There's more to health that just weight. For one thing, Ice Berg lettuce is a useless vegetable considering it has next to no nutrition compared to other things you could be using in your salad like Romaine or Spinach (which are considerably more expensive...). Edamame (Soy) contains something that's very similar to estrogen, which can lower Testosterone levels within Men, which has many effects including weight gain. And you're much better off purchasing raw Sweet Potatoes and cutting them up to make you're own fries then purchasing a bag of them, considering they're likely not additive free, which effects the nutrition of them considerably.
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There's more to health that just weight. For one thing, Ice Berg lettuce is a useless vegetable considering it has next to no nutrition compared to other things you could be using in your salad like Romaine or Spinach (which are considerably more expensive...). Edamame (Soy) contains something that's very similar to estrogen, which can lower Testosterone levels within Men, which has many effects including weight gain. And you're much better off purchasing raw Sweet Potatoes and cutting them up to make you're own fries then purchasing a bag of them, considering they're likely not additive free, which effects the nutrition of them considerably.
Personally speaking, at the end of the day whatever works for someone works for them. Finding what works for you is pretty much the best route to take. I personally enjoy the low carb route. To each their own, y'know? The route matters less than the fact that people are trying to better themselves.
FallingEdge
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Calories in Chicken, Breast
Meat And Skin, Cooked, Stewed
I don't get what you are linking me to. It isn't even boneless skinless chicken breast. According to your logic, we shouldn't even be eating any meats or fish as there is a lot more sat fat and cholesterol than chicken.
That's all fair. Now, compare them to your pizza snacks.
Maybe with girls, but to boys it looks like a scar and they're cool to have when you're little.
I shop at Aldi because it's cheap, like the OP. Two Romaine hearts are like $1.49 or $1.99 here. We can usually get a ton of veggies and fruit for about $10-15 there. Lasts us a week typically.
Stephen Colbert
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No it's not. The medical science is in favor of balanced meals.
Yes, low carb is the fastest way to lose weight, but it's not the easiest or the most sustainable way to do so.
And yes, low carb does leave you craving carbs. I've tried it, and I couldn't stop thinking about bread and chips after a couple of weeks.
When you deprive yourself of any specific food type, you start craving it, both physiologically and psychologically.
That's why I endorse just counting calories and eating lots of filling low calorie food (fruits, veggies, protein shakes etc). And as long as you stay below 1500 calories, you can get some potato chips, or bread or what ever you have a craving for that day.
By counting calories, you lose weight in a manner that's actually sustainable.
Wickerbasket
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My point was that potatoes are a hell of a lot healthier than the processed food a lot of people eat. They're a great, CHEAP, easy to make, nutritional food.
Saying they aren't healthy just isn't true. If you eat enough of ANYTHING then of course you'll gain weight. I just can't imagine being able to eat so many potatoes that you put on weight.
I'd be interesting in hearing what foods you guys suggest on a budget, I'm looking for more foods to try anyway.
I don't eat Pizza Snacks. But if you're going to eat healthy, then you might as well eat healthy. One of the biggest pit falls of dieters is that they value weight loss over health, which do not necessarily go hand in hand.
Wickerbasket
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But you wanted to factor in cost. When you factor in cost, potatoes are some of the cheapest healthy foods you can buy.
and the most effective and easy one is considered crazy. i don't know why people should recommending the harder, more time-consuming, and ineffective method.
neither are all that bad for you, if at all.
yeah, and you can explain the universe with 'god did it'. i can't think of a good reason to be unreasonable.
you can get fat on anything if you try hard enough, but veggies and chicken do have far lower risk - and that can't be shrugged away.
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And here we go, internet expert posting broad and un-nuanced assertions. It can certainly be bad for you.
My mistake. Skinless is slightly better.
http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-chicken-breast-meat-only-i5065
But there are much better protein sources.
You brought up party pizzas and pizza rolls on the last page. The things I mentioned were the same price or cheaper by weight, and more nutritious.
Spinach is about $4 a pound. Yes, that is on the higher end for leafy vegetables. But frozen you can get it for half that price.
Whole sweet potatoes are about $1.50/lb.
Because what works for you may not work for someone else, and it's important not to be dismissive of possibilities that may help another person.
That's exactly what I did, and I was like 12 or 13. I didn't give up carbs, it's just keeping your calories in check. In my experience, yes, carbs make you want to eat more carbs, but people need to learn some self control. I could eat chocolate cake all day long, but I know better than that.
I know if I didn't have the metabolism that I do, I'd weigh 300 lbs. I eat like an absolute pig. And I exercise because I enjoy it...not because of any health concerns. (although I do it more now for the additional endurance for whenever I play sports).
Fat people are judged way too harshly, and as much has been clearly demonstrated throughout this thread.
Fat people are judged way too harshly, and as much has been clearly demonstrated throughout this thread.
FallingEdge
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eggs, cottage cheese, oatmeal, potatoes, chicken, spinach
This is completely fucking stupid and nonsensical.
If I were gay, I would be extremely insulted.
Being gay is not a choice. It is not a "lifestyle." There is nothing bad about being gay. You cannot change being gay.
Being obese on the other hand is usually a choice and a lifestyle, barring certain medical/genetic conditions. Being obese wreaks havoc on your overall health. YOU CAN DIE FROM BEING OBESE. You can change it by diet and exercise.
The two are not even close. What the hell was this idiot smoking?
If I were gay, I would be extremely insulted.
Being gay is not a choice. It is not a "lifestyle." There is nothing bad about being gay. You cannot change being gay.
Being obese on the other hand is usually a choice and a lifestyle, barring certain medical/genetic conditions. Being obese wreaks havoc on your overall health. YOU CAN DIE FROM BEING OBESE. You can change it by diet and exercise.
The two are not even close. What the hell was this idiot smoking?
Wickerbasket
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I already eat a lot of eggs and chicken, I might give oatmeal a try though. Thanks for the suggestions.
They have the best catered meetings.
I think we're starting to lose track of the argument though. It is cheaper to eat less healthy? Probably. Is it a HUGE expense to eat healthier? Probably not. There's also a varying degree of what we're talking about in terms of prices for unhealthy foods and healthy. If I recall, we were talking originally about, say, McDonald's fast food vs healthier eating, not so much cheap pizzas. I mean, hell, enough Mac and Cheese for a family is probably in the realm of a few bucks as well if we want to go that route :x
I'd have to say that this depends on the person. Likewise, those who indulge occasionally may overindulge, something else that varies on the person. I personally think it's easier to remove it entirely.
That said, I'm still guilty of enjoying pasta way more often than I should.
Which is personally my largest problem with the calorie counting methodology. I mean, yes, it works but chances are likely it's just "eating less of bad food." Not always the case but it's an easy trap to fall into.
I can live with that if we are talking about cost too.
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FallingEdge
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Such as? Salmon, pork, and beef are just as much if not more. 96/4 ground beef/ground turkey is about the same as chicken. Maybe a bit less fat.
Michael Phelps eat this everyday:
Eat whatever you want as long as you're healthy. I personally keep my weight with a 1700-2000 calorie diet.
Well, you're sort of using ridiculous price points to better your argument. It's not uncommon for unhealthy foods to constantly be on sale, such as this pack of 40 Totino's Pizza Rolls for $1.80 (http://www.discountqueens.com/target-totinos-pizzas-rolls-large-bag-40ct-180).
And I'm just saying that if you're going to make the effort to lose weight or maintain a low weight, you might as well be healthy alongside it.
no, the advice is in favor of balanced meals. the research is clear: consuming carbohydrates leads to an increased insulin response and insulin is the primary hormone that regulates fat storage. again, it's more effective than calorie restriction and easier & less time consuming. this is especially important when considering childhood obesity, kids can avoid sugar a lot easier than they can count calories.
I'm also not seeing the issue here. If the argument here is "too much of anything..." then it's a slippery slope. Most people are not going to have more than 3 servings of chicken a day, which has safe levels of SatFat and Cho.
I don't think anyone here is arguing kids shouldn't be avoiding sugar and too many complex carbs.
You're right about the sales of unhealthy stuff. Healthy foods go on sale a lot as well, but for lower percentages.
Not sure what's ridiculous about using price points to argue cost though!
As for the last part, we both agree, I am just not sure what point you are trying to make about it.
Michael Phelps eat this everyday:
Eat whatever you want as long as you're healthy. I personally keep my weight with a 1700-2000 calorie diet.
Micheal Phelps has an insane metabolism and needs this much carbs and sugar because he burns all of it during his several hour long training. Do you swim for several hours a day? If a normal person ate this much for a single meal, they'd be overweight in no time. Eat whatever you want is terrible advice.
vas_a_morir
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Damn, that's a hell of a deal for Totino's Pizza Rolls!
Eating more calories than needed makes you fat, actually. A low carb diet is good, though, since carbs are very calorie dense and make you want to eat more, but as has been proved, you can lose/maintain weight while eating carbs.
...As long as you're healthy. That means, you can eat carbs moderately as long as it fits your calorie count.
Femmeworth
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You have to eat a lot of soy for that to be a problem, from what I understand. It's an overstated issue.
It's a lot easier to prevent insulin resistance than to treat it. Eating whatever you want will catch up to you sooner or later.Michael Phelps eat this everyday:
Eat whatever you want as long as you're healthy. I personally keep my weight with a 1700-2000 calorie diet.
Interfectum
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fucking hilarious article
He didn't say eat as much as you want.
Frozen veggies (broccoli, brussel sprouts, spinach, carrots, etc), chicken, tuna, whitefish, cottage cheese, eggs.
Berries and salmon can be good too, but I've seen prices run the gamut. I can get a pack of four salmon filets for $4 at ALDI, and see the same amount for 3x or more at Giant Eagle.
For snacks, I usually have some almonds on hand. Can be a little pricey but I don't go through them too fast.
I need to move to Europe.
Salmon is ridiculously expensive in the United States, or at least where I live.
I got a fillet of fish and a small fry from McD's a few weeks ago and it came to like $4.79 or something along those lines. Who am I Donald Trump?!
I live in Ohio.
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Everyone is different. Personally, once I go low carb for a week, I completely lose interest in high-carb foods.
Do you have a link to the part about Soy lowering testosterone?
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ALDI is an American store.
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Me, too. Coincidence? lol
Is it just an Ohio store?
Perhaps, but when I replaced all my carb calores with fat calories (olive oil, cheese) I felt a lot better and my weight is more easily maintained. People need carbs, and you can lose weight while eating them, but as you said, it's better to restrict them.
Obviously, if one if healthier their choices of food are more liberating, but saying "Micheal Phelps ate this" and giving a picture of plates laden with carb-heavy meals doesn't really help because, for some people, this implies they can eat as much as they want, however they want, as long as they're not obese or overweight. It's silly, but true, because people want to follow athletes and their success, without knowing that this amount of food is necessary for athletes.
I've lose fat for a while now, and if I eat two hamburgers and a plate of large french fries nothing happens to me, but I just end up feeling sick yet craving more, so I prefer eating healthier. Twice a month, I think, is okay for people who have the ability.
It's best to avoid as much of all carbs as possible (except maybe a lil fiber) when you're actually trying to lose weight, not prevent it.
I don't think you understand: carbohydrates make you fatter than protein/fat even when you consume less (calorie-wise.)
You mean in the sense that they also have stores in the US?
Dude Abides
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Soy, kidney beans, lentils have protein w/out the saturated fat.
Well, my initial response was to someone boasting about his skinless chicken tenders. I also disagree that it's unlikely for someone to have more than 3 servings of chicken a day, particularly if they're convinced it's the perfect protein source.
Yes. I phrased that badly :-/
I was also assuming harSon lives in the U.S. and not somewhere else like Australia or something.
You are already
Salmon isn't that expensive here in Texas. Of course, it may also be questionable quality salmon.
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