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Breaking Bad - Season 5, Part 1 - Sundays on AMC

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jonezer4 said:
That's the awesome thing about this show: everyone who watches it seems to sour on Walt at different points depending on their own moral compass. For me it was only very recently (I must be a horrible person), but I know others who have been unable to sympathize with him since S2.
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A lot of people still haven't soured on him!
 
What I think Walt's plan is (speculation based on preview/sneak peek):

The deal was to get the blue stuff off the market. Walt is going to do just that, but still keeping his share of the methylamine somehow. The bag of blue meth he brings to the scene where they meet up the buyers must have some significance. A) To confirm he's Heisenberg and B) to serve as a figurative symbol he throws on the ground saying blue meth is done. They/he will however start manufacturing a knock-off product that's the exact same, just not blue. Heisenberg showing his face to the buyers humanizes him in their eyes, and they believe his bullshit.
 
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I'll admit, I was rooting for Walt this whole time (doesn't mean I think he's a good guy), but after he refused the buyout, I just can't anymore. That shit is fucking dumb and I hope he gets what he deserves for it.
 
q_q said:
I'll admit, I was rooting for Walt this whole time (doesn't mean I think he's a good guy), but after he refused the buyout, I just can't anymore. That shit is fucking dumb and I hope he gets what he deserves for it.
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Realistically, what do you think he deserves at this point?

I don't mean what the legal system would say he deserves.
 
Puddles said:
Realistically, what do you think he deserves at this point?

I don't mean what the legal system would say he deserves.
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To fail and lose everything, including his family. I mean he obviously deserved that before, but I just mean that now I hope it happens to him, which I didn't before.
 
Antti said:
What I think Walt's plan is (speculation based on preview/sneak peek):

The deal was to get the blue stuff off the market. Walt is going to do just that, but still keeping his share of the methylamine somehow. The bag of blue meth he brings to the scene where they meet up the buyers must have some significance. A) To confirm he's Heisenberg and B) to serve as a figurative symbol he throws on the ground saying blue meth is done. They/he will however start manufacturing a knock-off product that's the exact same, just not blue. Heisenberg showing his face to the buyers humanizes him in their eyes, and they believe his bullshit.
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but they know exactly how much methylamine they have... so i don't see how walt will be able to keep his share
 
q_q said:
To fail and lose everything, including his family. I mean he obviously deserved that before, but I just mean that now I hope it happens to him, which I didn't before.
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Meh, that's going way too far.

I'd say he deserves at least as shitty a weekend as Brock had in that hospital, the loss of cash considerations, and a future kick in the nuts at a time and place to be determined.
 
Just came in to say I finished Season 2. Everything pretty much fell apart in the finale. (Literally, even.)

I can't begin Season 3 until next month, though, due to my SUPER AWESOME CANADIAN DOWNLOAD LIMIT! YAY!

P.S: I AM adding over 70 GB of download limits to my account next month, too.
 
I know BY2K needs to get the hell out of here because of spoilers, but I'll just chip this in here.

The last episode of Season 2 and the first handful episodes of Season 3 are definitely the weak link in this show. The middle of Season 2, the end of Season 3, and all of Seasons 4 and 5 are so fucking good, though.
 
BY2K, when you get into the early parts of Season 3, be ready to feel hatred unlike anything you've ever felt while watching television before.

Without spoiling anything, I'll just say that a character commits what is probably the most rage-inducing act ever committed by a tv character.
 
Antti said:
What I think Walt's plan is (speculation based on preview/sneak peek):

The deal was to get the blue stuff off the market. Walt is going to do just that, but still keeping his share of the methylamine somehow. The bag of blue meth he brings to the scene where they meet up the buyers must have some significance. A) To confirm he's Heisenberg and B) to serve as a figurative symbol he throws on the ground saying blue meth is done. They/he will however start manufacturing a knock-off product that's the exact same, just not blue. Heisenberg showing his face to the buyers humanizes him in their eyes, and they believe his bullshit.
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Walt wants an empire, he needs to start expanding. He wants them under his reign. Jesse and Mike get out, Walt gets to keep/expand his empire, and the guys from Arizona no longer have the blue stuff as competition. Everybody wins.
 
Puddles said:
BY2K, when you get into the early parts of Season 3, be ready to feel hatred unlike anything you've ever felt while watching television before.

Without spoiling anything, I'll just say that a character commits what is probably the most rage-inducing act ever committed by a tv character.
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Thanks for making my wait for next month even worse, you jerk!

Can't wait!
 
Puddles said:
BY2K, when you get into the early parts of Season 3, be ready to feel hatred unlike anything you've ever felt while watching television before.

Without spoiling anything, I'll just say that a character commits what is probably the most rage-inducing act ever committed by a tv character.
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BY2K said:
Thanks for making my wait for next month even worse, you jerk!

Can't wait!
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Please dont listen to him.Without giving anything away, puddles is crazy.
 
I personally soured to Walt in Season 4. True, he was being something of an ass/monster before that, but the running theme has been him keeping himself alive, not necessarily Jesse. Jesse is there both because he knows his stuff, and because he knows Jesse would protect him. Him having
Gale killed
, making Jesse do it (a running theme too since he seems to really pile the pressure on Jesse), basically to save himself and himself alone.

I dunno spoiler policies in dis thread, so. :V
 
I cannot believe anyone would type out, in all seriousness, that Walt had Jesse kill Gale to save himself and himself alone. That is absolutely ridiculous.

That was like... one episode after Walt risked his life to kill the two dealers that Jesse was feuding with.
 
Puddles said:
I cannot believe anyone would type out, in all seriousness, that Walt had Jesse kill Gale to save himself and himself alone. That is absolutely ridiculous.

That was like... one episode after Walt risked his life to kill the two dealers that Jesse was feuding with.
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i always thought it was out of character that he could so easily shoot someone in the face at the time. those guys he shoots at the super lab at the end of season 4 when he's in full-blown psychopath mode should've been the first.
 
beastmode said:
i always thought it was out of character that he could so easily shoot someone in the face at the time. those guys he shoots at the super lab at the end of season 4 when he's in full-blown psychopath mode should've been the first.
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Those guys were cold-blooded murderers who had been seconds away from gunning down his partner and his best friend.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the day that Walt directly causes the death of an innocent person is the day I'll stop supporting him.
 
jonezer4 said:
That's the awesome thing about this show: everyone who watches it seems to sour on Walt at different points depending on their own moral compass. For me it was only very recently (I must be a horrible person), but I know others who have been unable to sympathize with him since S2.
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I actually found myself really hoping Mike would complete the deal in Buyout. I was rooting against Walt managing to escape, as I realised that everything that happens from here - if Jesse, Mike, Hank, Saul, or any other major character dies - is likely the result of Walt being unable to accept a $5 million buyout. Of course, he's had dozens of other opportunities to call it quits, but this is perhaps the cleanest one yet in terms of security and money (I always figured that Gus would kill him at the end of his contract even before things turned sour between the two of them, so he couldn't just walk away there)
 
Puddles said:
I cannot believe anyone would type out, in all seriousness, that Walt had Jesse kill Gale to save himself and himself alone. That is absolutely ridiculous.

That was like... one episode after Walt risked his life to kill the two dealers that Jesse was feuding with.
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The man is not above protecting Jesse, but that had nothing to do with Gale. Gale died for the purpose of keeping Walt alive. I never said that Walt was not loyal to Jesse, but the situation with Gale was one where the risk-reward system gave a lot of risk for Jesse, and a lot of reward for Walt. Gus never viewed Jesse in the way that he viewed Walt, and as such, Jesse didn't have to worry about having Mike take him out. The loyalty between them was and is still there, but Jesse has always, at least later in the series, like he cares about their loyalty more so. You look at Walt and Jesse's passionate speeches about one another to Gus or to Mike, and you see that Jesse seems more concerned with Walt's survival on a personal level, while Walt's is on a business level.

As for deaths, I would expect a showdown that sees Walter and/or Hank dying (possibly also Jesse vs. Walter involved in that), or that Walter accidentally gets Skyler or Walter Jr. killed through his arrogance. I mean, there's no fun in building a guy up into a monster if you don't either making him a sniveling loser or a self-aware monster by the end of it all.
 
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I don't think we are allowed to link to 4chan, even though I know the link will be dead eventually, but the current thread on /tv/ I'm in based around this image is hilarious.

>Gus is the bartender

>"I will chill your wife's wine."
>"I will chill your son's orange juice."
>"I WILL CHILL YOUR INFANT DAUGHTER'S FORMULA"
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>Todd, Walt, Mike and Jesse pulling a prank on the rival summer camp
>Noone must find out we were here
>Kid sees them
>Todd shoots to kill
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>drunken conga line with Walt in the front
>"The beer keeps flowing. Nothing stops this train. Nothing."
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THE-Pink-Dagger said:
Man, that scene where Walt picks up Jesse in the crackhouse is incredible, father-son relationship right there.
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Well yeah, I feel teacher/father relationship is almost the same...they both want the individual to succeed and make their way in the world.

I know it is more than that but at a basic level I feel it is somewhat the same and that is what makes their relationship great.

Father/Teacher both see the potential in the pupil.
 
A Link to the Snitch said:
The man is not above protecting Jesse, but that had nothing to do with Gale. Gale died for the purpose of keeping Walt alive. I never said that Walt was not loyal to Jesse, but the situation with Gale was one where the risk-reward system gave a lot of risk for Jesse, and a lot of reward for Walt. Gus never viewed Jesse in the way that he viewed Walt, and as such, Jesse didn't have to worry about having Mike take him out. The loyalty between them was and is still there, but Jesse has always, at least later in the series, like he cares about their loyalty more so. You look at Walt and Jesse's passionate speeches about one another to Gus or to Mike, and you see that Jesse seems more concerned with Walt's survival on a personal level, while Walt's is on a business level.
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I think you're forgetting the order of events here.

When they first meet Gus, Gus wants Walt, but not Jesse. Walt goes to bat for Jesse to bring him on board.

Later, Jesse has a dispute with two street-level dealers after they execute that kid. In one of the show's more unbelievable moments, Gus tells everyone to just get along.

Jesse then proceeds to go after the two dealers himself. Walt saves his ass. Jesse is on the run, and is as good as dead if Gus catches him. Gus decides to just replace both of them with Gale, and Walt is about to be executed, but he manages to get Gale's location to Jesse, who does what needs to be done, saving both of their asses.

It was only after Gale was dead that Gus decided he would rather kill Walt and keep Jesse alive, probably because Jesse was easier to manipulate.

If things had gone differently, and Mike had just shot Walt in the lab at the end of Season 3, Jesse would have been dead within a few days. On the other hand, if Walt had just allowed Jesse to be gunned down by those dealers, I don't think Gus would have had him killed.
 
Puddles said:
I think you're forgetting the order of events here.

When they first meet Gus, Gus wants Walt, but not Jesse. Walt goes to bat for Jesse to bring him on board.

Later, Jesse has a dispute with two street-level dealers after they execute that kid. In one of the show's more unbelievable moments, Gus tells everyone to just get along.

Jesse then proceeds to go after the two dealers himself. Walt saves his ass. Jesse is on the run, and is as good as dead if Gus catches him. Gus decides to just replace both of them with Gale, and Walt is about to be executed, but he manages to get Gale's location to Jesse, who does what needs to be done, saving both of their asses.

It was only after Gale was dead that Gus decided he would rather kill Walt and keep Jesse alive, probably because Jesse was easier to manipulate.

If things had gone differently, and Mike had just shot Walt in the lab at the end of Season 3, Jesse would have been dead within a few days. On the other hand, if Walt had just allowed Jesse to be gunned down by those dealers, I don't think Gus would have had him killed.
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It would have bought some time since he would have no choice but to train Gale then he would be fucked after.

Walt setting up Gale's murder was what officially placed him on Gus's shit list.
 
Infinite Justice said:
It would have bought some time since he would have no choice but to train Gale then he would be fucked after.

Walt setting up Gale's murder was what officially placed him on Gus's shit list.
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Sure, but Walt setting up Gale's murder happened after Jesse's confrontation with the two thugs.

What I'm saying is that if Walt had just allowed Jesse to (almost certainly) be killed by those guys, Gus would have left him alone. So essentially, Walt put his life completely on the line for Jesse, and the entire conflict in Season 4 comes out of that decision.
 
Hey, guys. Im a huge fan of this show and I have to thank threads from previous seasons as what got me to start watching it :)

Also, thanks Cornballer for the whole content you bring to the thread. You're awesome!

I usually dont post much, but I love reading everyone's posts.

However, now I keep re-watching the promo for the next episode and (will add spoilers just in case no one has seen it):

When Walter yells - IF YOU LEAVE, YOU GET NOTHING - it shows Jesse, but I keep thinking this is a confrontation with Mike.

Anyone else thing there will be a showdown between the two this episode? Or at least the setup in the last few minutes for the last episode?

I'm so hyped for tomorrow. :)
 
The thing that bugs me about Gale's death is that it wasn't Gale dies or Walt/Jesse die. It was Gale dies, Walt/Jesse die, or Jesse runs and Walt goes to the DEA. Walt will never go to the DEA because it'd damage his ego, but that doesn't make it not an option. If I remember correctly, Jesse suggests it but Walt shoots it down and decides murdering Gale is the more appealing option.

The decision to kill harmless Gale in an attempt to stay in the game--even though he didn't have a chance to follow through--is I think my own personal line in the sand for Walt. I just can't excuse picking murder to save your own ego (because Walt's smart enough to know he could cut an epic deal with the DEA in exchange for demolishing the Fring operation.)
 
Raijin_Cain said:
Hey, guys. Im a huge fan of this show and I have to thank threads from previous seasons as what got me to start watching it :)

Also, thanks Cornballer for the whole content you bring to the thread. You're awesome!

I usually dont post much, but I love reading everyone's posts.

However, now I keep re-watching the promo for the next episode and (will add spoilers just in case no one has seen it):

When Walter yells - IF YOU LEAVE, YOU GET NOTHING - it shows Jesse, but I keep thinking this is a confrontation with Mike.

Anyone else thing there will be a showdown between the two this episode? Or at least the setup in the last few minutes for the last episode?

I'm so hyped for tomorrow. :)
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I'm predicting
Walt gets Todd to kill Mike after a deadlock between the two. Someone big has got to die before this half ends.

But yeah, I agree with your speculation.
 
I don't see Walt having Gale killed as a turning point of shittiness for him at all. Gale was involved in a meth operation, and he got killed. That'll happen. In a criminal operation like this anyone is taking the risk of getting killed. I agree with Puddles (not on everything) that Walt hasn't killed a real innocent at this point.
 
iammeiam said:
The thing that bugs me about Gale's death is that it wasn't Gale dies or Walt/Jesse die. It was Gale dies, Walt/Jesse die, or Jesse runs and Walt goes to the DEA. Walt will never go to the DEA because it'd damage his ego, but that doesn't make it not an option. If I remember correctly, Jesse suggests it but Walt shoots it down and decides murdering Gale is the more appealing option.

The decision to kill harmless Gale in an attempt to stay in the game--even though he didn't have a chance to follow through--is I think my own personal line in the sand for Walt. I just can't excuse picking murder to save your own ego (because Walt's smart enough to know he could cut an epic deal with the DEA in exchange for demolishing the Fring operation.)
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He didn't actually make the call until Mike had him at the lab with a gun to his face. By that point it actually was Gale dies or Walt/Jesse die.
 
Puddles said:
He didn't actually make the call until Mike had him at the lab with a gun to his face. By that point it actually was Gale dies or Walt/Jesse die.
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Actually, no. Walt was on his way to kill him when Victor appeared on the front of his house and told him about some kind of chemical leak at the lab.

Walt words to Jesses were: "Never the DEA"

At the lab, he was smart and made them call Jesse and then he told Jesse tto kill Gale. Initially, the plan was Jesse finds out where he lives and Walt kills him.

I hope Im not disrespectful, but by your posts, I dont know if you are being serious or just doing this for fun.

Again, sorrry if it sounds offensive. It's just the wayy you word your posts sometimes. I really can't tell.
 
Raijin_Cain said:
Actually, no. Walt was on his way to kill him when Victor appeared on the front of his house and told him about some kind of chemical leak at the lab.

Walt words to Jesses were: "Never the DEA"

At the lab, he was smart and made them call Jesse and then he told Jesse tto kill Gale. Initially, the plan was Jesse finds out where he lives and Walt kills him.

I hope Im not disrespectful, but by your posts, I dont know if you are being serious or just doing this for fun.

Again, sorrry if it sounds offensive. It's just the wayy you word your posts sometimes. I really can't tell.
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Actually it's been nearly two years since I watched it, so I had forgotten that part. Good call.
 
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