Air Zombie Meat
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That would be a bit of a cop out.
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BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
interesting theory!
Yeah, it would undermine the impact of the story... so I don't think they'd do it.
I don't think Walt's personality change has become extreme, though, or jarring in any way as some others feel. The point he's at now is where it was always destined to be headed if he continued on the same path.
Everything about Walt is easily explained if you just look at how arrogant and prideful he is, and has largely always been. That is what defines all of his actions.
Everything about Walt is easily explained if you just look at how arrogant and prideful he is, and has largely always been. That is what defines all of his actions.
Gale was fairly innocent and Jesse was willing to go to the DEA if it meant no-one died. Mike, Walt, and Gus were all in it for the money with no serious moral qualms over killing.
It's just funny that the incident that convinces the Waltards he's finally gone over the moral edge is for him to kill a more likeable psychopath (while in a very emotional state and immediately filled with regret afterwords.)
HP_Wuvcraft
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Heisenberg isn't a new development by any means. He named his kid Walter, Jr.; he very quickly decided to cook meth as a means to an end. Those that think Walt was "corrupted" after starting the meth business are fooling themselves.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Interesting. I did see him as "transformed" from a mundane, pathetic Walt... into someone who stumbled onto the thrill through an old circumstance which made it rational (dying + having to care for family + knowhow and opportunity for meth).. But you have a point.
SpeedingUptoStop
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Yea, everything he's done is very much from a seed within his character all along. A brain tumor would explain shit that doesn't make sense at all, and everything he's done, up to irrationally shooting Mike and being a chicken shit about it, is still in character.
Alex
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There was certainly a transformation, anyone who disagrees outright needs to go back and rewatch the show but I do agree with the arrogance and corruptible pride being more of a latent part of his personality and this has just all acted as an increasingly larger outlet for him.
There was that part in season 4(?) where Walt goes in for remission check up. We never directly see what the result was though he did seem evasive when Walt Jr asks him about it. Maybe I missed something but it seemed odd how that pair of scenes kinda had no follow up.
He's also taking pills in the cold open of this season. I can see it coming back up as some sort timer.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Walt White is the perfect example of someone who actually lives to realize their potential.
Too bad that potential is being an asshole.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Actually, that harkened back to early seasons the most for me. It reminded me of the tortured, indecisive way in which Walt dealt with Krazy-8 in the first season.
HP_Wuvcraft
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"Why would he do that?" still rings in my ears.
I always saw that scene as Walt asking himself not why would Krazy-8 try to kill him because he's still a human being, but why would he try to kill him if he knows the outcome will be Walt killing him.
Walt always needs to be in control.
blahblah...blah
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Seeing Jonathan Banks cry when describing his demise is as gut-wrenching as anything on the show itself! 
zeioIIDX
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Seeing Jonathan Banks cry when describing his demise is as gut-wrenching as anything on the show itself!
Yeah I felt the same :/ Can't wait for episode 8, oh man.
He was asking why because he didn't want to kill someone and it seemed that they were on good terms.
Air Zombie Meat
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I feel like thats a bit much. He's always been prideful and arrogant but he's also transformed as a character. It's similar to the way that Gus had transformed from how he was in the flashback of his partner being killed.
PaleFolklore
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I wish I could send Jonathan Banks a letter or something and tell him how fantastic he was. Broke my fucking heart seeing him cry in the making of.
Hmmm.... I can't help but feel Mike wanted to die. The moment he left the park, I don't think he cared whether he lived or died. His time was up, and he's already left all he had to leave for his grand daughter.
Cause Mike would never trust an egomaniacal and manipulative madman like Walt to bring a bag with a gun in it to him. He said no to Jesse after all, and yes to Walt.
I think he knew, Walt might do it, or he might not. He just didn't care, he didn't have anything to lose anymore, and he has never spoke truer words before. Exposing Walt's ego moments before he died, if Walt did all he was supposed to in Fring's business, they would still have a good thing going.
Mike could've taken the bag, and killed Walt right there.. without ever getting caught. But he was just a victim of being the better man, that, and having even an ounce of trust in Walt from the get go.
Cause Mike would never trust an egomaniacal and manipulative madman like Walt to bring a bag with a gun in it to him. He said no to Jesse after all, and yes to Walt.
I think he knew, Walt might do it, or he might not. He just didn't care, he didn't have anything to lose anymore, and he has never spoke truer words before. Exposing Walt's ego moments before he died, if Walt did all he was supposed to in Fring's business, they would still have a good thing going.
Mike could've taken the bag, and killed Walt right there.. without ever getting caught. But he was just a victim of being the better man, that, and having even an ounce of trust in Walt from the get go.
As much as I wish Mike lived like everyone, he played the game and made a final mistake at the end sooo..
Never verbally bash an unstable, upcoming wana-be kingpin of the drug empire. He underestimated Walt and got a bullet for it. I'm sure if he had just reminded Walt he could of got the names of Lydia and driven off he'd be alive but no he had to antagonize!
Such a sad ending though Walt, despite his feelings of doubt and misdone shown on his face as he searched for Mike - it's like he knew what would happen, but wish he hadn't done it in the heat of the moment. Not that I'm on team Walt, but he seems to act rashly at any time and screw up because of it.
Mike had plenty of chances of taking full measures and lost out
Never verbally bash an unstable, upcoming wana-be kingpin of the drug empire. He underestimated Walt and got a bullet for it. I'm sure if he had just reminded Walt he could of got the names of Lydia and driven off he'd be alive but no he had to antagonize!
Such a sad ending though
Walt, despite his feelings of doubt and misdone shown on his face as he searched for Mike - it's like he knew what would happen, but wish he hadn't done it in the heat of the moment. Not that I'm on team Walt, but he seems to act rashly at any time and screw up because of it.Mike had plenty of chances of taking full measures and lost out
You know, Mike's tirade actually makes no sense.
He says that if Walt had just kept his head down and worked for Gus, everything would have been fine. That was exactly the plan until Jesse confronted the dealers who had murdered Tomas. After Walt intervened in that confrontation, there was no going back to the old status quo.
He says that if Walt had just kept his head down and worked for Gus, everything would have been fine. That was exactly the plan until Jesse confronted the dealers who had murdered Tomas. After Walt intervened in that confrontation, there was no going back to the old status quo.
grimshawish
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Mike never took the blame, he liked Jesse and he hated Walt from day 1; the main reason is he thought Walt was uncontrollable but Jesse was in some way. Mike should have allowed Lydia to kill those guys, he didn't. In the end Mike had his own pride and ego, it cost him his life.
I have mixed emotions about the end, its very sad and am glad Walt still has some heart as we saw at the end; but am also glad Lydia wasn't going to be a dropped storyline as I was worried there for a moment.
My speculation for how this will end keeps changing, so:
Todd has someone kill Walt and Jesse having learnt how to cook himself - certainly I think it revolves around Todd
Jesse is now the only Character i care for.
I know, he broke bad too, but at this point he is the only guy who should get a second chance (apart from guys like hank, walt jr. maybe skylar etc)
Walts talk about "bad drug money" was true though. Such a smartass. Jesse shouldt take it if hes "out".
In the beginning he was the stupid crackhead, now hes like the single guy remaining with a heart.
Such a great show. Damn it.
I know, he broke bad too, but at this point he is the only guy who should get a second chance (apart from guys like hank, walt jr. maybe skylar etc)
Walts talk about "bad drug money" was true though. Such a smartass. Jesse shouldt take it if hes "out".
In the beginning he was the stupid crackhead, now hes like the single guy remaining with a heart.
Such a great show. Damn it.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I was on Team Walt until this episode.
grimshawish
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Just on the whole 'Walt personality' thing; its clear that Walt its quite traumatised by the events of seasons 1-4. Hes been through a lot in a very short period of time.
Instead of dealing with his feelings Walt has pushed himself to become Heisenburg.
Walt learnt he had cancer and realised he couldn't control his life; he got into the drug trade and found he was still out of control. Walt has made himself become someone he isn't - because hes desperately insecure about not being in control of his life.
We saw Walt out of control again, his character shattered before him - he shot Mike because he blamed him for everything, but it wasn't clean or quick or easy. Instead he had to deal with the aftermath.
I think were going to see Walt swinging back to his old self, but now - hes trapped - hes involved with another dealer and his gang. He can't quit. This will either be about his downfall, but am hoping Walt does everything from now to get his family back and fix everything.
Really am just looking forward to more Lydia and am a bit sad Walt is now working for this other gang as I think it would have been cool having her more involved. But ah well.
Instead of dealing with his feelings Walt has pushed himself to become Heisenburg.
Walt learnt he had cancer and realised he couldn't control his life; he got into the drug trade and found he was still out of control. Walt has made himself become someone he isn't - because hes desperately insecure about not being in control of his life.
We saw Walt out of control again, his character shattered before him - he shot Mike because he blamed him for everything, but it wasn't clean or quick or easy. Instead he had to deal with the aftermath.
I think were going to see Walt swinging back to his old self, but now - hes trapped - hes involved with another dealer and his gang. He can't quit. This will either be about his downfall, but am hoping Walt does everything from now to get his family back and fix everything.
Really am just looking forward to more Lydia and am a bit sad Walt is now working for this other gang as I think it would have been cool having her more involved. But ah well.
Go_Ly_Dow
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The moment he whistled, I just knew I was on the wrong team.
Souless_PJ
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Well I presume that since the lawyer flipped he would have to tell the DEA which boxes were his and the Bday card gives it away since they already have Mike's grand daughters name from the Fring accounts (damn magnet heist). Maybe he keeps that one quiet but the reception lady also knew the numbers. I think it's gone.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Yes... some character traits over some very recent episodes have been like "TEAM WALT: BAIL NOW~~~!!!"
Normally don't care much for these edits, but this one's great (it's the final scene of latest ep, so spoilers obviously):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u0PpE8MCmU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u0PpE8MCmU
Yeah that money is gone, besides, the secretary could have told the DEA which boxes they were.
Ciastek3214
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Hey you! You stole my avatar!
BenjaminBirdie
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"MacMeth" as per the brilliant Emily Nussbaum:
http://www.newyorker.com/arts/criti...7crte_television_nussbaum?mbid=social_retweet
Just like season 4.
Anyone else think Mike was planning to shoot himself anyway? The movie he was watching during the raid was talking about a murder made to look like a suicide, and Hank made the hand gun suicide gesture midway through... seemed like too much of a coincidence?
he also had that other hand gun pointing into his wound when walt finds him, yet doesn't shoot walt, who he hates. Eeh.
Even if they had killed Walt, he would've been replaced. Walt ruined the lives of so many for some delusional reasons.
zeioIIDX
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I had tears of sadness at the scene last night. Now I've damn near got tears of laughter because of this shit XD
Theory: everyone Walt works with represents a side of his personality he strives for and fails to achieve. Jesse is the romantic who acts tough but in the end is a victim of his devotion to the women in his life, his pride be damned. Gus is the cold and stoic business man who always seems one step ahead and never succumbed to pride. Mike is the father figure that sacrifices everything for his family regardless of how he's seen and how it impacts his pride.
One by one, they're all being destroyed by Walt and with them goes that part of himself. He doesn't give a fuck about his wife anymore, he doesn't really give a fuck about providing for his family anymore, his pride is clouding his judgement and soon all that's left will be a sad, lonely little man with a gun and his pride.
One by one, they're all being destroyed by Walt and with them goes that part of himself. He doesn't give a fuck about his wife anymore, he doesn't really give a fuck about providing for his family anymore, his pride is clouding his judgement and soon all that's left will be a sad, lonely little man with a gun and his pride.
Ok, Hank's boss said in the conference scene that there are 12 other cases Hank could put his focus on besides the Fring Thing. And yet Hank keeps truckin', trying to bring down Mike. But I think there is more to it, more to him staying hot on this case. I think he knows, possibly only subconsciously, that Walt has something to do with it. Why is he on the case so hardcore?
He is always looking at surveillance pictures or scenes of crimes and I think their are small pieces of evidence pointing to Walt that he is picking up, if only subconsciously.
He is always looking at surveillance pictures or scenes of crimes and I think their are small pieces of evidence pointing to Walt that he is picking up, if only subconsciously.
It's like when he talks about how great his cook is with those guys, and they're initially like "so what?"
Or how he thinks he still has a family, or something he can't leave, like he thinks he has the right to make his wife arrange his bacon on his birthday.
the man's pride has completely deluded him
Because it was his case.
I'm confused by your reply to my post.
I'm saying that Walt's original plan was to be the unassuming, peaceful meth cook behind the scenes of Gus's operation. That probably would have worked out, until Jesse confronted the two dealers in Half Measure.
From that point on, Gus was determined to kill him and was just biding his time. The events of Season 4 (and the end of Season 3) clearly altered Walt.
Haha, that is fantastic!
Very good analysis
dave is ok
aztek is ok
He's been all over finding Heisenberg for five seasons now.
Walter never wanted to be the little man, even before the Half Measures ep. You could tell he was scheming and plotting and frustrated by the fact the operation was going so smoothly and that he had to be an underling to Gus.
Walt needs an enemy, or a goal or some feeling of gaining power or progression, or else he can't function, which has been shown during the series.
Every time he could have left the job safely he reenters the business again out of pure greed/lust for power.
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