Why do you doubt it? Apple had this patent validated in this result. Unless you mean the phone makers will pay apple to use it, which will be the result of all this.
Court set to rule on Apple vs Samsung case in a few minutes
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Number of patents <> Number of lawsuits / size & impact of lawsuits
Those Unix and Microsoft vs Apple lawsuits were over very essential functions and have shaped modern computing. The lawsuits you are seeing right now is just shaping mobile computing. In the end, you'll have the same thing as modern computing.
Elfforkusu
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This isn't an "Apple sucks" thing, they're just playing the game. But the game is fubar.
Stagnation and open source inevitability? Awesome!
IMO, it's fairly obvious that the "number of lawsuits" can't increase proportionally compared to the '90s, because the number of companies holding patents hasn't increased proportionally (especially with the volume of patents involved. You need a full deck just to sit at the table). But what I mean when I say an explosion of litigation is that the "size & impact" of the lawsuits will easily exceed what happened with mainframes, if it hasn't already. The cellphone market is huge, and it's going to be dragged through this for years to come.
your posts in this thread are on the opposite side of the spectrum as evildick, just sayin'
Psychotext
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I'm so glad I live in a country with no software patents. I run a software business and frankly we wouldn't exist if we had to worry about licensing every common sense idea that we ended up using in an application.
This is only going to get worse. Smaller businesses in the US aren't going to be able to function effectively in this climate and the corporations are going to tie each other up with their ridiculous patent war chests in the short term before cross licensing deals make all those patents largely irrelevant anyway.
Fantastic.
This is only going to get worse. Smaller businesses in the US aren't going to be able to function effectively in this climate and the corporations are going to tie each other up with their ridiculous patent war chests in the short term before cross licensing deals make all those patents largely irrelevant anyway.
Fantastic.
You are not alone. I have always preferred to let the double-tap take me to where I need to be. Rarely I use the pinch to zoom to adjust if need be.
This is from an Android POV. iOS double-tap is a bit different if I remember correctly?
I don't use it ever on my iPhone either lol. Android is a bit nicer in situations like the browser since it has the option to resize text columns when you double tap-zoom on them.
Yes exactly! I was trying to think of the difference. Thank you! It's the column resizing that I really appreciate.
You guys are referring to, for example, text on web pages? I only really find pinch to zoom useful on photos. However, what do you mean by resizing text columns?
I was referring primarily to web pages. Although, now that I go and look at Chrome on the Nexus 7...I realize that it doesn't seem to resize the columns after all. I must have just been thinking of the stock browser in the old days.
If enabled, instead of just zooming in so whichever block of text you double-tapped takes up the screen, it (excuse my wording if this is incorrect) resizes and reflows the block of text so it's displayed at a specific font size. Sometimes on the iPhone blocks of text are too wide to be easily readable in portrait when you double tap-zoom. It's handy when viewing a page that isn't formatted for mobile.
Chrome doesn't have it currently.
RoadHazard
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The stock Android browser reflows text as you double-tap on a paragraph. Chrome doesn't; instead, it just zooms in on the paragraph and automatically adjusts the font size so it's readable without reflowing the text (at least that's the theory).
You Are Viewtiful
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lol I remember that. The patent system is a joke internationally though.
Thank the heavens I don't live in the US. I can't live without my beautiful Galaxies.
It's pretty interesting that "of the 9 person jury, 4 of them have worked at tech companies and 2 of them are engineers. Not a naïve bunch, apparently." http://live.cnet.com/Event/Apple_vs_Samsung_verdict?Page=0
Souless_PJ
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Buuut I thought they were all morons. Lol face it the right side won today. You can't copy things wholesale for profit and then bitch about getting slapped on the wrist when you get called on it.
Ooops, I missed this.
With respect to licensing: Apple was never going to license in good faith, especially in light of the absurd $30 per device and their licensing terms with Microsoft (license but not actually use it).
We've mentioned this several times already; the jury is more "qualified" and has more tech expertise than Oracle vs Google. That makes the verdict even more baffling.
Soyongdori
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This trial was probably the most biased technology trial in history because all members of the jury came from Silicon Valley, California which is where Apple's headquarters are located.
That's kind of tinfoil-hatty, to be honest...
How is it baffling?
Because, as a fellow engineer and professional, I would expect them to come to the same conclusion as most others in the industry. That is, prior art (edit: prior art alone) would've invalidated some of their patents and claims.
edit: Also, most of those patents wouldn't have passed the novelty test if properly challenged.
lunarworks
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They learned a hard lesson from the "look and feel" lawsuit, and decided they wouldn't let that happen again.
Basically, "the next kid that tries to take my lunch money is going to get a knuckle sandwich."
Of course a lot of us did. As many of us mentioned in the other thread, many companies do product comparisons and whatnot. It's not unusual.
In retrospect, what probably caught Samsung wasn't the existence of these documents or emails, but boiled down to a simple "yes/no" to each of the points. Civil claims such as this are a balance of probabilities (and not beyond reasonable doubt), and it was perhaps reasonable for the jury to vote yes to most of the claims.
fse
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I could see that.. yeah.
Who are these "most others" in the industry? Have you done a poll where the majority of engineers stated they don't believe in patents or trade dress?
Prior art was presented to the jury and ultimately it was deem unpersuasive.
googleplex
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Then this jury was full of fucking idiots. No one, not even the almighty Apple should be allowed to patent something that already existed. Pinch to zoom already existed before the Iphone.
It blows my mind any anyone here, that isn't a Apple shareholder can be happy with this verdict.
CharminUltra
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And they say Apple fans are the irrational ones
I never said didn't believe in patents or trade dress. I said they didn't believe in Apple's patents or claims.
As for these people, they would be too numerous to count. People online. People I know in person. People I know from other people, etc.
I wouldn't call them
And yes, juries can mess up. Quite frequently, might I add.
If anything this sets a precedent going forward. That alone is a pretty big deal.
Bullying might not be the right term. I'd say "copying" is.
If Samsung had ripped off a far smaller company, then they might have been able to get away with it since smaller outfits typically couldn't afford to go to court against huge companies like Samsung. Good thing Apple has so much cash, eh?
Sye d'Burns
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That's a way I hadn't thought of it before. Interesting viewpoint.
This is easily one of the worst jury decisions I've ever read about. Fuck, probably one of the worst court decisions I've heard of, full stop. I think you have to go back to Citizens United or even possibly Plessy v. Ferguson before you find a court decision that was not only this blatantly wrong, but that would have such a deleterious effect on the well-being of the population.
Samsung should sue their own attorneys for been so goddamn incompetent.
Jobs said this explicitly in the iPhone introduction presentation.
BurnOutBrighter
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Awful decision. Consumers are going to pay the price, in more ways than one.
Opus Angelorum
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It's a good point, and ironically Samsung ended up with a better phone (Galaxy II and III).
I think this could be a good result. Android will become more innovative and iOS will remain stale, festering underneath its own walled garden of patents.
Johnny Cage In The Shower
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So does this mean, there might be some models of Samsung smartphones available for dirt cheap?
Napoleonthechimp
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What gets to me is the hypocrisy of stealing design ideas (pull down notification area) while suing another company for doing exactly what they do on a regular basis.
Sye d'Burns
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I'm not saying it isn't possible, but i'm not sure how you garnered that from this:
I guess actually being innovative and having the perception of being innovative are two different things. It's hard to imagine a day when apple isn't at least somewhat innovative but I suppose having a walled garden of patents and a huge wad of cash could breed a culture of complacency, especially so soon into the changing of the guard.
Anyone who says this will lead to greater differentiation and innovation is retarded. The same shit that happened to pc's is happening to mobile phones. You can't make an OS without getting your ass sue'd into oblivion because the same 2-3 players monopolize the market with shitty patents.
The Move is different from the Wii. However, it's the same world where each gaming company's D-Pad is different because of Nintendo's D-Pad patent.
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