying to say lydia and maria (to an extent) aren't hot?.....
what in the world....
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Breaking Bad - Season 5, Part 1 - Sundays on AMC
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are you trying to say lydia and maria (to an extent) aren't hot?.....
what in the world....
Not the hottest bald man on the show.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Got my boss hooked on the show he is now on season 3. Just finished watching the fly. Didn't really like it he said.
Fire him.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
:lol Everyone that starts to watch the show doesn't like it either. My buddy got him hooked too didn't like the fly. Then again my best friend seen it and loved the fly. Something is going on.
Nameless
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Loved The Fly. Walt's sleeping pill induced, regret laden monologue is one of the most important(and most telling) moments his character has had the entire series. The sense of tension from not knowing if Walt, in an incredibly vulnerable state, would confess to Jesse about Jane was amazing too. It may have been a bit of a momentum killer but in the grand scheme of things the episode serves a purpose. Bonus points for the symbolic ending.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
At least he likes the show.
I know it is. It's cool though then again some kid I was talking to a few months ago called season 4 slow and boring. Haven't spoken to him since.
The most recent post on TV Shows you've watched recently is about 'Fly', haha.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=41351777&postcount=7487
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=41351777&postcount=7487
FantasticMrFoxdie
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BB always seems to have great fan art:
The show is just coming up against the limitations of Vince Gilligan.
TrumanBurbank
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That guy is absolutely spot on.
I thought the whole 'Evil Walt' thing was just the trajectory of the show. In an interview Gilligan said he planned to have White spiral into an incredible, violent drug lord, hence the forshadowing with him and Jr. watching Scarface. I feel like point of the show is to witness the birth of evil.
I don't feel like its being 'rushed' either, the tone for Walts transformation was set at the end of season four.
I don't feel like its being 'rushed' either, the tone for Walts transformation was set at the end of season four.
Yes, clearly that was always the plan. However, it isn't very subtle or believable, and it feels cheap, hence what I said about the show coming up against the limitations of Gilligan.
The transition:
Season 1 - He doesn't really do anything wrong, unless you consider cooking meth to be wrong in and of itself.
Season 2 - He lets Jane die. Kind of a dick move, but it's understandable.
Season 3 - He has Jesse kill Gale at the end. Justifiable. Before that, he's basically the same guy. Skyler forces him out of the house without the slightest opportunity to talk things through and later fucks Ted, so we really sympathize with Walt throughout this season. Heisenberg started to grow more dominant in the I.F.T. moment, IMO. Up to that point, he had done quite well at balancing the drug business with his family life, fugue episode aside. With his wife hating him irrationally (the writers' fault) and fucking a man like Ted, Walt starts to give less of a fuck.
Season 4 - He gives Brock a shitty weekend in the hospital and sets up a situation where anyone walking by a particular door in a nursing home at a particular moment in time would probably be injured. And he tricks some old lady into doing his recon work for him. He's becoming more of a dick, but at the same time, he keeps his family safe and takes out a major kingpin. Skyler is even warm and tender with him at certain points. Things seem to be heading for a reconciliation and happy ending, until...
Season 5 - Walt is a dick to everyone and isn't bothered when a kid gets shot right in front of him. In an unrelated turn of events, Skyler treats him like he just sacrificed a baby in front of her. The subtleties their relationship had in Season 4? Gone. We're back to Season 3 black and white irrationality.
The show is still great, but Season 5 Walt doesn't really feel earned at all. I'm still fascinated because Cranston is that awesome of an actor.
NinjaTehFish
Banned
i'll just leave this here:
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I think the finale to S4 was literally "he poisoned a kid so it's ok to hate Walt and he's actually evil now".
The whole "I'm gonna turn Mr. Chips into Scarface" is nice on paper, but there's gonna be a sharp line somewhere.
Still enjoying the hell out of the ride, though.
That's why Aaron Paul said the season would get dark. And apparently it gets darker in the final two.
There wasn't much else they could do, was there. Of course it's sickining, but can't really debate their choice. They are the "bad guys" after all.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
It's incredibly sick. But I think the only one in the crew who is okay with that is Todd. Even season 5 "evil Walt" doesn't like that, even if he considers it a move that saved their asses, and can move on from it (the whistling scene).
I've never been in denial. I knew that 100% sympathetic Walt wouldn't last forever. Anyone who read a few Vince Gilligan interviews would know that going in. I just expected Walt's transformation to be handled with considerably more subtlety.
The link Aaron Paul just tweeted is brilliant. :lol
http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/reasons-why-aaron-paul-should-be-your-favorite-act
http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/reasons-why-aaron-paul-should-be-your-favorite-act
The fact you don't think it was handled with subtlety is just proof you've been in denial. Walt has done nothing inconsistent with previous characterization and everything has led to where we are now.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
It's Revenge of the Sith syndrome (but much less bad)
At some point they have to take this hero and say "I'm gonna harm kids", and it's just out of line with the whole prior rational motivation thing, but we know they have to flick the switch to "badguy" at some point... so we're allowed to root for his inevitable fall.
Did you forget the part he KILLED a fucking man in season 1?
He let Jane die. He killed the two people at the end of season 3 (half measures) and then he killed Gus and poisoned a child in season 3 (The kid could've died - walt can't control the kid's immune system, what if he couldn't have fought it?).
You Walt supporters are delusional. Walt was always an asshole from S1, its just he wasn't overtly one till S5. Which he feels he earned it now that he has killed Gus.
Trent Strong
Banned
Maybe the whole concept of turning Mr Chips into Scarface just wasn't workable in the first place. Maybe it just can't be done in a believable way. I'd like the show more at this point if Walt was a little bit more realistic and in a bit more of a moral gray area.
I feel like that's a really poor example. The contrast here is nowhere near as stark. Anakin goes from lamenting the death of his mother to slaughtering a room full of children in about 20 minutes.
Walt was doing progressively worse things, with progressively more extreme rationalization attached, all through the series. His pride and his willingness to do almost anything to achieve a goal he set his mind to was there from episode 1.
CambriaRising
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Choosing to let Jane die is not really in the same vein of evilness as killing her. She would have died either way, whether he had chosen to break in or not. He saw that nothing good would come to him or Jessie by saving her. He would have had to explain why he was there, and Jesse would have been in the mindset to kill him.
You can relate to Walt at first because sometimes it can feel like the systems in life are working against you. I can sympathize with his plight, and it is only in S5 that I can see that his greed and madness has taken him over. Crawl-Space is the end of Walter White's sanity.
I saw nothing wrong with either of those two moves. Both were absolutely necessary at the time, the second one in particular, since the alternative would have been to let Jesse die. Everything else in your post was already addressed. You may have a point about the kid's immune system, but this is the same universe as "Magnets, bitch!", so I'm willing to let that slide.
Yes, at this point, Walt "breaking bad" is the least interesting aspect of the show.
Agreed.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
You have some ridiculously high fucking standards.
Either that or you're completely insecure about your body.
You see its good writing, that makes you sympathize with his "plight" but Walt could avoid all those deaths.
S1 - could've called cops on the dude he killed. Has remorse killing him, but this is where I felt he became heisenberg. To continue with making meth and not dying with self-guilt he was already a hardened asshole and it set the tone for everything else to follow. (Good on Gilligan to get him to "kill" someone so early in the series).
S2 - Doesn't save her, has no regrets. Asshole.
S3 - Eliminates the two people for Jesse, shoots them in cold fucking blood. Gale death not withstanding.
S4 - Kills Gus, who wanted to kill him because he knew how unhinged and dangerous Walt already was (tricking jesse to kill Gale). Both men were justified to kill each other, if we are to take this angle.
S5 - After Gus, he has earned his "kingpin" status as he believes. Has Skylar and Jesse by the balls and emotionally manipulates them.
S1 - could've called cops on the dude he killed. Has remorse killing him, but this is where I felt he became heisenberg. To continue with making meth and not dying with self-guilt he was already a hardened asshole and it set the tone for everything else to follow. (Good on Gilligan to get him to "kill" someone so early in the series).
S2 - Doesn't save her, has no regrets. Asshole.
S3 - Eliminates the two people for Jesse, shoots them in cold fucking blood. Gale death not withstanding.
S4 - Kills Gus, who wanted to kill him because he knew how unhinged and dangerous Walt already was (tricking jesse to kill Gale). Both men were justified to kill each other, if we are to take this angle.
S5 - After Gus, he has earned his "kingpin" status as he believes. Has Skylar and Jesse by the balls and emotionally manipulates them.
Did it really? Walt has long been portrayed as arrogant, prideful, and foolhardy, and he wants to head an empire as a way to compensate for his failings in life - failings that he brought on himself due to the aforementioned character traits.
The writers have been largely consistent with Walt, and his progressive downfall and depravity have been conveyed
throughout the entire series and are directly linked to the man's narcissism. I don't know how people are viewing his current state as something that's come out of nowhere. Seems the natural end result of everything that came before it.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Oh dear lord....
The only people who found the "empire business" talk out of nowhere are probably the ones who think any of Walt's actions were justified.
The man has been a murdering asshole from Season 1, and the fact he didnt quit after S1 meant he wanted to go all the way down the rabbit hole into the "empire business".
S5 has no radical change in tone. He now owns the market (the cartel and Gus gone and he was behind em) of course he is gonna get cocky as hell.
The man has been a murdering asshole from Season 1, and the fact he didnt quit after S1 meant he wanted to go all the way down the rabbit hole into the "empire business".
S5 has no radical change in tone. He now owns the market (the cartel and Gus gone and he was behind em) of course he is gonna get cocky as hell.
CambriaRising
Member
It isn't.
I see it, but his state has become increasingly ridiculous. While going full Heisenberg has always been hinted at, his reasons for doing so have never been so obvious as when that bit of exposition hit. Was he doing it to support his family? Was he doing it to get some extra money, or recoup money he lost? Or was he planning his meth empire all along?
In terms of last week's episode, the size of his ego was something everyone was aware of, that didn't need to be said. That whole scene was like an info dump.
'I could have been rich Jessie, if only I'd gone into partnership with these people from 2 seasons ago who are barely mentioned now.'
It just threw the whole mystery out of alignment for me.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
The empire talk makes perfect sense.
This isn't about meth anymore. He doesn't care about the meth. He doesn't need it.
It's just a means to an end.
The meth is his penis.
He was standing in the room.
This isn't about meth anymore. He doesn't care about the meth. He doesn't need it.
It's just a means to an end.
The meth is his penis.
He was standing in the room.
He does. He's basically back to square one now, with even worse prospects since he has Mike and his boys to keep happy.
CambriaRising
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HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
That makes it okay then. Let her die. She's got a health problem and she stole from me.
We can debate whether or not it's the same "badness" as actually killing her all night, but please don't tell me he was justified in being lax in her death because she has an icky disease and stole his meth money.
Seriously, you sound like a Comic Book Fanboy that thinks it's okay for rampant death to be in comics because the ones doing the killing "are better than normal people".
CambriaRising
Member
Now you are getting it.
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