Final Fantasy 13 - A Storm Gathers

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CorvoSol said:
Nothing is changed in the end of the game.
At all. Cocoon still falls. Everything you worked for two games to prevent happens anyway, and why? Because Hope let's it. It was stupid to travel to the future when he had time traveling friends who could help him solve his problems without his needing to move into the future. And Hope lets Cocoon fall, despite him being smart enough to build a machine that Gods built. He had the technology and means to save Cocoon, and did not.
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Er...
he let the old Cocoon fall because he built an even better one. Nobody cared about the old one falling anymore.
 
CorvoSol said:
The following image sums up my problem with the end of the game precisely:



Nothing is changed in the end of the game.
At all. Cocoon still falls. Everything you worked for two games to prevent happens anyway, and why? Because Hope let's it. It was stupid to travel to the future when he had time traveling friends who could help him solve his problems without his needing to move into the future. And Hope lets Cocoon fall, despite him being smart enough to build a machine that Gods built. He had the technology and means to save Cocoon, and did not.

BUT! Even though you fail to save the future! Serah still dies because "changing the future changes the past paradox paradox paradox causes her brain to melt!" So even though I made no changes to time in any real way, Serah's pea-brain explodes and dies. So everything Lightning and Snow worked to do in FFXIII, and Fang and Vanille sacrificed for, is invalidated without good reason. Which is Toriyama's forte: doing drama without any reason.

And if that wasn't bad enough, then I have to hear Noel whine about how he killed the Goddess, even though, regardless of your choice, Caius kills himself. Noel's sword was used to do it, sure, but Noel was actively trying to STOP Caius from doing anything. The only reason he still had his hand on his sword was that. So no, Noel, can it. Caius killed the Goddess, not you.

FFXIII-2's ending is the first time in 20 years of playing these games that I have been so pissed off that I did not watch the credits and did not wait to see David "Ribs" Carillo's name. I'm thankful I played The Third Birthday, because it's the only thing that keeps me from pronouncing this the worst ending to a Square Enix game, ever.
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Wait, Cocoon was always going to fall. Crystal is not that indestructible (look how easily the Sanctum was able to extract Serah from it). By traveling to the future, Hope ensured that his plan worked. He flat out tells you he had nothing left in the past after his father died so he made the choice to move on. And he did succeed in the end. He was able to stop the fall of Cocoon from destroying the world's ecosystem (it was cushioned by a metashield of his design) and keep humanity safe in their own Cocoon, one built without the help of Fal Cie. It was his, and humanity's way of saying, "We don't need Fal Cie anymore. We are our own masters".

The release of Chaos at the end was a cliffhanger.
 
Toth said:
He was able to stop the fall of Cocoon from destroying the world's ecosystem (it was cushioned by a metashield of his design)
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And actually
the world was ruined/rendered lifeless by the scorching of the earth during the war after the fall.
 
Zoe said:
And actually
the world was ruined/rendered lifeless by the scorching of the earth during the war after the fall.
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Oh wait, Zoe,
wasn't this war what originally caused Cocoon to collapse in the first place? Something about weakening the crystal pillar....?
 
Toth said:
Oh wait, Zoe,
wasn't this war what originally caused Cocoon to collapse in the first place? Something about weakening the crystal pillar....?
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No,
Cocoon's fall left the people in disarray, and factions popped up.

Wasn't there even a resistance group while the Academy was doing its thing?
 
I blame the flans.

And then the release of the crystal structure which released the gas of death rending yuck yuck.

What I don't get is why didn't the people just migrate away from Cocoon? I mean come on now, staying under a life hazard isn't exactly smart, monsters on Pulse or not, they should have pulled out or got some L'cie/Fal'cie to help em out.
 
Meccanical said:
The thing is, if
Noel wasn't holding his sword so close to him in the first place Caius wouldn't be able to grab it

Dumb kid.
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Um...
its not dumb, usually people put swords in front of the defeated as a deterrent to keep them from acting any further. Who'd think he'd stab himself? :D
 
Esura said:
Um...
its not dumb, usually people put swords in front of the defeated as a deterrent to keep them from acting any further. Who'd think he'd stab himself? :D
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Should of got that Monkey Grip feat and held onto the thing instead of being weak and puny.

Caius Muscles>Noel Muscles
 
Toth said:
By traveling to the future, Hope ensured that his plan worked. He flat out tells you he had nothing left in the past after his father died so he made the choice to move on.
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Wait,
Hope's father died? Where in the game does it say that?
 
Shit, reading up on the mythology and stuff on the Final Fantasy wiki has me excited for this announcement, even if it turns out to be only a movie.


If its a shitty iOS game, though, I will be very upset...
 
Surely though,
if Noel let go of his sword before Caius stabbed himself with it, surely that would have meant that Noel technically didn't kill him? Why didn't he just do that? Sure you'd be left without a sword, but Caius needed Noel alive so it's not like Noel would be in danger.
 
Heh. iOS. We all know how TWEWY 2 went.

I've read that the same time they stream this event in Japan they are also doing a Video Presentation of it in Seattle on Aug.31st at the same time so that would be Friday/Saturday inbetween 10:30pm-2:30am for Western folk.

Course the person who posted this info wasn't kind enough to provide a source but it should be accurate.

Well Noel didn't throw the sword away so he must have allowed an attack of opportunity.
 
Andrefpvs said:
Wait,
Hope's father died? Where in the game does it say that?
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Hope informs Serah at some point. Not sure if he outright states it, or if it's just strongly implied - either when you meet him in 10AX and he's talking about how lonely he's been, or in 400AX, when he tells Serah that there was nothing left tying him to his original timeline, so jumping 400 years into the future was no biggie. Pretty sure it was in the latter scene, but I could be wrong

MagiusNecros said:
I've read that the same time they stream this event in Japan they are also doing a Video Presentation of it in Seattle on Aug.31st at the same time so that would be Friday/Saturday inbetween 10:30pm-2:30am for Western folk.

Course the person who posted this info wasn't kind enough to provide a source but it should be accurate.
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It's accurate.
 
MagiusNecros said:
And then GILGAMESH unfortunately wasn't around. Cuz his are even bigger.

Should have gave Noel Excalipoor.

Tsk tsk.
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Gilgamesh got beaten by Seifer...SEIFER in FFVIII though. :D

What's a Excalipoor?

Cjdamon042 said:
Surely though,
if Noel let go of his sword before Caius stabbed himself with it, surely that would have meant that Noel technically didn't kill him? Why didn't he just do that? Sure you'd be left without a sword, but Caius needed Noel alive so it's not like Noel would be in danger.
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Because
hindsight is 20/20. Caius stabbing himself with Noel's sword was an unknown unknown.
 
Esura said:
Gilgamesh got beaten by Seifer...SEIFER in FFVIII though. :D

What's a Excalipoor?



Because
hindsight is 20/20. Caius stabbing himself with Noel's sword was an unknown unknown.
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Seifer got beaten by GILGAMESH actually. In a single swipe. >_>

Excalipoor is a fake Excalibur which can never miss and always deals 1 damage unless thrown.
 
Zoe said:
Er...
he let the old Cocoon fall because he built an even better one. Nobody cared about the old one falling anymore.
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And in addition to that, it looked like
enough material had been removed from the old Cocoon over the centuries that it was just an empty shell when it fell. In the ending movie, you don't see the explosion you would expect when a planet-sized meteor hits the earth, and you can see that the settlements on Pulse are intact.
 
Zoe said:
Er...
he let the old Cocoon fall because he built an even better one. Nobody cared about the old one falling anymore.
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Why did they need a new one?
Hope let the old one fall and pollute the world below. Pulse was a sprawling, fertile world, and Hope abandoned it for a limited one of his making.

And the whole "We don't need Fal'Cie!" thing is silly, because Hope, of all people, went and made one anyway.

It was all an enormous waste of time, money, and resources.

And I don't buy that 500 years is enough time
to make a structure which has lasted 13000 years fall. Especially when that structure was just repainted with Crystal. Crystal doesn't deteriorate and fall apart in 500 years. That isn't how rocks work.
 
CorvoSol said:
Why did they need a new one?
Hope let the old one fall and pollute the world below. Pulse was a sprawling, fertile world, and Hope abandoned it for a limited one of his making.

And the whole "We don't need Fal'Cie!" thing is silly, because Hope, of all people, went and made one anyway.

It was all an enormous waste of time, money, and resources.

And I don't buy that 500 years is enough time
to make a structure which has lasted 13000 years fall. Especially when that structure was just repainted with Crystal. Crystal doesn't deteriorate and fall apart in 500 years. That isn't how rocks work.
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I dunno, maybe people still wanted the security and high tech that Cocoon provided. Pulse will never stop being dangerous.

The Hope who made a Fal'Cie is not the same as the Hope in AF500.

As for Cocoon's structure,
it was no longer floating. It had no Fal'Cie to provide power or other services. The pillar was the only thing supporting it, and various things such as the Flan were causing it to weather away.
 
idlethreats said:
Hope informs Serah at some point. Not sure if he outright states it, or if it's just strongly implied - either when you meet him in 10AX and he's talking about how lonely he's been, or in 400AX, when he tells Serah that there was nothing left tying him to his original timeline, so jumping 400 years into the future was no biggie. Pretty sure it was in the latter scene, but I could be wrong
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It's in 400 aF when Hope tells you about his father. Think it is one of the dialogue choices that reveal it.

And thank you for the clarification Z. So it is erroneously to see history does not change because without Noel and Serah's help,
humanity would have died out from the ruined wasteland and resulting war.
The scene at the end was meant as a cliffhanger and whatever happens in 13-3 will resolve this.

Also,
we do not know if everyone actually died. We see ships getting destroyed but no people being killed. Not that it would matter since it is a world without death...
 
M_Night said:
yes =(

please give us an update. even if it's a vague "please be patient" comment.
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You know that people are tired of those comments in any fashion for any game whatsoever. :P

Well, I know I am. Tired of devs waffling their way through interviews or whatever. I want to see gameplay and intricacies of said gameplay. Not CG trailers, not waffling interviews, etc.

MagiusNecros said:
I applaud the drunk Lightning talk. Since she obviously looks stoned.

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/18700000/FFXIII-2-Lightning-final-fantasy-xiii-18792693-438-700.jpg

Course she becomes one later on. So it isn't any secret.
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Alright, this made me laugh pretty hard. Thank you.
 
Dark Schala said:
You know that people are tired of those comments in any fashion for any game whatsoever. :P

Well, I know I am. Tired of devs waffling their way through interviews or whatever. I want to see gameplay and intricacies of said gameplay. Not CG trailers, not waffling interviews, etc..
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( ._.)
 
i guess they need to get their money's worth out of the engine and assets developed for XIII. still, i wish they'd move onto something NEW.
 
Kagari said:
( ._.)
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Noctis, Machina, and Rem will get their day. When SE decides to allow for it!

But for now...

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Dark Schala said:
You know that people are tired of those comments in any fashion for any game whatsoever. :P

Well, I know I am. Tired of devs waffling their way through interviews or whatever. I want to see gameplay and intricacies of said gameplay. Not CG trailers, not waffling interviews, etc.
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You would think most people would WANT to show off their games, but you know what, apparently we can't have the things we want with SE.

Except more Lightning, they give out all the Lightning you can chew.
 
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