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[RM8]

I don't think you understand: carbohydrates make you fatter than protein/fat even when you consume less (calorie-wise.)

Do you have a source for this? It's most definitely not my case, but hey, I might be special.

but saying "Micheal Phelps ate this" and giving a picture of plates laden with carb-heavy meals doesn't really help because, for some people, this implies they can eat as much as they want, however they want, as long as they're not obese or overweight.

But I was directly replying to a guy who admitted eating a lot and exercising. I'm just saying that's indeed possible, I even stated it's not my case since I keep a 1700-2000 calorie diet.

 

[scy]

Do you have a source for this? It's most definitely not my case, but hey, I might be special.

Sudden realization that I don't think we had the bread makes you fat gif in this thread yet.

But I was directly replying to a guy who admitted eating a lot and exercising. I'm just saying that's indeed possible, I even stated it's not my case since I keep a 1700-2000 calorie diet.

That carb load picture also needs the preface of it being Michael Phelps' meal so it makes sense. The amount of calories he burns through kind of warrants that kind of meal.

Well, maybe a healthier carb load.

 

[harSon]

I live in San Jose, CA (And Santa Cruz, CA for 2 years until recently) and Salmon is considerably more expensive than Catfish and Tilapia. Even shitty frozen Salmon is like $11-12 bucks for 4 filets, while a bag of frozen Tilapia from Walmart is like 6 bucks for 8 sizable filets :/

I love Salmon too...

 

[Grym]

Comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges cake

 

[scy]

I live in San Jose, CA (And Santa Cruz, CA for 2 years until recently) and Salmon is considerably more expensive than Catfish and Tilapia. Even shitty frozen Salmon is like $11-12 bucks for 4 filets, while a bag of frozen Tilapia from Walmart is like 6 bucks for 8 sizable filets :/

I love Salmon too...

You have my condolences. I don't know if I could deal with >$10 for frozen filets

 

[flippymittens]

Was this written by LostVoyager?

No, I can not write that well.

Being fat is a choice, homosexuality is not. There's also nothing wrong with homosexuality, but obesity is a massive health issue that causes suffering not only for the individual but for everyone around them.

I understand that losing weight is a difficult process, but what is needed here isn't a claim that obesity is a disease that is natural and untreatable; we just needs better tools.

Well being overweight is less of a choice for some people than others and people should not be harassed for how they look.

I do not think "fat rights" advocates are saying that they are pro-obesity rather that they are against ridicule and discrimination based on their appearance.

Being cruel to overweight people is, well, a cruel thing to do and should be stopped. We should help them overcome obesity by offering proper programs, education and most importantly not be fucking assholes about it.

But equating slander for obesity to homophobia? lol wut

I think the author is using simile to compare the two, not equate them (hence like being used). I agree that taunting and harassing someone due to their appearance is wrong.

 

[Monroeski]

Eating healthy isn't all that expensive if you think of it in terms of dollars per nutrient instead of dollars per cubic inch.

 

[Wafflecakes]

Yeah I lost 70 lbs in 4 months on a low carb plus walking diet. I am a believer.

And yes. People on GAF are complete pigs about obesity and the mods should be ashamed of some of the things they let slide. Suicide fuel.

 

[Red]

I live in San Jose, CA (And Santa Cruz, CA for 2 years until recently) and Salmon is considerably more expensive than Catfish and Tilapia. Even shitty frozen Salmon is like $11-12 bucks for 4 filets, while a bag of frozen Tilapia from Walmart is like 6 bucks for 8 sizable filets :/

I love Salmon too...

The ALDI near me has cheap fish. There are actually two kinds of salmon they sell, one is $10+ and the other sits around $5.

Giant Eagle, I can pay $15-20 just for one single filet. It depends on where you go.

Catfish and tilapia are usually pretty cheap everywhere.

For cheap food, I do IGA, Marc's, ALDI, or Save a Lot.

The only one that's kind of iffy is Marc's, because they do a poor job of refrigerating their meat. It's not unusual to see completely discolored packs of beef sitting around and graying in their 60+ fahrenheit piss poor excuse for coolers.

Sam's Club or Gordon Food Service for buying in bulk. Good for veggies and chicken. I go through a lot of cottage cheese, and it's much cheaper at Sam's Club than anywhere else.

 

[Flo_Evans]

You are already deadfat.

Probably. I do have to say though while overweight, I do not understand how people get to 300+ pounds. I actually think for me at least that would be harder than dropping below 200.

 

[mambadragon]

I'm lucky to be thin and limit the amount I eat, but that said I don't take care of my body in quite a few other ways. From this perspective, the scariest thing about this article is doctors turning away patients that may most need help. I'm admittedly not that knowledgeable on the issues, but I'd expect and even understand this from the insurance company's perspective, but the doctor makes no sense to me.

 

[beastmode]

And here we go, internet expert posting broad and un-nuanced assertions. It can certainly be bad for you.

It can also be good for you, and there's no real way to tell which effect it'll have. Meaning avoiding it is pointless unless you're a psychic.

Because what works for you may not work for someone else, and it's important not to be dismissive of possibilities that may help another person.

I'm not talking about myself. It has shown more effective in actual studies. I wouldn't be pushing it so hard if it wasn't for the fact that the standard advice hasn't worked, there is an obesity epidemic. Yes, calorie restriction is an option - but so is drug prohibition. People wanting to help should be giving priority to the better advice over the worse.

 

[Pollux]

You're not born fat, you become fat. So no, they're not the same thing. I understand it's easier for some people to put on weight than others, but to make that comparison is downright stupid.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

I dont think we should promote obesity but that we shouldnt make fun of them.

 

[Red]

I'm not talking about myself. It has shown more effective in actual studies. I wouldn't be pushing it so hard if it wasn't for the fact that the standard advice hasn't worked, there is an obesity epidemic. Yes, calorie restriction is an option - but so is drug prohibition. People wanting to help should be giving priority to the better advice over the worse.

I don't disagree. Low carb is the way to go if you want stable and fast results.

But some people may do better with something else, and it's no good promoting low carb to someone who can't stick to it.

 

[harSon]

The ALDI near me has cheap fish. There are actually two kinds of salmon they sell, one is $10+ and the other sits around $5.

Giant Eagle, I can pay $15-20 just for one single filet. It depends on where you go.

Catfish and tilapia is usually pretty cheap everywhere.

For cheap food, I do IGA, Marc's, ALDI, or Save a Lot.

The only one that's kind of iffy is Marc's, because they do a poor job of refrigerating their meat. It's not unusual to see completely discolored packs of beef sitting around and graying in their 60+ fahrenheit piss poor excuse for coolers.

Sam's Club or Gordon Food Service for buying in bulk. Good for veggies and chicken. I go through a lot of cottage cheese, and it's much cheaper at Sam's Club than anywhere else.

I usually have to go to the low income parts of town to get some decent deals on food. The Mexican and Asian grocers tend to have some decent sales on meats. Safeway, Lucky's and Trader Joes, outside of a few things here and there, are fairly expensive overall, while Costco and Super Walmart, have some pretty decent deals.

 

[Dizzy]

Yeah it's ridiculous how much hate obese people get. You make fun of someone being gay, black, chinese, ugly, old etc and you get lambasted for it and rightfully so but fat people? oh no, its perfectly fine to make fun of them as much as you want. I've seen this a hell of a lot on GAF. People rip into fat people to such an extent that if they did it about race, gender, age, sexuality etc they'd probably be arrested. Obese people are still people too. Nobody deserves to be made fun of like that, everyone deserves to be treated fairly I'm not on about innocent jokes between friends here, for whatever reason people think it's perfectly acceptable to make fun of people and make cruel jokes about someones weight even if they don't know the person.


That said I think a healthy lifestyle and healthy weight should always be encouraged. I don't think its best for people to hear this "be happy being fat" and give up. The health risks aren't good. I just think that if someone is overweight it's absolutely unacceptable for them to be made fun of and treated like shit because of it.

 

[Caelus]

You're not born fat, you become fat.

As true as this is, wasn't there something about children of obese parents born with a higher amount of fat? I read about it somewhere, might have been bullshit.

 

[Red]

I usually have to go to the low income parts of town to get some decent deals on food. The Mexican and Asian grocers tend to have some decent sales on meats. Safeway, Lucky's and Trader Joes, outside of a few things here and there, are fairly expensive overall, while Costco and Super Walmart, have some pretty decent deals.

Walmart can be good for finding deals, and they have a huge selection. I've only been to Trader Joe's a couple of times... some stuff is okay, they have items you can't find most other places, but they are pretty up there for cost. There aren't any Costcos, Safeways, or Lucky's around here.

A lot of the time, if I don't feel like cooking, I just go pick up a rotisserie chicken for $5. Boil or steam some veggies and bam, cheap dinner.

 

[harSon]

You're not born fat, you become fat. So no, they're not the same thing. I understand it's easier for some people to put on weight than others, but to make that comparison is downright stupid.

Eh, some people are basically born fat, considering that you're basically restricted to what your family eats while growing up. You're not really health conscious until your teens at the earliest (unless you're being teased to hell and back in grade school), and by the time you do reach that point, an unhealthy diet is basically embedded within your very being.

 

[andycapps]

The ALDI near me has cheap fish. There are actually two kinds of salmon they sell, one is $10+ and the other sits around $5.

Giant Eagle, I can pay $15-20 just for one single filet. It depends on where you go.

Catfish and tilapia is usually pretty cheap everywhere.

For cheap food, I do IGA, Marc's, ALDI, or Save a Lot.

The only one that's kind of iffy is Marc's, because they do a poor job of refrigerating their meat. It's not unusual to see completely discolored packs of beef sitting around and graying in their 60+ fahrenheit piss poor excuse for coolers.

Sam's Club or Gordon Food Service for buying in bulk. Good for veggies and chicken. I go through a lot of cottage cheese, and it's much cheaper at Sam's Club than anywhere else.

I've found Aldi to be cheaper than Sam's Club on pretty much everything. Some exceptions are a 5 pound bag of Muscletech whey protein at Sams for $35, and 10 pack of Chinobi Greek yogurt for $5. That's not to say that Sam's Club has bad prices, they just specialize in large containers of brand names, when at Aldi you can get normal sized stuff in non-brand names for cheaper. As far as per ounce goes, Aldi seems to be cheaper across the board still.

 

[Pollux]

As true as this is, wasn't there something about children of obese parents born with a higher amount of fat? I read about it somewhere, might have been bullshit.

It's certainly possible, but again, they're just born with a higher chance of becoming obese. Every member of my family, every...single...one, is an alcoholic. That just means I'm more likely to become an alcoholic.

I understand that the genetic lottery sucks sometimes, but again you're not born morbidly obese. So these comparisons to homosexuality or race are just ridiculous.

 

[beastmode]

Micheal Phelps has an insane metabolism and needs this much carbs and sugar because he burns all of it during his several hour long training. Do you swim for several hours a day? If a normal person ate this much for a single meal, they'd be overweight in no time. Eat whatever you want is terrible advice.

Just imagine what kind of problems his body might be running into in a couple of decades.

You're not born fat, you become fat. So no, they're not the same thing. I understand it's easier for some people to put on weight than others, but to make that comparison is downright stupid.

Some people are born with a higher risk of becoming fat (this rare genetic trait called the female gender is an example) and to an unhealthy environment. If you can imagine a spectrum of choice with none at all being one end, certainly becoming obese isn't the complete opposite.

 

[Rubbish King]

Telling fat people they ought to be thin is about as helpful as telling gay people they should be straight.

Stupid fucking comparison

 

[jimi_dini]

Most places -- McDonald's included -- have dollar menus that facilitate incredibly cheap meals if budget is your primary concern. At that point, the only things that really become cost-competitive are things like ramen noodles and crappy TV dinners. Plus, McDonald's gives you the meal cooked!

Uh Oh

I meant COOK YOUR OWN FOOD as in buy ingredients and do it yourself. Buy salad and prepare it. DO THE DRESSING YOURSELF. It's easy as hell. Buy yogurt (no sugar crap, plain yogurt). Buy salt. Buy pepper. Buy sunflower oil. Buy balsamico (some type of vinegar). Mix it all together (a bit of this and a bit of that, all the stuff besides yogurt will last ages). Voila, instant perfectly homemade dressing. Costs way less and is way better than the crap they sell you (the prepared crap has all sorts of other crap in it to make the dressing durable and they also put tons of sugar into everything). This also means: Don't buy some frozen pizza-crap and put it into the oven. That's NOT COOKING. Oh god.

And no, you can't survive buying a 1$ cheeseburger every day and eat nothing else. You would starve to death. And no, sugar water (coke) isn't healthy and isn't cheap either. Plain water is way cheaper than a 1$ coke.

That's the problem nowadays: Cooking == buying already prepared crap and putting it into the oven/microwave smh

 

[TheLastCandle]

Everyone should be encouraged to live a healthy lifestyle and be in good shape. That much is obvious. We need to take steps as a country to reverse this trend. Making the comparison between obesity and homosexuality is stupid too.

However, if you are an insulting prick to anyone based on how they look, you're an asshole. Shut the fuck up and mind your own business.

 

[-COOLIO-]

i didnt know carbs were so deadly, i guess i should drop the daily white bagel?

 

[Red]

i didnt know carbs were so deadly, i guess i should drop the daily white bagel?

It's too late for you.

 

[Rayis]

One can be anti-obesity without hating and/or shaming fat people, it accomplishes nothing, also, this can't be like homophobia because obesity is harmful to health , homosexuality is just a sexual orientation which affects no one

 

[RM8]

i didnt know carbs were so deadly, i guess i should drop the daily white bagel?

It's all about moderation.

 

[-COOLIO-]

i just dropped it and switched to whole wheat toast instead


*phew*

 

[beastmode]

i didnt know carbs were so deadly, i guess i should drop the daily white bagel?

are you or have you ever been obese? if not you're fine. but sugar is poison.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Uh Oh

I meant COOK YOUR OWN FOOD as in buy ingredients and do it yourself. Buy salad and prepare it. DO THE DRESSING YOURSELF. It's easy as hell. Buy yogurt (no sugar crap, plain yogurt). Buy salt. Buy pepper. Buy sunflower oil. Buy balsamico (some type of vinegar). Mix it all together (a bit of this and a bit of that, all the stuff besides yogurt will last ages). Voila, instant perfectly homemade dressing. Costs way less and is way better than the crap they sell you (the prepared crap has all sorts of other crap in it to make the dressing durable and they also put tons of sugar into everything). This also means: Don't buy some frozen pizza-crap and put it into the oven. That's NOT COOKING. Oh god.

And no, you can't survive buying a 1$ cheeseburger every day and eat nothing else. You would starve to death. And no, sugar water (coke) isn't healthy. And plain water is way cheaper than a 1$ coke.

Umm... I was responding to your original quote:

And that's just wrong.
McDonalds for example is expensive as hell. If those people are really THAT poor, they would make their own dinner. Of course that's a bit of work instead of driving to McDonalds and ordering coke + french fries + burger.

You said McDonald's was expensive as hell and that it would be much cheaper for less affluent people to cook their own food. I responded with the observation that fast food places have extremely cheap food that -- ignoring nutrition for a moment -- is competitive if not cheaper than a good home cooked meal.

As such, I'm not sure what the purpose of your post was, or your starting it with "Uh oh" as though I've missed your point. I assure you I haven't.

 

[beastmode]

One can be anti-obesity without hating and/or shaming fat people, it accomplishes nothing, also, this can't be like homophobia because obesity is harmful to health , homosexuality is just a sexual orientation which affects no one

Hating and/or shaming people is harmful to the soul, man. You really think that fat people need more damage on top of the health problems? What the hell?

 

[Pollux]

Some people are born with a higher risk of becoming fat (this rare genetic trait called the female gender is an example) and to an unhealthy environment. If you can imagine a spectrum of choice with none at all being one end, certainly becoming obese isn't the complete opposite.

Well if that's your standard and you think being fat should get the same protection on GAF (and in the world at large) that is provided to homosexuality, sex/gender, race, etc. then religion should get the same protection as well. I mean if it all comes down to a lack of choice about one's environment....

You and I both know that's not the case. Let's stop making excuses for people. If you have a genetic predisposition to being fat/obese then I really feel for you, I do. And these are people we should be helping, because they are suffering through no fault of there own. However, if you have a genetic predisposition to being fat, and are an adult, take steps to lose weight. This is the sort of thing that should be encouraged by our government through various methods.

If however, you're just fat for no reason other than you're a lazy slob who likes to eat all day. Go work out.

 

[andycapps]

i just dropped it and switched to whole wheat toast instead


*phew*

Step away from the refined carbs and no one will get hurt.

 

[-COOLIO-]

are you or have you ever been obese? if not you're fine. but sugar is poison.

i put on some belly weight ever since i started eating an egg, bacon, white bagel sandwich every morning.

 

[Tacitus_]

Clearly all of us non-obese people should just check our privilege.

...

nope, couldn't keep a straight face

 

[beastmode]

Well if that's your standard and you think being fat should get the same protection on GAF (and in the world at large) that is provided to homosexuality, sex/gender, race, etc. then religion should get the same protection as well. I mean if it all comes down to a lack of choice about one's environment....

You and I both know that's not the case. Let's stop making excuses for people. If you have a genetic predisposition to being fat/obese then I really feel for you, I do. And these are people we should be helping, because they are suffering through no fault of there own. However, if you have a genetic predisposition to being fat, and are an adult, take steps to lose weight. This is the sort of thing that should be encouraged by our government through various methods.

If however, you're just fat for no reason other than you're a lazy slob who likes to eat all day. Go work out.

No, people shouldn't be ostracized and made to feel like a sack of shit for genuinely believing in anything. Now when it comes to pushing these ideas (sometimes incredibly fucked-up ones) onto others, that's when you can make an argument for ridicule. I still don't think it's an effective tactic.

The problem with the rest of your post is that you assume the vast majority of obese people are so because they're lazy and eat too much. This is just not true and causes much confusion and meanness as you yourself have just demonstrated.

 

[Pollux]

No, people shouldn't be ostracized and made to feel like a sack of shit for genuinely believing in anything. Now when it comes to pushing these ideas (sometimes incredibly fucked-up ones) onto others, that's when you can make an argument for ridicule. I still don't think it's an effective tactic.

The problem with the rest of your post is that you assume the vast majority of obese people are so because they're lazy and eat too much. This is just not true and causes much confusion and meanness as you yourself have just demonstrated.

No, I said that if any obese person has any genetic predisposition towards being fat/obese then they just get as much help as they need to be healthy. I think it should be a government initiative. They are also deserving of sympathy and compassion, not scorn or mockery.

However, I did say that if someone is fat w/ no genetic predisposition and is only fat because they eat like shit and don't get any exercise then they should get a swift kick in the ass...a lesson on how to properly eat...and a cheap gym membership.

 

[RM8]

Isn't it safe to say that the vast majority of obese people are obese because they eat too much? Considering how absurdly widespread obesity is now, you'd think the "real" reason should have been discovered by now.

 

[beastmode]

Clearly all of us non-obese people should just check our privilege.

...

nope, couldn't keep a straight face

all imaginary i guess

 

[InvincibleAgent]

There was a time where far fewer people could be obese because our economy required everyone to participate in labor and our foods weren't chock-full of HFCS. It is theoretically possible to get a physically intensive job and eat healthy.

The number of obese people hasn't risen because more people have a disease. It's risen because in addition to people with the disease, there are also a lot of people who suffer from depression and use eating junk as a coping mechanism.

 

[beastmode]

No, I said that if any obese person has any genetic predisposition towards being fat/obese then they just get as much help as they need to be healthy. I think it should be a government initiative. They are also deserving of sympathy and compassion, not scorn or mockery.

However, I did say that if someone is fat w/ no genetic predisposition and is only fat because they eat like shit and don't get any exercise then they should get a swift kick in the ass...a lesson on how to properly eat...and a cheap gym membership.

People aren't fat because they're slobs and don't exercise.

Isn't it safe to say that the vast majority of obese people are obese because they eat too much? Considering how absurdly widespread obesity is now, you'd think the "real" reason should have been discovered by now.

It's become widespread while cheap HFCS and high carb diet advice flourished.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Isn't it safe to say that the vast majority of obese people are obese because they eat too much? Considering how absurdly widespread obesity is now, you'd think the "real" reason should have been discovered by now.

Yes, but the big question is "why" they eat too much.

It all has to do with the type of foods people are consuming.

 

[jimi_dini]

You said McDonald's was expensive as hell and that it would be much cheaper for less affluent people to cook their own food. I responded with the observation that fast food places have extremely cheap food that -- ignoring nutrition for a moment -- is competitive if not cheaper than a good home cooked meal.

But that's the whole problem.

Let's take a look at the current 1$ "menus".

http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/food/meal_bundles/dollar_menu.html

a McDouble. Is that a "meal"?
a McChicken. Is that a "meal"?
a pseudo salad. Is that a "meal"?
a sugar-filled yoghurt. Is that a "meal"?
a "sweet" (sugar-filled) tea. Is that a "meal"?
a (sugar-filled) icecream cone. Is that a "meal"?
Or maybe I don't understand it. Maybe you get all of this crap for 1$. Idk. Last time I went to McDonalds was in the last century.

You will need multiple items for your "meal". Which means you already pay way more than 1$ for a "meal", which isn't even a real meal. For example the sugar-filled tea is definitely not healthy. Plain water is way cheaper. I would say that poor imitation of a salad (which will look even worse in reallife) could also be achieved way cheaper by doing it yourself. They got what, one tomato or even less in it and the rest is the cheapest type of salad possible.

They are selling sugar-filled crap for 1$ each. It's not even cheap for what it is. But people don't understand that, because they don't cook anymore. And if someone really buys this crap every day, no wonder that these people will get obese.

I mean you could just buy a bag of sugar and eat that. Definitely cheaper and almost the same as buying those things from McDonalds.

I cook by myself for ages. And I don't pay much at all. In fact I even pay more than people would need to. My salad, cucumber and tomatos for example always have the bio seal. That's more expensive of course (although you get better quality), but people wouldn't need to do that. I save lots of money by doing it myself and of course that way I also definitely know what's in my food. It's also fun and tastes better. The only minus is that it takes a bit of time (and a learning curve at the start).

 

[IceCold]

Yes, but the big question is "why" they eat too much.

It all has to do with the type of foods people are consuming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH5TMCR8etc

 

[Kenai]

I should have more sympathy but..wow.

Everyone can do whatever they want with their own body, but mankind is not meant to be obese.

It's wrong to judge people JUST for being fat, but please don't encourage em. If anything at least try to set a good example.

This is basically my stance. You should not judge people solely on looks, and we as a society are certainly not doing everything we could to curve the national weight increases, but being overweight by an unhealthy amount should be frowned upon, and comparing it to LBGT hate is just stupid. It's not the same thing at all.

 

[MIMIC]

The current discussion has me hungry for a Bic Mac.

 

[Pollux]

People aren't fat because they're slobs and don't exercise

Then if you have no underlying medical issue, why is someone fat?