HP_Wuvcraft
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Breaking Bad - Season 5, Part 1 - Sundays on AMC
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CambriaRising
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Don't sit here and think you can judge me based on my thoughts of what a character did in his own situation on a TV show.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Too late.
But I'm glad you actually don't think drug addicts should just all die, and that stealing money is a good enough reason to be spiteful enough to let someone die.
But yeah, pretty much judging you. Not a lot you can do about that one. Sorry.
CambriaRising
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Of course not. Just the ones who steal from me.
Lighten up, don't be such a judgemental douche.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Nope, it's 4am here. The filter for my non-filter is gone.
Maybe get some rest and come back to this thread in the morning?
More expecting him to start a wholesale where he cooks and sells en masse to the out-of-state druglords.
captainnapalm
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I've just started watching this, having heard so many good things. Episode 2 and 3 of Season 1 are crazy. Basically an hour and a half long movie about getting rid of a dead body and a live one.
Genius.
Genius.
Wow, lucky you with your naive virginal eyes. I'd recommend staying out of this thread and retaining that childlike innocence of remaining spoiler free.
EVERYTHING could potentially ruin your viewing pleasure, so be careful. I wish I could experience Breaking Bad for the first time again.
EVERYTHING could potentially ruin your viewing pleasure, so be careful. I wish I could experience Breaking Bad for the first time again.
captainnapalm
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Don't worry, I won't be reading this thread.
Don't know how I missed picking up on this series, but happy because now I have five seasons to look forward to.
EdibleExplosives
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Walt knocked her on her back, she wouldn't have died if he wasn't there.
Discotheque
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I hope so too because this season he's kind of a shit character. No edge to him at all. He's practically Walt's dog the way he acts with him
Those posts were dead serious, broseph.
I admit I've played up the "She fucked Ted, dude" meme in the past for comic effect, but consider this: wouldn't Skyler be a hell of a lot more interesting if, instead of being immediately repulsed by Walt's meth dealing, and at this point basically treating him like the Antichrist, she was instead conflicted between her love for the man she married and her revulsion towards his new business?
The best Skyler moments in the entire series, IMO, were in Season 4, where we actually saw this kind of nuanced characterization. However, with Season 5, she's reverted back to being the same hollow shell of a character that she was for most of Season 3.
Anna Gunn has proven that she can pull off something a little deeper than the direction they're currently taking her character in, which makes this so frustrating.
The best Skyler moments in the entire series, IMO, were in Season 4, where we actually saw this kind of nuanced characterization. However, with Season 5, she's reverted back to being the same hollow shell of a character that she was for most of Season 3.
Anna Gunn has proven that she can pull off something a little deeper than the direction they're currently taking her character in, which makes this so frustrating.
CambriaRising
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Agreed. House arrest "UMAD? Skyler" is boring, I hate that they brought it back. Such a waste of a character.
You must be a sociopath, like me.
Junkie who stole from me, and will likely get my only friend in the world killed? Wouldn't lift a finger to save them, we have 7 billion people our lives are not precious, special, or rare.
CambriaRising
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I think walt is going to cook his meth in an other color
Put a little bit of Chili P in that shit yo. Make it all red and stuff.
Anton Sugar
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Eh, I think Skyler's been interesting since Season 2, when she took actions to find out about Walt's lies. I'm fine with the motivations behind all her actions. I love how people clean to "but she cheated on her murderous, drug-dealing, power-hungry, lie-about-whatever-I-want husband!!!"
I guess everyone is forgetting about Walt attempting and failing to get a pity fuck from the school principal.
I guess everyone is forgetting about Walt attempting and failing to get a pity fuck from the school principal.
I, too, hate it when characters develop.
EdibleExplosives
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That's deep yo.
The thing that annoys me the most is when people call it cheating, it wasn't cheating at all. Walt and her were done, they had broken up. Just because Walt was throwing a hissy fit and refusing to sign the divorce papers doesn't mean he owns her.
That is a terrible misrepresentation of my post, sir. You are being facetious.
Early Season 3 Walt was neither murderous nor power-hungry. He was, admittedly, a drug dealer, and he did lie, though only to prevent his family from learning about the business. I think people were infuriated because 1) she didn't give Walt even a moment's chance to explain himself, and 2) the guy she fucked was one of the worst people in tv history.
Extra Sauce
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That would be far less original than what they are currently doing. We don't need another typical mob wife. Besides, it's not like she married into this life willingly. She was always a conservative woman with high moral ideals, hell she has been shown to freak out at the very idea of pot smoking. Then she learns her husband is heading a crystal meth business and you expect her to not react the way she has? What show have you been watching? What you're asking would not make sense for the character that we have been presented from day one.
I thought we both were.
-Pyromaniac-
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Skyler would be far more interesting if she just you know....actually showed that she cared enough about her kids and took them and ran somewhere, or snitched to the po-pos. But I guess being complicit IS easier.
Frank the Great
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holy shit lydia is the blacksmith from a knight's tale. how did i not realize this sooner, i knew she looked familiar.
Cornballer
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This is making me want a velvet underground song in the show (that hasn't happened right?). and since we've missed out on the opportunity for jesse and jane to shoot up to "Heroin" I vote we have a 4th wall-breaking musical number where sky sings "After Hours" ironically as she goes to her room to attempt suicidei'll just leave this here:
To be fair, he didn't let her die out of spite. He let her die because there was a chance she'd blow the lid off his operation. So with that in mind, there was some rationality behind his choice. He did what had to be done.
it being in defense of his illegal drug operation currently causing turmoil in abq makes it ok?
THE-Pink-Dagger
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I just watched again episode 12 from season 2 with Jane dying and what happens is very clear and interesting from a moral standpoint.
Walt rushes at first to Jane, clearly with the intention of saving her and then he stops, and you can see on his face (brilliant acting) that thoughts are racing in his head "what do I do?", he seems hesitant "Do I save her or not?", she is clearly a threat to Walt AND Jesse as she threatened Walt of course but also she drags Jesse with her, I think it's safe to assume Jesse would have overdosed as well if he stayed any longer with her.
Finally, he makes his choice and stands idly, this is the right thing to do considering the situation, him crying immediately after just shows that he knows how difficult it is and probably that it was wrong in some way.
I just love too the scene with Jane's da before, how Walt talks of Jesse as his nephew, of course he's doing this because he's talking to a stranger, but still, he uses the word nephew, and this with so many elements coming in the following seasons, notably the scene in the crack house where Walt picks up Jesse show that (along with this amazing scene in Season 4 where Walt breaks down in front if Walt Jr and calls him Jesse) he thinks of Jesse as a son.
Of course, in Season 5, Walt is totally manipulating him but it's still worth noting, such a fascinating show from a psychological pt of view.
Walt rushes at first to Jane, clearly with the intention of saving her and then he stops, and you can see on his face (brilliant acting) that thoughts are racing in his head "what do I do?", he seems hesitant "Do I save her or not?", she is clearly a threat to Walt AND Jesse as she threatened Walt of course but also she drags Jesse with her, I think it's safe to assume Jesse would have overdosed as well if he stayed any longer with her.
Finally, he makes his choice and stands idly, this is the right thing to do considering the situation, him crying immediately after just shows that he knows how difficult it is and probably that it was wrong in some way.
I just love too the scene with Jane's da before, how Walt talks of Jesse as his nephew, of course he's doing this because he's talking to a stranger, but still, he uses the word nephew, and this with so many elements coming in the following seasons, notably the scene in the crack house where Walt picks up Jesse show that (along with this amazing scene in Season 4 where Walt breaks down in front if Walt Jr and calls him Jesse) he thinks of Jesse as a son.
Of course, in Season 5, Walt is totally manipulating him but it's still worth noting, such a fascinating show from a psychological pt of view.
Mr. Saturn
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That's the whole point, though Walt is insane enough to believe himself to be a drug kingpin even though he's cooking his own meth. Remember earlier this season Walt didn't even want to pay Mike's guys to keep quiet, which is really stupid. Walt's a guy playing at being at a kingpin.
As for the whole empire line from Walt, there's nothing inconsistent there with the rest of the show. Walt's always been an arrogant asshole, just look at the way he refused to take a job at Grey Matter, plus look at he was in charge (or at least tried to be) in season 2 when he and Jesse were cooking and Jesse's friends were selling, or how about when those meth heads robbed Skinny Pete, and Walt told Jesse to take care of it and placed a gun on the counter.
TLDR; Walt's always been an asshole who thought he was head honcho number 1 even though there's no evidence to support this at all, and so Walt's empire talk is consistent with his characterization. Just my 2 cents.
What makes it okay is that she was a manipulative, blackmailing junky who put herself in that situation. He didn't tell her to fuck her tenant, take up drugs again, or use his money to get high enough to puke in her sleep. Walt just happened to be there to watch her die. Not taking heroic measures to save someone who's out to hurt you, is pretty far from being "wrong" in my book.
The whole is based around his blinding arrogance/ego etc.
That is the only reason he got into the meth game.
Exactly. He spent the entire last season completely under Gus' thumb, while telling everybody else how completely in control he was, like with the "I am the one who knocks" speech and his speech to the other cancer patient. He's always been delusional and self-serving, and now that there isn't a Tuco or a Gus to keep him in line, he's gone completely over the edge.
Another great example of how far back it goes is Walt's reaction to the whole SaveWalterWhite.com thing. Even though the scheme was going perfectly as planned, with Saul's guy making all the proper anonymous donations, Walt ended up throwing a fit because he wasn't getting credit for all his hard work. That was back in the second season, so this is hardly a huge leap for the character.
AlimNassor
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It's perfectly realistic. This is walts true self unrestrained. For the past 4 seasons Walt has been under the boot of someone more powerful. With Gus gone, Walt is now on an power trip of epic proportions, he just killed Gustavo Fring, and now he can build an Empire. Sadly, Walt's "empire" will not last, he lacks in virtually everything, he could settle down as a drug kingpin like Tuco, but, he wants to be Gus. That won't happen because Gus spent decades building his Empire, and had tons of allies and the Cartel backing him. Walt has...??? Nobody, but, a few crackheads and a sleazy group of burglars.
Just cause you killed Gus dont make you Gus.
Imo, I don't want Walt to have a good ending. Not because he's bad, but, because he's too arrogant, and has no idea what he's doing. He has smarts, about, he isn't street smart. If he isn't killed by Mike, or arrested, he'll end up in an unmarked grave after losing control of his "empire" to a more powerful lord.
Just cause you killed Gus dont make you Gus.
Imo, I don't want Walt to have a good ending. Not because he's bad, but, because he's too arrogant, and has no idea what he's doing. He has smarts, about, he isn't street smart. If he isn't killed by Mike, or arrested, he'll end up in an unmarked grave after losing control of his "empire" to a more powerful lord.
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aztek is ok
I could see Walt trying to sell his recipe to the Arizona gang for 700 million
BobTheFork
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I don't think there is any chance of that. I'm not sure what his deal will be, but he wants the empire not the money. That fact is secondary to the fact that Walt is insanely arrogant and he prizes that recipe with all his black little heart.
triplestation
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When it gets tense Walt finds a way to get several steps ahead. Either way he is a quick thinker and master of improvisation.
I think he'd be happy if he got enough money to do a hostile takeover of Grey Matter.
Psychological Intellect
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no woman on breaking bad has been hot, jane was alright I guess.
The Horror the horror
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At first, I thought the drug game was actually turning Walt into a meglomaniac, but the fact of the matter is that he always possessed that quality but his arrogance and audacity were inhibited by his humbling career, domestic situation, and string of underachievements. During the flashback to his grad school days, when he was tutoring Gretchen Schwartz on the biological break-down of the human body, you could almost see it. He's a man who's catching up for lost time and lost opportunities, because, in his mind, he believe the most cruelest thing the world has done was to marginalize someone of his superior intellect for so long.
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