Breaking Bad - Season 5, Part 1 - Sundays on AMC

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important plot points IMO:

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-walt's secret manipulations of jesse (jane, brock)
-walt's watch
-mike's guys in prison, the lawyer
-lydia
-todd's prison connections and flying a bit too close to the sun
-skyler, jesse, saul are all hateful/scared of walt
-walt's made himself into a murderer while hank's been forced to kill in self defense. the similarity of walt vs. the kid killers and hank vs. the cousins can't be a coincidence. plot armor for both of them is off soon.
-the ying/yang symbolism: the teddy bear. gus after the explosion. i saw it return sometime this season when he cut himself whilst shaving - the blood ran down between the shaving cream and clean part of his head.
-future walt
 
Great episode. For those of you still doubting that Walt is nutballs, that scene at the end with Mike is a textbook example of a narcissistic injury and violent response.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
Nah I don't see a scenario where that ever makes sense. You don't come back for that. It has to be either for someone or something, or a general death wish against the cartel or other criminals.
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walt doesn't have combat skills and an M60 isn't needed for a single murder. he's going on a rampage. i can't imagine he's going against criminals as the important ones (gus, the cartel) are gone. no sensible person needs an M60 for anything.
 
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I wonder if Jesse will somehow get linked to Mike and then the DEA will somehow figure out that Jesse bought that fancy watch.

Hank will then wonder why walt is still hanging around Jesse.
 
pigeon said:
Great episode. For those of you still doubting that Walt is nutballs, that scene at the end with Mike is a textbook example of a narcissistic injury and violent response.
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It's still not as bad as what he did to Gale or Brock. At least he knows he fucked up good on this one. He didn't feel anything for a bumbling chemist in over his head or an innocent child.

The way he talks to Saul, Jesse, etc. is more troubling. This insanely stupid empire building shit. Almost believing in the cancer spreading to his brain theory since Jesse did bring it up in S3 about how it drove his aunt or whatever nuts over an opossum.
 
Persona7 said:
I wonder if Jesse will somehow get linked to Mike and then the DEA will somehow figure out that Jesse bought that fancy watch.

Hank will then wonder why walt is still hanging around Jesse.
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Hank will not touch Jesse at all. Just because of what happened between them.
 
THE-Pink-Dagger said:
Man, I really don't see the show ending in 9 episodes, IMO, thEy could totally do another season, feels like there's so much stuff to be resolved.
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Just had a thought... What if the remaining 9 episodes each revolve around taking out one of Mike's nine guys. One hit per episode.
 
beastmode said:
It's still not as bad as what he did to Gale or Brock. At least he knows he fucked up good on this one. He didn't feel anything for a bumbling chemist in over his head or an innocent child.
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He doesn't feel anything for Mike either. He cares only inasmuch as it was a bruise to his ego.
 
Sean said:
Just had a thought... What if the remaining 9 episodes each revolve around taking out one of Mike's nine guys. One hit per episode.
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No fucking way they do that. Especially since they mentioned Todd has someone in prison already. We no idea what will happen these next 8. Next all we know something big will happen and these last 7 set the motion then the final just end it with a bang. Thing with this show is slow moving and we just passed his 51st birthday.
 
Zeliard said:
He doesn't feel anything for Mike either. He cares only inasmuch as it was a bruise to his ego.
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http://youtu.be/T0M2D0HD9M4?t=1m50s try and remember the last time you've seen walt like this after someones death. fairly certainly that's the most he's been shaken up since jane.
THE-Pink-Dagger said:
Man, I really don't see the show ending in 9 episodes, IMO, thEy could totally do another season, feels like there's so much stuff to be resolved.
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the show should've ended a while ago. season 4 was a crawl, should've been half as long.
-Pyromaniac- said:
There is definitely gonna be either one big time jump or a series of time jumps in the second half to make up ground. I wonder how they'll do that as well.

So many questions.
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it's almost certain that the one year later era will be after the jump to sync it with the real life time gap.
 
smokeymicpot said:
No fucking way they do that. Especially since they mentioned Todd has someone in prison already. We no idea what will happen these next 8. Next all we know something big will happen and these last 7 set the motion then the final just end it with a bang. Thing with this show is slow moving and we just passed his 51st birthday.
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There is definitely gonna be either one big time jump or a series of time jumps in the second half to make up ground. I wonder how they'll do that as well.

So many questions.
 
beastmode said:
http://youtu.be/T0M2D0HD9M4?t=1m50s try and remember the last time you've seen walt like this after someones death. fairly certainly that's the most he's been shaken up since jane.
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The Jane he allowed to die in front of his eyes simply, much like with Brock, in an attempt to manipulate Jesse?

Walt doesn't truly care very much. Everything he does is in service to himself and he has a tendency to rationalize it all away. Do you think Mike's death is going to keep him up at night?
 
Zeliard said:
The Jane he allowed to die in front of his eyes simply, much like with Brock, in an attempt to manipulate Jesse?

Walt doesn't truly care very much. Everything he does is in service to himself and he has a tendency to rationalize it all away. Do you think Mike's death is going to keep him up at night?
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um, of course he let her die, and it racked him up. can you comprehend the idea that you can do something evil (in the supposed) service of something good? (protecting jesse, his 'nephew' at the time.) he had absolutely no remorse for what happened to gale or brock. i have no idea what it is you are trying to argue. he is clearly very regretful - calling back to how mike said he's "sorry" but that walt had to die (mike didn't.)
 
Well, Walt is definitely not going to just leave Mike there dead right?

He definitely won't involve Jessie , not sure if he would involve Todd.

Unless he does leave him there. Maybe try to play it off on Jessie as being a hit by that other meth crew.


Hmmm, was Walt wearing his watch during that last scene?
 
Persona7 said:
Well, Walt is definitely not going to just leave Mike there dead right?

He definitely won't involve Jessie , not sure if he would involve Todd.

Unless he does leave him there. Maybe try to play it off on Jessie as being a hit by that other meth crew.


Hmmm, was Walt wearing his watch during that last scene?
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He was not wearing the watch. That makes me think that he will be getting caught or something happens to Jesse. Even both plus something happening to his family since he is shaken up.
 
Persona7 said:
Well, Walt is definitely not going to just leave Mike there dead right?

He definitely won't involve Jessie , not sure if he would involve Todd.

Unless he does leave him there. Maybe try to play it off on Jessie as being a hit by that other meth crew.


Hmmm, was Walt wearing his watch during that last scene?
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When he shot Mike? Yeah, you can see it when he takes Mike's gun but I'm pretty sure that's not what you're asking.

Walt or Todd will probably put Mike in a barrel. Walt will tell Jesse and Saul that Mike got his stuff, then left New Mexico as planned.

edit: Idea: Mike actually was full of shit when he said that Gus had a good thing going. Gus took them to Mexico to kill everyone at an elite gathering of the cartel, almost resulting in the deaths of Gus and Mike (the backbone of the entire enterprise.) All for more profit/revenge. That's way crazier than anything Walt's proposed this season.
 
beastmode said:
um, of course he let her die, and it racked him up. can you comprehend the idea that you can do something evil (in the supposed) service of something good? (protecting jesse, his 'nephew' at the time.) he had absolutely no remorse for what happened to gale or brock. i have no idea what it is you are trying to argue. he is clearly very regretful - calling back to how mike said he's 'sorry' but that walt had to die (mike didn't.)
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Walt mercilessly mocked Jesse mourning Jane in this very episode as "locking himself up and getting high," to the extent that Jesse was on the verge of tears. I wouldn't call that a sign of great remorse on Walt's part.

Walt's largely out for himself. He manipulates others around him in a variety of devious ways to ultimately get what he wants. Jane's death and the Brock poisoning were both attempts at manipulating Jesse. Walt always ultimately rationalizes these events away as having been either necessary or unavoidable, and that includes the recent boy's death at the train tracks.
 
Zeliard said:
Walt mercilessly mocked Jesse mourning Jane in this very episode as "locking himself up and getting high," to the extent that Jesse was on the verge of tears. I wouldn't call that a sign of great remorse on Walt's part.

Walt's largely out for himself. He manipulates others around him in a variety of devious ways to ultimately get what he wants. Jane's death and the Brock poisoning were both attempts at manipulating Jesse. Walt always ultimately rationalizes these events away as having been either necessary or unavoidable, and that includes the recent boy's death at the train tracks.
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I said "since jane." It's clear that he's always viewed it as necessary, but he did have a something of a moral compass at the time: 'murder is wrong.' All I was saying is that Walt most certainly feels like a piece of shit for killing Mike, the likes of which he hasn't felt since Jane's death. You say he hasn't felt a thing for either because Walt is self-centered, but these are not mutually exclusive.
 
beastmode said:
When he shot Mike? Yeah, you can see it when he takes Mike's gun but I'm pretty sure that's not what you're asking.

Walt or Todd will probably put Mike in a barrel. Walt will tell Jesse and Saul that Mike got his stuff, then left New Mexico as planned.

edit: Idea: Mike actually was full of shit when he said that Gus had a good thing going. Gus took them to Mexico to kill everyone at an elite gathering of the cartel, almost resulting in the deaths of Gus and Mike (the backbone of the entire enterprise.) All for more profit/revenge. That's way crazier than anything Walt's proposed this season.
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A lot of what Mike said was bullshit but I think that was the point. He was just lashing out at Walt because of everything he has been through was all for nothing. Not all walts fault, as it's Gus' as well. Mostly Gus.
 
the last time walt coughed really bad it was just an inflammation and he took pills to make it better; his cancer was rapidly shrinking at the time.
 
beastmode said:
http://youtu.be/T0M2D0HD9M4?t=1m50s try and remember the last time you've seen walt like this after someones death. fairly certainly that's the most he's been shaken up since jane.the show should've ended a while ago. season 4 was a crawl, should've been half as long.it's almost certain that the one year later era will be after the jump to sync it with the real life time gap.
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You have to realize that this was also the first purely rage kill he's ever done. Every other kill had a benefit - protecting his family, elevating himself higher, protecting Jesse, protecting himself, etc. However, this occurs purely because Mike said some mean things to Walt. Walt's ego was bruised. That's why Mike died.
 
beastmode said:
walt doesn't have combat skills and an M60 isn't needed for a single murder. he's going on a rampage. i can't imagine he's going against criminals as the important ones (gus, the cartel) are gone. no sensible person needs an M60 for anything.
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Perhaps he's going against Hank and the police.
 
Remember when Jesse seemed the be the cause of every problem? The acid through the bathtub, leaving the keys in the ignition, being stoned right in front of Gus, leading Hank to the RV.

My, how times have changed.
 
rekameohs said:
Remember when Jesse seemed the be the cause of every problem? The acid through the bathtub, leaving the keys in the ignition, being stoned right in front of Gus, leading Hank to the RV.

My, how times have changed.
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I always thought that was the show's theming. That the show was about Jesse becoming better in nearly every way (by the very end that is), and Walt becoming worse. Jesse's aloofness and young arrogance rubs off on Walt, while Walt's old-age wisdom and commitment rubbed off on him.
 
A Link to the Snitch said:
I always thought that was the show's theming. That the show was about Jesse becoming better in nearly every way (by the very end that is), and Walt becoming worse. Jesse's aloofness and young arrogance rubs off on Walt, while Walt's old-age wisdom and commitment rubbed off on him.
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Yup. Jesse's "breaking good". Still a major criminal, but heart's turning right.
 
GavinGT said:
I've been wondering about the flash-forward scene. Walt has hair and he's coughing a lot again, so it seems like the cancer is back but he just doesn't have access to chemotherapy. It's curious that he would be taking prescription pills, though. Perhaps he's ready to die, but he just needs some pain medication to tide him over long enough to carry out his final task.
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Could be that, it does take place a year into the future.
 
A Link to the Snitch said:
You have to realize that this was also the first purely rage kill he's ever done. Every other kill had a benefit - protecting his family, elevating himself higher, protecting Jesse, protecting himself, etc. However, this occurs purely because Mike said some mean things to Walt. Walt's ego was bruised. That's why Mike died.
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Yep, that is why Mike died - and Walt's ashamed of it. He wishes he could be Mike or his initial impression of Gus: killing because it's necessary for the business. To follow a professional code. Now he's killed a 'colleague' because he didn't get the recognition he believes he deserves. Walt's not at the level of psychopathy yet to be immune to the effects of killing someone over nothing.
A Link to the Snitch said:
I always thought that was the show's theming. That the show was about Jesse becoming better in nearly every way (by the very end that is), and Walt becoming worse. Jesse's aloofness and young arrogance rubs off on Walt, while Walt's old-age wisdom and commitment rubbed off on him.
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Jesse's ending: modest finances, gets back together with Andrea, lives the peaceful family life Walt never appreciated.

edit: Some thoughts on Gus led to a Google search that got me this: http://www.reddit.com/r/breakingbad/comments/xjxq4/on_gus_madrigal_pinochet_and_nazilinked_germans/
Prediction: Lydia is scared of Walt after giving him the names of the prisoners who have to get got - so she tells the head of Madrigal (who's dirty) who killed Gus, and asks to put a hit out on Walt. They wouldn't doubt her after Walt set the Arizona dealers straight on who killed Gus. Think about it: the Cartel wouldn't kill Gus and the Schuler guy was obviously trying to get out of a fate worse than prison. Probably won't happen but I want a Gus flashback before the series is over :(
 
For all of you talking about the M60 thing, has it occurred to you that Walt may not actually be using the M60 in a way that most other people would? It may be part of a larger scheme that Walt is putting together. Like you said, it isn't practical to wield an M60. So perhaps he is building something that he needs an M60 for. Or parts of an M60 for. Walt is known for his crazy ideas like building that RV battery from nothing, making a bomb out of ordinary household items, cutting handcuffs with an electrical wire, etc. I would be surprised if he wasn't doing something non-traditional with it.
 
beastmode said:
All I was saying is that Walt most certainly feels like a piece of shit for killing Mike, the likes of which he hasn't felt since Jane's death. You say he hasn't felt a thing for either because Walt is self-centered, but these are not mutually exclusive.
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It's not just that he's self-centered, it's that he barely recognizes the depraved lengths he's gone to. The man is taking away lives and that fact never seems to register with him for very long. He shrugs things off and continues on his merry way.

Walt's "Lydia has the names" statement only reinforces that. Walt just killed a man and the only real reason he laments it comes down to it having been borne out of a "false" motivation. He's less concerned with killing Mike than he is with with his own rationale for killing him, as if Mike not divulging names was somehow a valid reason for him to die.
 
I really think Hank is the ultimate hero of this show. I cant remember, but there was an episode where I really enjoyed learning about his character-- he's more than a douchey redneck cop, he genuonely cares for his family and is the clean hero who ought to bring justice to the crime of Jesse and Walt.

Jesse's mental breakdown has been put in suspension lately, but I really see him ending up in jail-- this is something that Jesse is not made for, and a hell worse than death.

Two things:

1) Can you please put spoilers for other shows like Sopranos in spoiler brackets?
2) When did u guys start watching BB? I've been watching it for a while but have noticed BB and Dexter to have blown up the last 2 seasons.
 
TimeEffect said:
I really think Hank is the ultimate hero of this show. I cant remember, but there was an episode where I really enjoyed learning about his character-- he's more than a douchey redneck cop, he genuonely cares for his family and is the clean hero who ought to bring justice to the crime of Jesse and Walt.
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I hope he finds out about Walt, but then Walt corrupts him, too. How would it look anyway if he'd had this drug kingpin under his nose all along, and couldn't spot him? His career rise would be over, better help Walt so he doesn't get caught.

Team Walt is the winning team.
 
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