"Anti-obesity: The new homophobia?"

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This popped up on my Pulse news feed under top news stories. Really not sure what to think of it, really odd comparison.

http://www.salon.com/2012/08/28/anti_obesity_the_new_homophobia/

This week a Boston-area doctor revealed she will no longer accept patients who weigh more than 200 pounds, because fat people are dangerous deviants who should go to “obesity centers” to get treated for their “disease.” Earlier this summer, a gay man accused a New Jersey doctor of refusing to treat him because, allegedly, she attributed his need for medical care to “going against God’s will.”

“Homosexuality” and “obesity” are both diseases invented around the turn of the previous century. Prior to that time, being sexually attracted to someone of the same gender or having a larger than average body were, to the extent they were thought of as social problems, considered moral rather than medical issues: That is, they were seen as manifestations of morally problematic appetites, rather than disease states.

The same medical establishment that pathologized same-sex sexual attraction and larger bodies also offered up cures for these newly discovered diseases. Those who deviated from social norms were assured that, with the help of medical science, homosexuals and the obese could become “normal,” that is, heterosexual and thin.

In the latter half of the 20th century these frames were challenged by gay rights and fat rights advocates. Within these movements, the words “gay” and “fat” had similar purposes. They were intended to depathologize what medicine called “homosexuality” and “obesity,” by asserting that different sexual orientations and body sizes were both inevitable and largely unalterable, and that being gay or fat was not a disease.

Over the past few decades, gay rights activists have had great success challenging what 50 years ago was the standard medical view that “homosexuality” constituted a disease. By contrast, fat rights activists still deal with a public health establishment that continues to reflect and replicate profound cultural prejudices when it advocates ineffective cures for an imaginary illness.

The extent to which the construction of “obesity” as a social problem has paralleled the history of the medical establishment’s construction of the concept of “homosexuality” can be seen by comparing the cures put forth for these purported diseases.

To a remarkable degree, attempts to cure obesity resemble attempted cures for homosexuality, with the key difference being that while our public health authorities have come to denounce the latter as ineffective, unnecessary and ultimately harmful, they continue to employ the most extreme rhetoric in regard to the former. For example, the goal of Michelle Obama’s Let’s Move! campaign is no less than to “end childhood obesity within a generation,” that is, to create an America with no fat children in it.

Consider the many parallels between the treatments advocated by those who claim being gay is a disease, and those being pushed by our public health establishment to “cure” fat children and adults of their supposedly pathological state.

The advocates of so-called conversion or reparative therapy believe that “homosexuality” is a curable condition, and that a key to successful treatment is that patients must want to be cured, which is to say they consider same-sex sexual orientation volitional. These beliefs mirror precisely those of the obesity establishment, which claims to offer the means by which fat people who want to choose to stop being fat can successfully make that choice.

Those who seek to cure homosexuality and obesity have tended to react to the failure of their attempts by demanding ever more radical interventions. For example, in the 1950s Edmund Bergler, the most influential psychoanalytical theorist of homosexuality of his era, bullied and berated his clients, violated patient confidentiality and renounced his earlier, more tolerant attitude toward gay people as a form of enabling. Meanwhile, earlier this year a Harvard biology professor declared in a public lecture that Mrs. Obama’s call for voluntary lifestyle changes on the part of the obese constituted an insufficient response to the supposed public health calamity overwhelming the nation, and that the government should legally require fat people to exercise.

Anti-gay and anti-fat zealots both try to build support for their initiatives by defining success down: Advocates of conversion therapy claim their treatments “work” if patients are able to achieve sexual potency in a heterosexual encounter, or are able to avoid same-sex sexual contact for a period of weeks or months, even if they experience no lessening of desire for such contact. This lowering of the bar for what constitutes a cure is mirrored by public health authorities touting short-term weight loss or small losses of body weight as evidence for the success of anti-obesity programs.

Indeed, the most striking parallel between attempts to turn gay people into straight people and efforts to turn fat people into thin people is that both almost invariably fail. The long-term success rate of such attempts is extremely low. When it comes to the various forms of conversion therapy, the medical establishment now acknowledges this. This acknowledgment, in turn, has helped medical authorities recognize that it does not make sense to label “homosexuality” a disease, and that therapy for same-sex sexual attraction is both unnecessary and more likely to do harm than good.

But when it comes to fat, the fear and disgust elicited in this culture by fat bodies (reminiscent of the reactions elicited traditionally by same-sex sexual relations) prevents the public health establishment from recognizing that the various “cures” it advocates for “obesity” have been demonstrated again and again to be every bit as ineffective as conversion therapy has been shown to be for “homosexuality.”


The pathologizing of gay and fat bodies springs ultimately from the same cultural source: the desire to ground moral and aesthetic disapproval in the supposedly objective discourse of science and health. It is true that fat people are at a higher risk for certain diseases (although the extent to which higher weight correlates with increased mortality and morbidity is greatly exaggerated). But trying to, for example, lessen the prevalence of diabetes by eliminating “obesity” makes no more sense than trying to lessen the prevalence of HIV infection by eliminating “homosexuality.”

The extent to which either one’s sexual orientation or one’s weight are chosen states is minimal. With rare exceptions, people cannot intentionally alter either their sexual orientation or their weight in a long-term way. Given all this, to label same-sex orientation or higher than average body weight as diseases stigmatizes those who are so labeled to no purpose, other than to express disapproval of deviance from social norms to which the stigmatized cannot adhere.

Telling fat people they ought to be thin is about as helpful as telling gay people they should be straight. It took many decades for the medical establishment to recognize that its “cures” for “homosexuality” did far more damage than the imaginary disease to which they were addressed, and that the biggest favor it could do for gay people was to stop harassing them. Fat people are still waiting for the same favor.

The only line I agree with is the last bolded part. As a former obese kid/teen, it is possible to lose weight and keep it off.

The two seem like a really silly comparison and I'm not even sure why the author tried to relate them.

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That doesn't make any sense. I understand a certain portion of the population is predisposed toward being heavier. Almost half the country is most certainly not. Obesity raises the risk of many diseases. While I do not think obese people should be hated against, they should be encouraged to pursue healthy alternatives. Obesity will cost us all over the next few years in both our average life expectancy and healthcare costs.
 
I really don't see how the two are comparable.

Obesity has a direct effect on your health. Anything that can be done to help overweight people overcome the problem is a positive thing.
 
I should have more sympathy but..wow.

Everyone can do whatever they want with their own body, but mankind is not meant to be obese.

It's wrong to judge people JUST for being fat, but please don't encourage em. If anything at least try to set a good example.
 
A little overweight is fine, but obesity is a health risk. Also, you choose what to put n your mouth. Completely invalid comparison in my opinion.
 
the thing that bothers me the most is that it is very unhealthy in the long run...

other than that fat out if you want, its your own body.
 
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As a person who was once obese this is just stupid. Fat rights activists? Why not put all that effort into a fucking diet and then you won't BE fat?
 
There are more obesity-related medical cases in the world than there are starvation-related. Worrying about their feelings is waaaaaaaaaay down the list.
 
I really don't see how the two are comparable.

Obesity has a direct effect on your health. Anything that can be done to help overweight people overcome the problem is a positive thing.

This. Being fat has a direct effect on your health, you can develop diabetes or any number of ailments. Being gay is nothing like being fat.
 
Also, you choose what to put n your mouth.

/rimshot

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A lot of people choose to be fat and don't realize they're even doing it. That's why they don't understand why people tell them to stop, because they don't think they're the start of it to begin with, that there's nothing to "stop".
 
Look, I get what they're trying to get across.
It is rarely helpful to disparage fat and obese people, and ludicrous to think that insulting someone will make them change themselves for the better.

A lot of people are kinda cruel to fat people, and it's no surprise a lot of the victims just end up eating their negative feelings away.

If people were constructive instead, and refrained from referring to fat people in a purely negative manner, I think a lot more of them would lose weight.
 
Is being fat a choice? Nature vs. Nuture?

(This was a sarcastic response)

Being thin doesn't equate to being healthy either. I have a co-worker who is like a twig. The dude drinks beer every night, and orders junky food for lunch everyday. I'll give him that he mostly doesn't eat his entire meals, but overall his dieting habits are very poor. I don't see that as being any healthier than if a fat person was to eat that.

What matters is a clean, proper diet and exercise. If a thin person is eating junk, doesn't work out and stays thin than they won the metabolism lottery (which will come crashing down on them in a few years).
 
Natural attraction to the same sex...versus eating too damn much and not exercising?

Totally the same, right?
 
Look, I get what they're trying to get across.
It is rarely helpful to disparage fat and obese people, and ludicrous to think that insulting someone will make them change themselves for the better.

A lot of people are kinda cruel to fat people, and it's no surprise a lot of the victims just end up eating their negative feelings away.

If people were constructive instead, and refrained from referring to fat people in a purely negative manner, I think a lot more of them would lose weight.

I think the frustration from the other side comes from the whining and "It's too hard attitude."

This creeps up a lot in threads related to weight loss. People say they are too busy or stressed to eat healthy.
 
I don't have a problem with being obese when you're an adult. If you don't give a shit about your body or your health, then by all means do what you want.

But there really should be some sort of protection for those really obese kids. It's absolutely disgusting seeing their parents shove tons of fast food down their children's throats everyday and not letting them do a single physical activity.
 
There are people that exist with legitimate medical conditions that makes it difficult to not be fat

but they are a small minority.
 
Remember that time on the biggest looser when they determined a contestant couldn't loose weight? Yeah, me neither.

I am sure they are serious conditions where a person is physically incapable of loosing weight, but I believe that is in a definite minority.

Also, comparing obesity to homosexuality is really dishonest and ridiculous.
 
Lol, being fat is a lifestyle choice. Even if you are predisposed to being large, you can be proactive about fighting it.

Obese people will cost everyone more money in rising health care costs due to their medical problems. They should be encouraged to live healthier, I guess we're too PC to even do that now.
 
Look, I get what they're trying to get across.
It is rarely helpful to disparage fat and obese people, and ludicrous to think that insulting someone will make them change themselves for the better.

A lot of people are kinda cruel to fat people, and it's no surprise a lot of the victims just end up eating their negative feelings away.

If people were constructive instead, and refrained from referring to fat people in a purely negative manner, I think a lot more of them would lose weight.

Well like I was saying earlier. You have to be respectful but at the same time can't encourage bad behavior. Especially if you care about someone you need to make en effort to help them and not this whole, "you're beautiful the way you are" attitude. These people are slowly killing themselves, don't just stand by and do nothing. If after all the encouragement to lose weight they still don't want to do anything about it fine, but don't expect me to be happy about it. That's like being perfectly happy with my father being a drunk or a drug addict. There is nothing "beautiful" about dying from diabetes and heart disease.
 
Whoever wrote that article is a fucking idiot.

What exactly is going on in your avatar? I keep seeing it, and it always stops me in my tracks.

I'm personally anti-obesity. Well no, I'm anti-... I don't know. I just hate when people are somehow proud of being fat or have no intention or desire to lose it. I always hated the comic Monique for that and still can't take her seriously to this day. Saying things like "skinny bitches" blah blah blah. Being fat is nothing to be proud of and it's nothing to "fight for" which is what fat activists makes me think of. I know there are cases in this world where people can't actually lose weight but I doubt it's all that common. GETOFFYERASS!!!
 
Well like I was saying earlier. You have to be respectful but at the same time can't encourage bad behavior. Especially if you care about someone you need to make en effort to help them and not this whole, "you're beautiful the way you are!" These people are slowly killing themselves, don't just stand by and do nothing.

You can still do it in a constructive way.

"You know, you have a really good bone structure, if you lost some face you would be quite handsome!" or "You have quite a cute face, honey, if you lost some weight you'd be a supermodel!"

Instead of:

"You're an ugly fatty, lose some weight if you want to change that".
 
Being cruel to overweight people is, well, a cruel thing to do and should be stopped. We should help them overcome obesity by offering proper programs, education and most importantly not be fucking assholes about it.

But equating slander for obesity to homophobia? lol wut
 
Being fat is a choice, homosexuality is not. There's also nothing wrong with homosexuality, but obesity is a massive health issue that causes suffering not only for the individual but for everyone around them.

I understand that losing weight is a difficult process, but what is needed here isn't a claim that obesity is a disease that is natural and untreatable; we just needs better tools.
 
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