Not sure, but the great parts of Baltimore are great. I've driven through the bad parts and it looks scary...apparently that's where all of the great house parties are though...in both Chicago and Baltimore they had these blue lights on streets with high rates of violent crime. It's generally where all of the drug houses and boarded up buildings are.
19 people shot in overnight shootings across Chicago
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Not sure, but the great parts of Baltimore are great. I've driven through the bad parts and it looks scary...apparently that's where all of the great house parties are though...in both Chicago and Baltimore they had these blue lights on streets with high rates of violent crime. It's generally where all of the drug houses and boarded up buildings are.
When you live in an area with the following:
-Few oportunities for gainful employment
- Awful schools
- Police targeting black and brown people even though white people use drugs at similar rates.
- As a result of above, many young people get into the jail system early, are branded a felon, which makes it even more difficult to find a job.
It's not just "Well, I guess they like shooting each other a lot instead of being productive members of society!"
-Few oportunities for gainful employment
- Awful schools
- Police targeting black and brown people even though white people use drugs at similar rates.
- As a result of above, many young people get into the jail system early, are branded a felon, which makes it even more difficult to find a job.
It's not just "Well, I guess they like shooting each other a lot instead of being productive members of society!"
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
So, this the final solution after we put them into the ghettos, Herr Frank?
Baltimore - 138 deaths this year.
Chicago - Averaging 10 deaths a week in 2012.
Completely different games.
iceatcs
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Children won't get any.
I'm all up for a recall of guns. Don't give a shit about what anyone thinks. If you ever had a gun pointed to your head just for a few bucks then you would understand what I'm talking about. Politicians bitching about abortion are the same ones protecting tobacco and gun laws. Which in turn ruins established lives and everyone involved. What a fucking dumb shitty country we live in.
EvilDick34
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See, now this is hyperbole. You know since you live or lived here that 90 percent of the shootings happen on the south and west side. Something drastic needs to be done about this, like national guard patrolling drastic.
I live in Bucktown,but the majority of my family members are from the west and south sides. The crime is beyond awful, but anyone who takes even a bit of time to consider the circumstances can realize that it is not just "people like to shoot each other"
Evil, increased occupation will only increase tension. Police already "occupy" the south and west sides to an extent. There need to be better schools, increased job opportunities, and a scaling back and/or elimination of the drug war and/or drug war processes which disproportionately target minorities.
I recently moved I Wrigelyville and the entire vibe I get is that most of the north side is relevantly safe. Reading the tribune each morning and there is always a mentions of shootings overnight.
As yet people are condemning this entire nation because of the south/west side of Chicago.
EvilDick34
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Chicago has 5 times the amount of people living in the city versus baltimore, so it isn't different. And what is your source on 10 deaths a week? Do you mean homicides?
EvilDick34
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Karsticles
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To be fair to them, that's how it seems when you're foreign to a country. GAF does this all the time when something happens in the UK, Austria, Australia, etc.
Why are the people in gangs?
I don't think it's all bad on the South Side, but I don't think there's any reason normal people would go to those areas. I think Derrick Rose is from the West side. No good restaurants, no farmer's market, no music stores, no venues, no cool clubs, no boutiques, no decent coffee shops...I'm fine with those parts of the city existing but I'm not stopping anywhere in that region.
EDIT: Obviously the majority of people living in the West and Southside are upset too. I watched that Frontline documentary a few weeks ago called The Interrupters. Most people there are not shooting each other but it's hard to look at some of the people favorably. The parents are absent or in prison. Many of the parents in this area, even if decent people, are terrible parents. The problem is systemic and economic obviously but it's hard to imagine any decent business wanting to open up shop here when the violent crime is so high. It sucks for sure but it's sorta easy to ignore when so much of Chicago is so awesome.
maniac-kun
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Just look at the data:
Murder rate per capita
Country with strict gun laws:
Germany (80 million people):
rate: 0.8 count: 690
United States (314 million people):
rate: 4.2 count: 12996
Murder rate per capita
Country with strict gun laws:
Germany (80 million people):
rate: 0.8 count: 690
United States (314 million people):
rate: 4.2 count: 12996
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
You advocated the immolation of wide swaths of the city, Jonathon Swift.
EvilDick34
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Oh well. Im not the only one who feels that way who lives in this great city dragged down by these areas.
Exactly, GAF has one of the highest concentration of ignorant people on the net.
BTW, for you foreigners out there I live in Skokie which is one of the worst ghettos in Chicago, we get shootings daily here.
The segregation of the city is the main reason this crime thrives. I'm not talking about the racial segregation as much as the socioeconomic segregation.
Spoken like a true ignorant person. Way to prove your own point.
In terms of homicide? Chicago is ahead of Baltimore by about 100 murders not even counting the last three weeks.
Karsticles
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Hyde Park has some good places.
That's how you survive. You go to school, and group A picks on you. you can either join up with group B and get some protection, or hide.
Certainly not.
It's difficult to separate the two. As you travel from the loop to the south, you can see the skin color change as the buildings decay. I don't mean to suggest any kind of causal relationship there, mind you.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
Well, Chicago-GAF, my mom was an engineer for CoorsTek. Making SAPI plates. I can hook you up, if you need it.
DonasaurusRex
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19 fuckin people is everyday? in a 45min window? geezus latin kings vs gangsta disciples or something?
Gun violence and youth. It's always been a problem and no one does shit about it.
I don't understand this chart. Help me out here.
75% of homicides involving guns had a victim the age of 17, but 50% around the age of 60? That's 125%.
Buttermilk
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There are other factors. Utah's gun laws are not strict But they have a lot lower murder rate than Chicago.
Hari Seldon
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Gun control is nice in theory, but the majority of our crime rate is tied to the war on drugs. End that and a lot of these problems will solve themselves after a generation or two.
Grover Cleveland
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Kanye wasn't bullshitting in Murder to Excellence.
"41 souls murdered in 50 hours".
Chicago's gang violence is no joke.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
Latin Kings have been pretty decimated.
Vice Lords are still strong though.
I mean, if the FOlks vs. People thing is still big.
Spring-Loaded
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How about the burning of the West and South sides to the ground, like you said?
It has been stated many times in this thread already but Chicago's problem is segregation, both racial and economical. We are all good with drugs. It is the segregation and lack of funding for the impoverished that is killing our city. And fat neckbeard Cub fans don't give a shit.
EvilDick34
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Both of your replies here are such bullshit. You don't join a gang to survive, you join a gang because you have shitty parents who don't care what you do. And last time i checked, people are free to move anywhere in this city, there is no forced segregation.
EvilDick34
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Something needs to be done, i don't care which at this point. It is out of control what is going on in these areas.
Skokie is the suburbs.
You are hyped on Wrigleyville, one of the most segregated areas of the city...
The Power Of Snap
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It's the economy.
EvilDick34
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Again, there is no segregation. People are free to move anywhere they want. I know many different people of different races in all areas of Chicago.
It's percent of the homicide per age not of the total number of homicides across all ages.
Well, it may not be a strictly enforced thing, but the cost of rent makes it impossible for many of the people who live in the rough areas of town to afford to live in the safer areas. Rents are cheap in unsafe areas because they couldn't rent them out otherwise.
You clearly don't understand how things work. You grow up in the ghetto with shit schools violence all around you and no money. What the hell are you supposed to do? You see everyone else in a gang. People join gangs to survive. If the city wasn't so socioeconomically segregated things wouldn't be this way. It's sad but true.
Its less about race and more about socioeconomic status.
Karsticles
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I suppose this is how you got your tag, eh?
EvilDick34
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Again, how is it segregated? Who segregated it?
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
Oh, Chicago went socialist and housing is afforable everywhere now?
Htere's a reaosn where I live there are cops all over the place. It's a upper income neighborhood and it makes us feel better to see police everywhere and kleeps the crime down.
-COOLIO-
The Everyman
his answer was perfectly valid. some join for protection, some join for companionship. you cant answer a question like that in such a matter of factly way. there's no single answer.
Really? Look at this topic? Look at how many people think we're a bunch of fucking cowboys just because of a shitty area in Chicago, and it's the same in every topic where there is a shooting.
EvilDick34
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Why because you have one opinion and i have another that happens to be the truth, therefore you like many others fall back on a stupid tag that isn't even true?
Still not fully understanding this. If it's 75% at 17, what is the other 25%?
Rhomega Beta
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Wait, I was told guns were banned in Chicago. When was that repealed?
dark_chris
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It does get bad and sometimes its not even in the south side.
I live in the north side where things happen very rarely. But once these two black dudes tried to break into my home, carrying weapons, but i waved a gun at them (not loaded) and aimed it. They ran like crazy and since had the landlords install better security in the apt complex. Gun control kept my home and myself safe.
I think with the crazy violence, i think there needs to be forced control in those neighborhoods. I remember hearing about the national guard and I'd be up for it if it kept the bad guys at bay.
I live in the north side where things happen very rarely. But once these two black dudes tried to break into my home, carrying weapons, but i waved a gun at them (not loaded) and aimed it. They ran like crazy and since had the landlords install better security in the apt complex. Gun control kept my home and myself safe.
I think with the crazy violence, i think there needs to be forced control in those neighborhoods. I remember hearing about the national guard and I'd be up for it if it kept the bad guys at bay.
When you say a comment like " you are free to move wherever you want" you clearly don't understand reality. It costs money to move. You grow up in poverty in a terrible school system. You probably cant get into college. Where is the money going to come from for you to move somewhere?
You are hardly given the tools to succeed.
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