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Man, the sympathy people have and don't have for some characters is crazy. What makes Mike more "like-able" than Walt? He's a career hitman, lol! This recent killing by Walt is probably one of the most forgivable.

People seem to forget Jane? She was a bitch and a junkie but still the most innocent. And of course there's Brock. If you're on Team Walt then nothing should have changed for you; if not, then he's just as hated as before.

There is no way to justify Walt's actions. But there's also no way to justify the actions of some of the other characters. But I guess that's what makes the show so amazing. :) And yeah, my heart was pounding last night even though I knew what was coming the moment I saw that he and Mike were alone.
 
stn said:
Man, the sympathy people have and don't have for some characters is crazy. What makes Mike more "like-able" than Walt? He's a career hitman, lol! This recent killing by Walt is probably one of the most forgivable.

People seem to forget Jane? She was a bitch and a junkie but still the most innocent. And of course there's Brock. If you're on Team Walt then nothing should have changed for you; if not, then he's just as hated as before.

There is no way to justify Walt's actions. But there's also no way to justify the actions of some of the other characters. But I guess that's what makes the show so amazing. :) And yeah, my heart was pounding last night even though I knew what was coming the moment I saw that he and Mike were alone.
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You can't really fault people for sympathizing with Mike since the show has been making us sympathize with Mike for ages. There's a reason we only ever see him alone if he's with his granddaughter.
 
stn said:
Man, the sympathy people have and don't have for some characters is crazy. What makes Mike more "like-able" than Walt? He's a career hitman, lol! This recent killing by Walt is probably one of the most forgivable.

People seem to forget Jane? She was a bitch and a junkie but still the most innocent. And of course there's Brock. If you're on Team Walt then nothing should have changed for you; if not, then he's just as hated as before.

There is no way to justify Walt's actions. But there's also no way to justify the actions of some of the other characters. But I guess that's what makes the show so amazing. :) And yeah, my heart was pounding last night even though I knew what was coming the moment I saw that he and Mike were alone.
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Jane was definitely the turning point for Walt as a character, although I guess a lot of people just see her as a junkie so that's probably why so many people still back walt this far in. >.>
 
I am glad Mike told Walt off because he needed to hear it. Even though the show concluded the way it did, you can just tell that Walt's world is caving in fast. I am wondering what is gonna happen in next weeks episode.
 
Papercuts said:
I don't see why Walt would ever tell Jesse that. The brock thing has potential to slip at some point though.
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Did you not watch this episode? The way he killed mike? The guy is insane and irrational. He will do things just to hurt people out of spite, why WOULDNT he tell jesse.
 
Question about Innocence and Walt being culpable: Do people blame Walt in connection with the plane crash?
 
Puddles said:
I'm confused by your reply to my post.

I'm saying that Walt's original plan was to be the unassuming, peaceful meth cook behind the scenes of Gus's operation. That probably would have worked out, until Jesse confronted the two dealers in Half Measure.

From that point on, Gus was determined to kill him and was just biding his time. The events of Season 4 (and the end of Season 3) clearly altered Walt.
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I know and I'm saying that, even though Walt and Jesse would've been dead, everyone else involved would've kept trucking on and bringing in money. What are Walt and Jesse to Mike, other than meth cooks? They're nothing. The stability that Gus provided was way more important than two cooks.
 
Lonestar said:
Question about Innocence and Walt being culpable: Do people blame Walt in connection with the plane crash?
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It wouldn't have happened without his influence, so it's pretty hard not to.

Doesn't mean he intended to cause it (he obviously didn't).

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On a side note, consider my mind blown that there was such a thing as "Team Walt" before last night. He crossed over from sympathetic to despicable seasons ago.

I hope Gilligan pulls a Sopranos on the Walt sympathizers and doesn't let them get the satisfaction of seeing him go out in a blaze of glory.
 
Linkhero1 said:
Also, I find it a bit odd that Mike wasn't suspicious of the call he received from the Lawyer when he was sitting in the park. That was pretty uncharacteristic of him as well imo.



I was close to bailing off #TeamWalt after what he was doing to Jesse in the beginning of the episode, but then I realized that it's Jesse's fault for not realizing he's being manipulated after seeing how manipulative Walt really is.
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What is with walt fans and an inability to feel human empathy. MAN.
 
CrankyJay said:
Anyone?
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Instead of giving them the methylamine, Walt told them to fire their cook and just buy from him at a 35% cut, making them Mike's share. He tacitly assumed that Jesse would continue to cook with him even though he won't, and when the guy said "who the hell are you?" he replied, "you know who I am. I'm the cook. I'm the guy who killed Fring. ... Say my name."

The dude said, "You're Heisenberg..." and Walt replied, "YOU'RE DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN RIGHT."
 
CrankyJay said:
Anyone?
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Walt convinced the Arizona dealers to take over Mike's distribution role (because of the higher profit potential from Walt's "brand" of meth) and to pay Mike his $5 million as a "finder's fee."

The scene is worth tracking down and watching, though. Iconic moment at the very end.
 
Stet said:
Instead of giving them the methylamine, Walt told them to fire their cook and just buy from him at a 35% cut, making them Mike's share. He tacitly assumed that Jesse would continue to cook with him even though he won't, and when the guy said "who the hell are you?" he replied, "you know who I am. I'm the cook. I'm the guy who killed Fring. ... Say my name."

The dude said, "You're Heisenberg..." and Walt replied, "YOU'RE DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN RIGHT."
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Thanks Stet...

Moooooooooose...wtf?
 
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grimshawish said:
Instead of dealing with his feelings Walt has pushed himself to become Heisenburg. Walt learnt he had cancer and realised he couldn't control his life; he got into the drug trade and found he was still out of control. Walt has made himself become someone he isn't - because hes desperately insecure about not being in control of his life.

We saw Walt out of control again, his character shattered before him - he shot Mike because he blamed him for everything, but it wasn't clean or quick or easy. Instead he had to deal with the aftermath.

I think were going to see Walt swinging back to his old self, but now - hes trapped - hes involved with another dealer and his gang. He can't quit. This will either be about his downfall, but am hoping Walt does everything from now to get his family back and fix everything.
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This is the direction I saw hints of as well. When he shot Mike, you could see the old "Mr. White" in him. He was fumbling old Walt again. His facial expressions, the "I just realized I could have got the names from Lydia" thing. I felt like he was actually realizing, "I didn't just kill someone to protect myself or family, I legitimately murdered someone, with no real cause to do so. I think he's going to come back down to Earth, but like you said, he's trapped himself. He basically HAS to be Heisenberg in order to survive. It will certainly be interesting to see where we go from here. Too bad we only have one more episode and then we have to wait for another year.
 
Nameless said:
Not long ago Mike was seconds away from putting a bullet in the back of Walt's head on orders from Fring. How many times, in fact, has Mike aimed a gun at him with bad intentions? How many times has Walt been screwed and/or lied to by Mike? And Walt's the asshole? Mike turning down Heisenberg's generous offer of 1/3 ownership of an empire only to come groveling back to the table once the DEA was on his trail, was, by far, more assholic than anything Walt ever did to him.

Walt managed to make him a millionaire in weeks, keep him from getting arrested, bring him everything he needed to leave the country and still, Mike had the audacity to meet him with nothing but more disrespect, hostility, and a revisionist history twisted to paint Walt as the heel. Fuck that guy. And Team Walt, for the record, implores anyone thinking of jumping off the victory train because some six year old girl drew a picture, please, take that dive head first. Fuck that picture.

People often criticize Walt's motives, well this final conflict with Mike came down to respect--a cause more ancient than drugs or money or freedom. A "bad guy" would have planned to kill Mike outright to solve obvious problems. A man, especially in this business, snatches respect when it's owed to him.
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I would rather deal with a cold blooded killer than someone who is so stupid that they would kill someone because they made them feel small

What a fucking joke.
 
ToyMachine228 said:
This is the direction I saw hints of as well. When he shot Mike, you could see the old "Mr. White" in him. He was fumbling old Walt again. His facial expressions, the "I just realized I could have got the names from Lydia" thing. I felt like he was actually realizing, "I didn't just kill someone to protect myself or family, I legitimately murdered someone, with no real cause to do so. I think he's going to come back down to Earth, but like you said, he's trapped himself. He basically HAS to be Heisenberg in order to survive. It will certainly be interesting to see where we go from here. Too bad we only have one more episode and then we have to wait for another year.
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Yeah, he was running around funny etc. Heisenberg would have just strode over authoritatively.
 
KingGondo said:
On a side note, consider my mind blown that there was such a thing as "Team Walt" before last night. He crossed over from sympathetic to despicable seasons ago.

I hope Gilligan pulls a Sopranos on the Walt sympathizers and doesn't let them get the satisfaction of seeing him go out in a blaze of glory.
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Seasons, as in more than one? So Season 3?

WTF did he do in Season 3 that was despicable? Skyler was the real villain that season anyway.

He never crossed the line until the Brock poisoning, IMO.
 
Puddles said:
Seasons, as in more than one? So Season 3?

WTF did he do in Season 3 that was despicable? Skyler was the real villain that season anyway.

He never crossed the line until the Brock poisoning, IMO.
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Even his initial decision to start cooking meth, while understandable given the circumstances, is hugely questionable morally. He knows that he's profiting from the despair and addiction of others from the very beginning.

Even if you ignore the meth production/dealing, in season 2 he lets Jane die, and in season 3 he orders the murder of Gale. Those are the two big ones, along with the small crimes, lies, and betrayals (especially of his family) that are constant throughout the series.
 
Have to say after this last episode I am not on Walt his side anymore. I support Jesse, Walt J r and Hank cause they are the only normal people left so far.
 
I'm not even mad because he killed Mike, he was an annoying and stubborn character, seriously never really loved him like most of you. But the way Walt killed him. The reasons behind pulling the trigger, and his attitude towards Jesse. This episode marked the death of Walter to me, more than anything else.
 
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The people that think skylar was a villian are insane misogynists.
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I know it's a fool's errand to argue with Puddles, but that defense of Walt was insane.

One of the great things about shows like BB and The Sopranos is that they really expose the deepest, darkest feelings of "ordinary" people. Misogyny and enjoyment of sociopathic behavior on full display.
 
Puddles said:
You know, Mike's tirade actually makes no sense.

He says that if Walt had just kept his head down and worked for Gus, everything would have been fine. That was exactly the plan until Jesse confronted the dealers who had murdered Tomas. After Walt intervened in that confrontation, there was no going back to the old status quo.
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It doesn't have to make total sense. Mike has his perspective as someone who pushed a steady operation for years without Walt's help. Walt was the product of his contradictions, one of which was his (at the time) inseparability from Jesse, who had his own vulnerabilities. I think that's why Mike's rant cut so deep for Walt, it was partially true and partially touched on areas which he couldn't control. The latter being the most sensitive area for one who has to pretend to be in complete control of his mini-empire.
 
hm, i've been going through his filmography and i'm not sure what i know him of. i think i'm confusing him with someone else who resembles him.
 
bud said:
hm, i've been going through his filmography and i'm not sure what i know him of. i think i'm confusing him with someone else who resembles him.
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He's been in a ton of stuff. I can't place him from anything in particular, but undoubtedly I've seen him a lot before.
 
I had this sickening feeling in my stomach this entire episode. I knew that Mike was gonna be gone.

Although we did see *some* regret/shock from Walt that I haven't seen since season 2(?), that one fucking line about getting the names from Lydia...wow. You just shot a man and all you could think about was you.

What a moron.
 
SketchTheArtist said:
Plus Todd wrote down the entire way to do Walt's meth. This does not bode well for Walt. O_O
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I am not sure Todd would be able to replicate it from notes, BUT, Todd is definitely a wild card here. I can't help but think those "prison connections" will come into play somehow.
 
Tl;dr next episode, todd uses prison connections to kill frings employees, gets caught, incriminating notes are found, possibly gets into a firefight with police / hank.
 
The scene of him looking at his granddaughter and not able to say goodbye was worse for me. :(

His last line was perfect though.

The Assassination of Mike Ehrmantraut by the Coward Walter White
 
Dany M said:
The scene of him looking at his granddaughter and not able to say goodbye was worse for me. :(
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I was just about to post this. Maybe even worse than his death.

We've seen Mike all these seasons as someone who doesn't show a lot of emotion. Anger, once or twice maybe. But he's been so stoic.

That shot while he was looking at his grandaughter-was truly heart breaking. That one glimpse of sadness and pain that he was leaving his granddaughter was worse than his actual death.
 
KingGondo said:
Even his initial decision to start cooking meth, while understandable given the circumstances, is hugely questionable morally. He knows that he's profiting from the despair and addiction of others from the very beginning.

Even if you ignore the meth production/dealing, in season 2 he lets Jane die, and in season 3 he orders the murder of Gale. Those are the two big ones, along with the small crimes, lies, and betrayals (especially of his family) that are constant throughout the series.
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Gale meant jack-shit. Him or them. They did what was necessary. Jane is kind of an argument, but she was likely dead anyway.

Also, Subprime and Gondo, the misogyny accusations are really over the line.
 
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