Breaking Bad - Season 5, Part 1 - Sundays on AMC

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Zeliard said:
I think Walt has been pathetic the entire time. He tries to become this Heisenberg character, and it's just that, a character, a form of acting complete with costume change. It's a facade he puts on to appear tougher and more in-control than he really is. Walt's basically been winging it all along and has become more destructive to himself and others over time. 

Jesse leaving was hurtful to Walt's pride, his sense of routine, and his whole "empire" build-up, but as we saw this ep, he tried to overcome that very quickly, almost reflexively. He simply used another young guy as someone to mentor over and to act as basically a surrogate Jesse, and continued forward. He doesn't tend to let things stop him for long. 

When it comes to Mike's death, Walt will do what he eventually always does when he's the cause of some unfortunate act: he'll rationalize it and move on. With the events surrounding Jesse, Mike, and everyone and everything else, Walt views them as temporary stumbling blocks, and his defense mechanism continuously pops in to fix the problem and he moves on. And now you're starting to see him truly crack as all of the pressure from that builds up; the fidgety, hesitant Walt you saw shoot Mike shows he's starting to crumble to some extent, and that he won't be able to keep the masquerade up for much longer.

Walt can't allow anything to stop his forward momentum in any way because he'll then actually have to consider all of the actions he's taken in the series. The guy went off the rails a long time ago and that train is about to crash hard.
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Man, it's amazing how opposite your view of Walt is from mine on this. To me he's always been heisenberg and his 'bumbling/pathetic' side is a mask for much deeper problems with his psyche. He's always been a liar and able to rationalize the most heinous things. It took getting cancer to drive him to do what he really wanted, but I have no doubt he's exactly where he wants to be and he's comfortable with everything he's ever done.

Sometimes he seems shocked or shaky at what he's just done, but there's always this glaze over his eyes as he realizes just how easy it is for him to do things other people find shocking. His face with Mike's gun to his head in the last episode? To me that's the true face of Walter White.

Also if they renew this show I won't watch an episode past its real ending. This show *needs* to end, and anything less than a real ending would be a failing its audience.
 
TrumanBurbank said:
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I think I just found something more creepy than "Multiple Guses" theory.
 
what if

what if

the cold opener from this season is the ending of the entire series/last few minutes from the season finale.

That Walt keeps going on, alone, fighting for his life, killing people on the way.

Kinda poignant and ultimately fitting for this character. He just has to keep running away. Away from the people he wanted to provide for.

Killing him off would be too conventional. Scarface like shootout doesnt fit the tone of the series, and the "foreshadow" is probably just a throw off.
 
dmshaposv said:
what if

what if

the cold opener from this season is the ending of the entire series/last few minutes from the season finale.

That Walt keeps going on, alone, fighting for his life, killing people on the way.

Kinda poignant and ultimately fitting for this character. He just has to keep running away.

Killing him off would be too conventional. Scarface like shootout doesnt fit the tone of the series, and the "foreshadow" is probably just a throw off.
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Sounds plausible. A big lead up to impossible odds, probably for revenge, cancer riddling his system. A last ditch effort to redeem his humanity, and it ends on the opening of the trunk.
 
dmshaposv said:
what if

what if

the cold opener from this season is the ending of the entire series/last few minutes from the season finale.

That Walt keeps going on, alone, fighting for his life, killing people on the way.

Kinda poignant and ultimately fitting for this character. He just has to keep running away. Away from the people he wanted to provide for.

Killing him off would be too conventional. Scarface like shootout doesnt fit the tone of the series, and the "foreshadow" is probably just a throw off.
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I don't think it's thaaaat final.

It is definitely something that is not what it seems though. Like Walt isn't on the run or hiding from the cops or anything at all, but in fact hunting someone or looking to fuck up some one else's operation, like Tony Montana in somebody else's mansion.

The prey becomes the predator.
 
I would say that opening shows Walt as on the run / in hiding. He looks absolutely beat. He's grown his hair back, everything about his Heisenberg persona is gone in that opening. That's not Walt as normal, he's left his safety circle for sure.
 
Cornballer said:
My understanding of the situation: AMC wanted more seasons. Gilligan wanted to end the series after one more season of 13 episodes. They compromised by going with 16 more episodes that were split into two sets of eight so AMC has the show on the air for another two years.
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Ok, that makes sense. Thanks.
 
maharg said:
Man, it's amazing how opposite your view of Walt is from mine on this. To me he's always been heisenberg and his 'bumbling/pathetic' side is a mask for much deeper problems with his psyche. He's always been a liar and able to rationalize the most heinous things. It took getting cancer to drive him to do what he really wanted, but I have no doubt he's exactly where he wants to be and he's comfortable with everything he's ever done.

Sometimes he seems shocked or shaky at what he's just done, but there's always this glaze over his eyes as he realizes just how easy it is for him to do things other people find shocking. His face with Mike's gun to his head in the last episode? To me that's the true face of Walter White.

Also if they renew this show I won't watch an episode past its real ending. This show *needs* to end, and anything less than a real ending would be a failing its audience.
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I agree with you totally. If you look back at the flashbacks to when Walter was at Grey Matter (the scene working with Gretchen) and when he was house shopping with Skyler, the building arrogance is clearly evident. His adopting the persona of Heisenberg is really Walter just revealing his true self. And he is a bastard.
 
Wow. I bursted out laughing when Walt said
to Mike that "i just realised i could've got those nine names from Lydia..."
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He's gone wreckless in every way. Wow...
 
THE-Pink-Dagger said:
Man, I really don't see the show ending in 9 episodes, IMO, thEy could totally do another season, feels like there's so much stuff to be resolved.
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I wouldn't want them to do a new season. I'll miss this show for sure but the final 8 episodes is - IMO - plenty of time to end the show with. Another 8+ episodes would be overkill for me.

I find it fitting. I also don't like the idea of a film.
 
Holy shit, Walt's completely gone now. What's that Greek tragedy where everyone dies around a dude but in the end it's the living dude that suffered the most? The shows ending by leaving bad tastes in viewers mouths, but really how else can it end?

Also, they can easily end the show with the remaining episodes. It's pretty much all over. Walt needs to spend his final days in jail and die there.
 
Teetris said:
Holy shit, Walt's completely gone now. What's that Greek tragedy where everyone dies around a dude but in the end it's the living dude that suffered the most? The shows ending by leaving bad tastes in viewers mouths, but really how else can it end?

Also, they can easily end the show with the remaining episodes. It's pretty much all over. Walt needs to spend his final days in jail and die there.
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I think he's going all out. That's what that "flashforward" scene was for... What's to come, in the end of it all.
 
985boi said:
I just wonder how Jesse is gonna react when he hears about Mike's death.
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Unless Walt is astonishingly stupid, he's not going to. Mike was planning to vanish forever, Jesse's expecting him to vanish forever, the DEA thinks Mike's on the run, and it's in Walt's interest to have the DEA actively engaged in trying to hunt him down as long as possible.

He's got an in with the guys at that junkyard, and Todd's his new second-in-command, so it'd be strange for Walt to do anything at this point other than melt Mike's body and have his car destroyed.
 
Dean Norris needs to learn the art of subtlety. He has three or four different faces that he uses when appropriate. 'Sad face' when given disappointed news, 'oblivious to Walt face' when oblivious to Walt, 'serious detective face' when solving crimes and interrogating, and 'jokey Hank' face when the scene needs comedic relief.
 
that beginning part was bad ass. the lines in this show are classic.

I knew something will happen to Mike. if he just disappeared for the rest of the show it would have been good.

People still siding with Walt and saying F Skylar.
 
KMD said:
I would say that opening shows Walt as on the run / in hiding. He looks absolutely beat. He's grown his hair back, everything about his Heisenberg persona is gone in that opening. That's not Walt as normal, he's left his safety circle for sure.
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I think he'll finally take Saul up on that offer of disappearing and getting a new identity. Doesn't the waitressing the intro scene call him by another name? Also i thought Walt shows an ID for another state? Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly though.
 
UrbanRats said:
Walt will try to make it look less bad, telling him about Brock.. and to soften that blow he'll tell him about Jane.
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ill be majorly disappointed if Jesse never finds out these things. i can see Walt letting loose the secret about Brock and Jane in a fit of anger to try and hurt Jesse.
 
I just hope there's more motivation for Walt unleashing these bombs than just hubris or whatever. I want him to get caught in some shit, I want to see him squirm.
 
VegaNine said:
This may be my favorite episode of the show thus far, even though I had it figured scene-for-scene: the kingpins replacing Mike, Todd replacing Jesse, and Walt offing you-know-who. Only I thought you-know-who was gonna be killed by ricin (via a toast before parting ways).
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This could have been amazing. Have them eat together, show Mike eat the poison without knowing, and have the final shot of the episode Mike getting on a plane away from everything...

Still loved this ep though. Mike :(
 
Socreges said:
Dean Norris needs to learn the art of subtlety. He has three or four different faces that he uses when appropriate. 'Sad face' when given disappointed news, 'oblivious to Walt face' when oblivious to Walt, 'serious detective face' when solving crimes and interrogating, and 'jokey Hank' face when the scene needs comedic relief.
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There's this face, but he's used it once
 
water_wendi said:
ill be majorly disappointed if Jesse never finds out these things. i can see Walt letting loose the secret about Brock and Jane in a fit of anger to try and hurt Jesse.
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It keeps building up to which I love about it. It is getting ready for it to slip. Once it slips it will be a shit house. I would love a team up of Skyler and Jesse. Fuck it even a Jesse and Hank team up will be godly.
 
All the things that Jesse doesn't know about have to be revealed, I'd be GREATLY surprised if not. I think its a matter of whether Walt will reveal them in a fit of rage, or in a remorseful manner akin to "The Fly."

The ricin must play some role still. I mean, couldn't Walt have just thrown it away in some random garbage can instead of hiding it behind his electricity socket?
 
What if the camera view in Hank's office WAS a camera, but it belongs to Walt, so the season ends with him masturbating to himself?
 
stn said:
All the things that Jesse doesn't know about have to be revealed, I'd be GREATLY surprised if not. I think its a matter of whether Walt will reveal them in a fit of rage, or in a remorseful manner akin to "The Fly."

The ricin must play some role still. I mean, couldn't Walt have just thrown it away in some random garbage can instead of hiding it behind his electricity socket?
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Everything comes back in this show no matter what it is. They pay attention to detail in everything no way they will just toss away the ricin without a scene for it.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
I just hope there's more motivation for Walt unleashing these bombs than just hubris or whatever. I want him to get caught in some shit, I want to see him squirm.
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Agreed. Mike, in the grand scheme of things, was minor enough to have been sacrificed to Walt's ego. How Walt's conflicts with Skylar, Jesse, and Hank are resolved surely demand more substance. These are threads that have been festering and evolving across seasons and can be no less than landmark moments in the series to even begin to live up to expectations.

Gilligan definitely has a lot of ground to cover in 423 minutes. I hope he pulls it off.
 
CrankyJay said:
They have no worthy successors to this or Mad Men, do they? DO THEY?!
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They have a couple things in the pipe that look promising, but it's looking more and more like they just got lucky with MM and BB. A lot of the decisions they've made since becoming a public company have been worrying, as well.

Stet said:
I hope they don't extend it. Shows are always better when they end on a high note. I'll miss it, but I'd rather remember it fondly.
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Me too. The show needs to have a firm conclusion that completes the story. I'm getting a little tired of concept of tacking on a movie or more episodes with many shows these days. It's extremely unlikely to ever happen and can potentially screw up the end game if things are written with some sort of an epilogue in mind.

TrumanBurbank said:
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Terrifying.
 
I love this show but I'm glad it's coming to an end. Where we're at now with the characters, it's not enjoyable for the same reasons, and more because we know this is all wrapping up. Everything and everyone has fallen apart, and we're in the final stretch. Extending it for another season would be overkill.

The tension and moment to moment brilliance has once again hit a new level with this season though, and that's down to just excellent storytelling. I'm also in the camp that believes the opening shot of the season will be part of the final ever episode. If I had to guess I'd say the opening scene of that episode.
 
IF it wasn't obvious before it's even more obvious now that Breaking Bad will have problems tying everything up all nice and perfect in the next 8-9 episodes. Maybe They should have considered a 6th season but with less episodes after all.

Personally I don't know if a movie would really give it justice.
 
Gorillaz said:
IF it wasn't obvious before it's even more obvious now that Breaking Bad will have problems tying everything up all nice and perfect in the next 8-9 episodes. Maybe They should have considered a 6th season but with less episodes after all.

Personally I don't know if a movie would really give it justice.
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No way. 9 episodes is overkill for the amount of stuff they've got to clear up, which is basically the Hank, Jesse, Skylar and kids triangle. I'm pretty sure you could dedicate an episode to each one and it'd be enough.

The show needs to conclude, and I'm glad it's doing it in the next 9 episodes. The characters are done for, they've run out of juice, and they're ready to die out (not literally). That's not a criticism, if anything it's a compliment, but they've just run their course and finished their journey.

Walt's batshit insane.

Skylar's done with any sort of relationship.

Jesse has finished making Meth.

Hank has climbed to the top of his profession.

All we need are revelations, reactions and my overall guess at the conclusion:

Walt committing suicide.
 
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