Breaking Bad - Season 5, Part 1 - Sundays on AMC

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Again, Breaking Bad is what happens when someone at their lowest point in life finds empowerment at the expense of others.

The idea that a death sentence will automatically lead a man to cherish his loved ones and seek redemption in their eyes is being deconstructed.
 
I feel like people are far too lenient with Walt's actions. If he was a person you knew in real life you'd bail the fuck out of their life ASAP. The fact so many people have liked him up until this season boggles my mind.

It's not real life though. That's the difference.

It's fiction. It doesn't make someone a bad person if you support the bad guy in a work of fiction. In real life, sure, but if it's made up, who cares?
 
There's too much emphasis on Hank lately getting nowhere with his investigation that he has to strike on something big and soon. I'm sure that's where next week's episode focus is on, the lawyer that 'flipped' on Mike, but Hank will find out something big before the end of next week's episode for sure. Can't wait!
 
Jesse has turned on Walt 4 or 5 times now. Basically, we're now waiting on Jesse to come back to Walt.

I know that, but I meant in the final season though. I really don't anticipate Jesse coming back to Walt and start cooking with him again... this is it.

I feel like people are far too lenient with Walt's actions. If he was a person you knew in real life you'd bail the fuck out of their life ASAP. The fact so many people have liked him up until this season boggles my mind.

Because it's a TV show. Same reason people like watching / rooting for guys like Tony Soprano... makes for good television.
 
But anyway, Amir0x and I have had this discussion many time with people and it seemed like back then we were the only two who though he was a piece of shit, so I don't have much desire to do it all over again!

You were one of the people who came out as anti-Walt back in Season 3? I hated those people. ;)

Those were simpler days. 90% of the viewership despised Skyler. No matter what Walt did, "At least he didn't fuck Ted" was the trump card. No one really innocent had died yet.

Goddamn you, Vince Gilligan.
 
I hope next episode has an awesome scene where Walt is doing something normal while there is a montage happening at the same time of all the people being killed in prison, lol.

Godfather style.
 
It's not real life though. That's the difference.

It's fiction. It doesn't make someone a bad person if you support the bad guy in a work of fiction. In real life, sure, but if it's made up, who cares?

It doesn't make you a bad person to support him if you realise that he's a scumbag character and that's what you want to do, but the show is so grounded in reality that I judge people on the show by my own morals. I've enjoyed Walt immensely as a character, but as a heinous person who deserves everything he gets.

The troubling thing has been people justifying his actions as if his character is a good person who shouldn't be criticised/hated. People use real world morality to try and argue that his actions aren't actually bad on this forum and that is actually worrying.
 
I hope next episode has an awesome scene where Walt is doing something normal while there is a montage happening at the same time of all the people being killed in prison, lol.

Godfather style.

Too bad they can't have him attend a baptism.

It doesn't make you a bad person to support him if you realise that he's a scumbag character and that's what you want to do, but the show is so grounded in reality that I judge people on the show by my own morals. I've enjoyed Walt immensely as a character, but as a heinous person who deserves everything he gets.

The troubling thing has been people justifying his actions as if his character is a good person who shouldn't be criticised/hated. People use real world morality to try and argue that his actions aren't actually bad on this forum and that is actually worrying.

There are multiple levels of bad. Would I want my future kid to emulate Walt? No. Would I call the cops on Walt if I found him hiding in my backyard? Up until he poisoned Brock, no. I honestly don't think he was that bad a guy until this season.
 
It doesn't make you a bad person to support him if you realise that he's a scumbag character and that's what you want to do, but the show is so grounded in reality that I judge people on the show by my own morals. I've enjoyed Walt immensely as a character, but as a heinous person who deserves everything he gets.

The troubling thing has been people justifying his actions as if his character is a good person who shouldn't be criticised/hated. People use real world morality to try and argue that his actions aren't actually bad on this forum and that is actually worrying.

Up until the Brock poisoning there has been a lot of grey area... Jane's death is probably the strongest argument but it was kind of inevitable and at least he showed remorse. But this season there isn't any more grey. Walt is absolutely in the wrong and needs to get got.
 
There are multiple levels of bad. Would I want my future kid to emulate Walt? No. Would I call the cops on Walt if I found him hiding in my backyard? Up until he poisoned Brock, no. I honestly don't think he was that bad a guy until this season.

Well, let's just say you're somebody I definitely wouldn't want in a position where being a judge of character is important ;)

Can't we all just agree the heist episode was fantastic? Let's unite with that one opinion.
 
Something that I find really funny is Saul being upset at Mike for not having him represent him...as if the DEA wouldn't have tailed Saul???

Hank was in a position that no matter who Mikes lawyer was he was going to tail him, would have gotten caught making the same drops and then would have implicated everyone, Jesse and Walt.

Unless Saul would just hold onto the money himself or give it to the families directly.

Edit: Who am I kidding? He would have bought some Laser Tag place with it. lol
 
How was Walt's pride and ego the reason everything went to shit? Wasn't it him saving Jesse and killing those two dealers?

The moment he refused Gretchen and Eliot's offer everything was about his pride and ego. He had a way out right at the beginning, no different from the $5mil out he just had.

Whether you think that's a valid justification for everything he's done or not, that's pretty much fact.
 
Up until the Brock poisoning there has been a lot of grey area... Jane's death is probably the strongest argument but it was kind of inevitable and at least he showed remorse. But this season there isn't any more grey. Walt is absolutely in the wrong and needs to get got.

There was also having his neighbor go into his house when he thought there might be hitmen in there. He was nervous enough watching that he'd clearly considered she might not be coming back out. Kind of a dick move.
 
Let's unite with that one opinion.

It's nice to dream but you're better off just slowly backing away from the thread, at least on a regular contributing basis. Worked wonders for me. It's nice to see this episode shook a lot of the die hards out of their morality comas but overall there's still a pro-psychopath, anti-victim vibe that, at least for me, just became too poisonous to interact with on a regular basis.

Special bonus is that it's actually fun to pop into the thread every now and then.
 
My biggest problem with the show is they turned Walts character into an irrational megalomaniac, and now as the audience we are stuck counting the minutes until his inevitable death.
 
It's nice to dream but you're better off just slowly backing away from the thread, at least on a regular contributing basis. Worked wonders for me. It's nice to see this episode shook a lot of the die hards out of their morality comas but overall there's still a pro-psychopath, anti-victim vibe that, at least for me, just became too poisonous to interact with on a regular basis.

Special bonus is that it's actually fun to pop into the thread every now and then.

Well I'm just back from a three month ban so I've been casually reading it without being able to say it for that long :P

Very well put though, I agree entirely. The Skyler hate is just as boggling, but that's an even touchier subject here with people so I didn't want to mention how she's a huge victim and her breakdown was completely justifiable and understandable. She's in a living hell right now.
 
Something that I find really funny is Saul being upset at Mike for not having him represent him...as if the DEA wouldn't have tailed Saul???

Hank was in a position that no matter who Mikes lawyer was he was going to tail him, would have gotten caught making the same drops and then would have implicated everyone, Jesse and Walt.

Unless Saul would just hold onto the money himself or give it to the families directly.

Edit: Who am I kidding? He would have bought some Laser Tag place with it. lol

Saul would have caught on to bank lady's odd behavior and not followed through with the deposit. No getting caught with the cash, no lengthy DEA interrogation.

Granted Saul couldn't know the specifics, but I think the general idea that Saul was better equipped for that kind of job is probably true.
 
That probably is a security camera.

But.

Walt kind of had his back turned to it when he was putting/taking out the bug.

And putting in the ethernet thing was under the desk, so it probably didn't catch him either.

Hank will see it, and wonder WTF Walt was doing.
 
Haven't had a chance to catch up on this thread. How much skylar hate did this thread generate from the two minutes she was on screen this week?
 
Haven't had a chance to catch up on this thread. How much skylar hate did this thread generate from the two minutes she was on screen this week?

None. She's just a sad wreck of a human being now. Gilligan is trying to make everyone sympathize with her. I.F.T. seems like a hundred years ago.
 
Saul would have caught on to bank lady's odd behavior and not followed through with the deposit. No getting caught with the cash, no lengthy DEA interrogation.

Granted Saul couldn't know the specifics, but I think the general idea that Saul was better equipped for that kind of job is probably true.

I do agree with that but I just don't see how he is able to prevent the DEA involvement.

A positive that I see is that he is already representing the 9 men whose families the money would be going to, so if he did feel DEA heat he could calmly tell them to keep there silence and keep them aware of the situation. Not like this other lawyer could legally make contact with those men.

Still, I see it ending bad as well. Hank is really all over them with this shit.
 
The problem with that camera angle being a hidden camera is that it's not stationary. It wobbles a certain amount, which suggests it's just a artistic shot rather than implying anything special. That's my take anyway. The camera in Gus' lab was definitely stationary, with stable movement as it panned to follow Walt and Jesse. Also, I believe there was some sort of indicator on screen, or at least the audio was muted to reflect the location of the camera. The audio in that scene (I just rewatched it) was the same as the rest of the scene. The only audio from that angle was Gomie knocking on the door and saying something, and it sounded just like the audio before and after. PEACE.
 
This t-shirt design is funny.

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for some reason when they said they were goign to tail Mike's lawyer I thought they meant Saul... which would lead them to Walt and Jesse.

Because didn't Saul represent him for the restraining order? A bit confused by the whole situation.
 
Saw a tweet that made me think Saul got got last night.. pissed me off that someone had possibly spoiled the episode for me. The actual ending was pretty unexpected (well, not in the context of the episode, but going in). Loving Jesse Plemons as Todd.. so good.
 
Saul would have caught on to bank lady's odd behavior and not followed through with the deposit. No getting caught with the cash, no lengthy DEA interrogation.

Granted Saul couldn't know the specifics, but I think the general idea that Saul was better equipped for that kind of job is probably true.

I think Mike's rationale was to keep separation from the other guys. The other 9 are represented by Saul, so it's one less connection to Mike, since he's the one charged with compensating them in the case of an emergency. That was my understanding anyway. Still, maybe he should have had another lawyer on retainer to handle just the money drops, in case the heat got close. PEACE.
 
for some reason when they said they were goign to tail Mike's lawyer I thought they meant Saul... which would lead them to Walt and Jesse.

Because didn't Saul represent him for the restraining order? A bit confused by the whole situation.

Mike is represented by Saul, but all the other guys are represented by Mr. Cake Bribe. But Mike was also using him for the safety deposit box drops. Probably because he's the contact for the guys receiving the drops.

If Mike had used someone else for the drops it wouldn't have led them to him. One more mistake Mike made since getting shot.
 
for some reason when they said they were goign to tail Mike's lawyer I thought they meant Saul... which would lead them to Walt and Jesse.

Because didn't Saul represent him for the restraining order? A bit confused by the whole situation.

They're going after the 9 guys' lawyer. They all shared the more incompetent guy.
 
when he got caught though he wasn't adding any money to her box so thats the reason it could still be safe.

Can't DEA seize accounts attached to a name? The lawyer would have all the keys for those accounts, and they'd find it anyway. Plus, he rolled on Mike regardless. He'd give up the honeypot. PEACE.
 
Can't DEA seize accounts attached to a name? The lawyer would have all the keys for those accounts, and they'd find it anyway. Plus, he rolled on Mike regardless. He'd give up the honeypot. PEACE.

They're not accounts, they're deposit boxes. And probably not in his name (they'd be in the recipients' name, probably). The ones he got her to open that time, they probably have probable cause for. But probably not the Kaylee one, unless the woman with the bank key told them about it.
 
It's too long ago to remember when exactly, but as soon as it got to be about his power trip and not being a desperate man with cancer, which was pretty early on, is when Walt went from a sympathetic character to a scumbag for me. It's hard to like someone when they're in the meth/killing/crime business, shockingly.

I feel like people are far too lenient with Walt's actions. If he was a person you knew in real life you'd bail the fuck out of their life ASAP. The fact so many people have liked him up until this season boggles my mind.

But anyway, Amir0x and I have had this discussion many time with people and it seemed like back then we were the only two who though he was a piece of shit, so I don't have much desire to do it all over again!

I wouldn't want to be near anyone from BB in rl, including Mike which we are now crying for apparently. Thankfully, some realize that this is just a TV show, lol...
 
It's pretty hilarious the kinds of lawyers these guys are using despite how much money they have got and how careful they are (especially Mike). Compare that to Avon/String in The Wire lol.

Saul is pretty much one of those low end TV lawyers. He made sense in terms of when Jesse and Walt were starting out but the fact he's still there is kind of ridiculous (though I and everyone else loves him which is probably why they kept him around).

I still like that idea someone had of having a Saul spin off with him handling hilarious/stupid domestic cases with the occasional very serious Walt and Jesse pop ins just to contrast how ridiculous the situation is lol.
 
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