It is sickening.
Court set to rule on Apple vs Samsung case in a few minutes
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It is sickening.
MoogleWizard
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This is disgusting and makes me want to sell my iPad and MacBook. They probably will be my last Apple purchases, Windows has gotten better and Android isn't that bad I guess.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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So them suing didn't matter, but when they win you're turned? Weird.
I'm loving all of these extreme gut reactions.
Frankfurter
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It needs to be said that Apple isn't the problem, the shitty US patent law system is.
Dynamite Shikoku
Congratulations, you really deserve it!
You should smash them up and record it for youtube
Wiktor
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Juries are one of the worst ideas ever.
Opus Angelorum
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Complacency is a great term in this context, and that's what I'm alluding to.
In my world, any design that is forced to stay away from that of Apple can only be a good thing. The software is stale, the hardware is predictable and the fact 'it's an Apple product' does not cut it anymore.
test_account
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It is because it is easy to spot the difference. Same with i.e Kinect and EyeToy/webcams.
But i agree that it is bad that it is possible to take patent on the smallest things.
Opus Angelorum
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Samsung 2012 Q2 profit was just under $6 billion, this is nothing.
Samsung would disagree.
They probably would not because Apple asked $30 per every Samsung android phone. Now, they need to pay ONLY 1 billion.
Sye d'Burns
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I guess they're appealing because they agree so much.
Samsung spokesman said:
Funny, I didn't see "but on the bright side it saved us a boatload of cash."
Holy shit. Doesn't this mean they can't use any of those patents anymore though?
patenting pinch to zoom is like patenting a menu bar. The bounce - like patenting a blinking cursor.
Shit should be standard usability technology. Great that they came up with it - but fuck them for practically locking everyone else out from the use of basic computing functionality.
Letting this go through is the equivalent of giving one manufacturer an iron grip on the layout of keyboard designs, forcing everyone else to come up with their own layout to sell to consumers.
They can work around software patents, tap to zoom and scroll bounce can be modified. Visually, they already have much different phones than Apple.
FalsettoVibe
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What about pinch to zoom. Can Samsung(or anyone else) not use that anymore?
Opus Angelorum
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Of course they are going to appeal, this a PR problem for Samsung. Nothing more.
badcrumble
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"This is good news!!! For Samsung!!!" Is easily my favorite reaction of the thread.
Sye d'Burns
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Rule 1 in PR Management. Don't drag out problems.
I'm still leaning towards the silver lining scenario, but I don't think Samsung has gotten the memo on that yet. No doubt they think 1 billion dollars is a lot of money and are smarting from their loss and the potential pulling of parts of their line-up.
I guess you could press and hold for a second and a little zoom scroll pops up.
Unknown Soldier
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If Apple actually tries to get things like pinch-to-zoom, tap-to-zoom, two-finger scrolling removed from other mobile OSes (read: Android), they will face a public relations nightmare and potentially a massive consumer revolt. Apple pursued a successful scorched earth warfare policy against Samsung who were pretty stupidly blatant about their copying but against other mobile OSes in general, especially Android, they will be winning Pyrrhic victories if they make the entire world hate them in the process by forcing removal of features most consumers find useful and universal.
I also doubt that Apple is ultimately planning on suing Google openly. Motorola has a patent portfolio that probably should not be messed with, seeing as Motorola is the company that literally invented the modern mobile telephone decades ago. When Apple sued the old independent Motorola they tried to assert almost the same patents they did against Samsung and failed and then went their merry way, not desiring to poke the fate bear any more. Now that Google owns Motorola and everyone knows Google bought Motorola precisely because they were needing a patent portfolio to defend against Apple, it would be astonishingly suicidal if Apple tried to sue Google now. Google has the patents they need for Mutually Assured Destruction with Apple if they got into a real patent war, and neither Google nor Apple are irrational and want to see their companies destroyed.
I also doubt that Apple is ultimately planning on suing Google openly. Motorola has a patent portfolio that probably should not be messed with, seeing as Motorola is the company that literally invented the modern mobile telephone decades ago. When Apple sued the old independent Motorola they tried to assert almost the same patents they did against Samsung and failed and then went their merry way, not desiring to poke the fate bear any more. Now that Google owns Motorola and everyone knows Google bought Motorola precisely because they were needing a patent portfolio to defend against Apple, it would be astonishingly suicidal if Apple tried to sue Google now. Google has the patents they need for Mutually Assured Destruction with Apple if they got into a real patent war, and neither Google nor Apple are irrational and want to see their companies destroyed.
Motorola's patents are mostly SEPs, and these FRAND claims are being found to be useless for injunctions, with the EU investigating Motorola's use of them in an offensive manner, and courts, including the one in Samsung v. Apple, and Motorola v. Apple in Germany, consistently finding that patent exhaustion means the proper place to sue is the maker of the wireless chips (Qualcomm, Intel, etc.) not the last assembler.
lol The hyperbole in this thread is unreal. The Galaxy S III already doesn't look like an iPhone. As long as they don't have the scroll bounce and find a new way to magnify images they are sitting pretty right now.
The point of this litigation wasn't to stop competition it was to stop wholesale copying of Apple innovations. These things aren't hard to work around.
Mecha_Infantry
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How?! Now Samsung need to bring better alternatives to the consumer. Rather than offering something Apple have already implemented.
The overreactions in this thread are hilarious.
Barely anything will change with this, I'm sure of it.
It should allow for more innovation if anything, but I highly doubt the standard touch methods will change much (like pinch-to-zoom for example).
Samsung were being far too blatant with their copying, and that's why Apple was targeting Samsung.
The US patent system does need to change though, no doubt about it.
Barely anything will change with this, I'm sure of it.
It should allow for more innovation if anything, but I highly doubt the standard touch methods will change much (like pinch-to-zoom for example).
Samsung were being far too blatant with their copying, and that's why Apple was targeting Samsung.
The US patent system does need to change though, no doubt about it.
They can choose to license them, you know like Apple has tried ever since 2010 but Samsung refused.
SteveMeister
Hang out with Steve.
Take a look at Windows 8 Mobile's UI and tell me that Microsoft didn't know this is exactly what would happen.
You can argue that the pinch to zoom, scroll bounce and other things are "obvious", and you can argue that patents for them should never have been granted. But that's irrelevant. They were granted. And the jury found infringement.
Maybe now Samsung and other competitors will come up with some innovative new concepts of their own. I think they will. There's a lot of money to be made in the space.
You can argue that the pinch to zoom, scroll bounce and other things are "obvious", and you can argue that patents for them should never have been granted. But that's irrelevant. They were granted. And the jury found infringement.
Maybe now Samsung and other competitors will come up with some innovative new concepts of their own. I think they will. There's a lot of money to be made in the space.
i thought the prior art stuff that was shown pretty much negated all of apple's allegations of copying, this is insane.
the only way it could be good is if google lays a smackdown on apple in retaliation, but it seems like patent law only applies if it is in apple's favour at the moment.
the only way it could be good is if google lays a smackdown on apple in retaliation, but it seems like patent law only applies if it is in apple's favour at the moment.
But aren't MS safe from Apple patents anyhow?
dragonelite
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just tested wp7 has scroll bounce but im pretty sure some one told me ms and apple have some agreement in using each other patents when microsoft helped them in 90s.
Mecha_Infantry
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MS lawfully used Apples patents, yes
Lmao. This thread is full of salty children's tears
Apple won via the courts, this is what was fair. And fairly Samsung lost.
Napoleonthechimp
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It is fascinating to see people personally aligned with corporations.Surprise surprise!
loving this
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qizah
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This is pretty bad news for consumers. I feel like its two babies arguing over a lollipop. Just innovate and provide consumers with great products instead of patent trolling.
I'm talking about the reactions of blatant Apple haters on here actually.
Napoleonthechimp
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Does that make you an... "Apple lover"? They're a company that strive for bigger profit margins, not a person that is deserving of emotional attachment.
This thread is awesome.
Trade dress was the main fine, so its disingenuous to say bounce back and pinch to zoom cost Samsung 1b dollars.
The only piece of this ruling I care about is pinch to zoom patent and ultimately having it invalidated.
I'm curious to see some legal reactions for ruling on 700 items, each with a dollar figure, in 2-3 days.
Trade dress was the main fine, so its disingenuous to say bounce back and pinch to zoom cost Samsung 1b dollars.
The only piece of this ruling I care about is pinch to zoom patent and ultimately having it invalidated.
I'm curious to see some legal reactions for ruling on 700 items, each with a dollar figure, in 2-3 days.
My iPod is one of my most essential possessions. I have nothing against Apple. I just (rightly) believe that this was a god-awful decision, and that being able to register such inane patents as pinch to zoom is a horrible policy that sets an even worse precedent.
Trade dress was almost as stupid as pinch to zoom. Fuck it, probably more stupid than pinch to zoom.
ReBurn
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It's like Atari 2600 vs. Intellivision, Sega vs. Nintendo, and Sony vs. Microsoft all rolled into one!
IrishNinja
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Everyone acts like Pinch to Zoom is so obvious. Of course it is in 2012, everyone has it. When the iPhone came out it was an amazing new thing that slowly became second nature. I recall Jobs' quote from the iPhone announcement, "And boy have we patented it!". Back then who would have thought?
Sure, if you ignore the fact that people have already used it in their interface for touch screens (the TED talks guy which I believe predates the release of the Iphone).
Jeff Han
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/jeff_han_demos_his_breakthrough_touchscreen.html
RoadHazard
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No, Apple and Steve just pretended it was an amazing new thing. He even claimed, right there on stage, that Apple had invented multitouch! Ridiculous. He was a smart man, but he was also a liar and a hypocrite ("great artists steal, so we steal" -> "Android is a stolen product, and I'm going to destroy it if it's the last thing I do").
What did you think of Karan Singh and Ravin Balakrishnan's testimony that DiamondTouch and Hans method did not constitute prior art for Apple's specific patent?
QWERTY was patented in 1878. Oh how that iron grip doomed technology.
lunarworks
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I love the "Now Apple is going to sue everyone. Consumers will suffer." bullshit.
Apple only sued one company. Look at the phones, guess which one, and guess why.
(Hint: Because none of the other ones are easily mistaken for an iPhone. But hey, Apple is "evil", so...)
((Oh, and some of those are "rounded rectangles." Go figure. Guess as long as you don't combine ALL of the iPhone design elements you're fine.))
Samsung crying about innovation is hilarious, too. Samsung has never innovated in their entire existence. Even years ago, when making a BlackBerry clone called BlackJack.
Apple only sued one company. Look at the phones, guess which one, and guess why.
(Hint: Because none of the other ones are easily mistaken for an iPhone. But hey, Apple is "evil", so...)
((Oh, and some of those are "rounded rectangles." Go figure. Guess as long as you don't combine ALL of the iPhone design elements you're fine.))
Samsung crying about innovation is hilarious, too. Samsung has never innovated in their entire existence. Even years ago, when making a BlackBerry clone called BlackJack.
RoadHazard
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I love the "Now Apple is going to sue everyone. Consumers will suffer." bullshit.
Apple only sued one company. Look at the phones, guess which one, and guess why.
(Hint: Because none of the other ones are easily mistaken for an iPhone. But hey, Apple is "evil", so...)
((Oh, and some of those are "rounded rectangles." Go figure. Guess as long as you don't combine ALL of the iPhone design elements you're fine.))
Samsung crying about innovation is hilarious, too. Samsung has never innovated in their entire existence. Even years ago, when making a BlackBerry clone called BlackJack.
Know what all of those phones have? Pinch-to-zoom.
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