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[SoccerGoaliePro]

Another example of double standards

More Jews were expelled from their homes in newly formed arab countries than Palestinains.
But all we hear about is the Palestinian refugees.Not only that but in the 1920's to 1950's the Arabs received 23 countries which all consisted of a lot of non arab land meanwhile Jews got one country....tiny ass country thats 4 miles wide... yet everyone bitches about it.
if thats not a double standard please tell me what is

 

[flippymittens]

Shouldn't you compare Isreal and Palestine 50 or so years of bloody conflict?

I mean, they are both aweful thing, but reducing the actions of the state of Isreal to "killing seven terrorists in a boat" seems awfully convenient.

Well I think it is not saying that is all the wrong Israel has committed but illustrating that whenever Israel does something wrong they are condemned or it is brought to attention further than what many other countries get away with. (Just my interpretation).

Noone is saying Israel is perfect but that Israel is unfairly targeted for condemnation many times.

 

[SoccerGoaliePro]

Shouldn't you compare Isreal and Palestine 50 or so years of bloody conflict?

I mean, they are both aweful thing, but reducing the actions of the state of Isreal to "killing seven terrorists in a boat" seems awfully convenient.

Well i'm comparing recent major events from the middle east and how the world reacted to them.

 

[Codeblue]

Another example of double standards

More Jews were expelled from their homes in newly formed arab countries than Palestinains.
But all we hear about is the Palestinian refugees.Not only that but in the 1920's to 1950's the Arabs received 23 countries which all consisted of a lot of non arab land meanwhile Jews got one country....tiny ass country thats 4 miles wide... yet everyone bitches about it.
if thats not a double standard please tell me what is

So you're saying the British had a double standard that favored Arabs?

 

[Unhandled Exception]

I am not saying all criticism of Israel is antisemitic but certainly some criticism and singling out of Israel is in my view antisemitic.

So is singling out the US anti-christian now? Antisemitism is being reduced to a smear word anymore. It's lost it's meaning because it's thrown around so flippantly by anyone who wants to cry foul because they're not being blindly supported. I think American lives and money lost to support Israel is despicable. How quickly are you going to deem me antisemitic because of it?

Lets drop the fucking game here, criticism of Israel is only that - criticism of Israel. Hate speech about Jewish people is antisemitic. They are not the same thing.

 

[yankeeforever2]

So you're saying the British had a double standard that favored Arabs?

Most European countries did not like Jews, antisemitism was a common belief back than, which is why most countries wouldn't take Jewish refugees in during WWII.

So is singling out the US anti-christian now? Antisemitism is being reduced to a smear word anymore. It's lost it's meaning because it's thrown around so flippantly by anyone who wants to cry foul because they're not being blindly supported. I think American lives and money lost to support Israel is despicable. How quickly are you going to deem me antisemitic because of it?

Lets drop the fucking game here, criticism of Israel is only that - criticism of Israel. Hate speech about Jewish people is antisemitic. They are not the same thing.

The problem is some of the most outspoken anti-Israel individuals are very antisemitic

 

[DTKT]

Well i'm comparing recent major events from the middle east and how the world reacted to them.

The world doesn't react to things as if they were in a "vacuum". It's so much more complicated than "the peace and freedom loving people trying to overthrow the evil dictatorship" or the "evil state of Isreal killing innocents by the hundreds". Those are just bullet points you see in tabloids.

The arab world is fascinating, but it's not a world of good and evil.

Anyway, my only issue is anyone labelling criticism of the state of Isreal as "anti-semitic" behavior. When that kind of rhetoric prevents a critical analysis of the actions of a country, it just makes everything worse.

 

[SoccerGoaliePro]

The world doesn't react to things as if they were in a "vacuum". It's so much more complicated than "the peace and freedom loving people trying to overthrow the evil dictatorship" or the "evil state of Isreal killing innocents by the hundreds". Those are just bullet points you see in tabloids.

The arab world is fascinating, but it's not a world of good and evil.

Anyway, my only issue is anyone labelling criticism of the state of Isreal as "anti-semitic" behavior. When that kind of rhetoric prevents a critical analysis of the actions of a country, it just makes everything worse.

Nope.png

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNCyNiPHB7E&feature=plcp

 

[squidyj]

I think they have a point when it comes to people having double standards when it comes to Israel.

Oh I'm sorry, do our governments have the same relationships with Syria that they do with Israel? Does Syria get to play the land of democracy in a savage wasteland card?

 

[Codeblue]

Most European countries did not like Jews, antisemitism was a common belief back than, which is why most countries wouldn't take Jewish refugees in during WWII.

My point was that the land division can't be blamed on the Arabs. For one they didn't divide it, and the way it was divided didn't help the stability of the region to say the least.

 

[SoccerGoaliePro]

Oh I'm sorry, do our governments have the same relationships with Syria that they do with Israel? Does Syria get to play the land of democracy in a savage wasteland card?

mmmhhmmm are you really trying to prove that there isn't a double standard going around in these leftist "human rights" peace protests?
You're saying that the reason why no one is protesting or caring about whats going on in Syria is because our governments dont have the same relationship as they do with israel...

 

[lopaz]

The arab world is fascinating

Fascinatingly insane from where I'm standing

 

[ConfusingJazz]

I am not saying all criticism of Israel is antisemitic but certainly some criticism and singling out of Israel is in my view antisemitic.
B) They gain more influenced because they are a relatively developed country that needs it, because the United States has such a strong military for protection (I would imagine being in that region), and all of that is legal. Many other countries that are wealthier than Israel do not necessarily need influence in our political system and others can not afford influence in our political system.
Finally the reason we are such an ally with Israel aside from influence from AIPAC is that most Americans are favorable/supportive of Israel.

AIPAC has been involved in espionage against the United States, fuck that organization.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Franklin_espionage_scandal

 

[Freezie KO]

It's pretty clear that criticism of Israel is often issued with double standards. Latent anti-Semitism is just one of the reasons though.

That said, beyond the Israel issue, there are definitely HUGE anti-Semitism problems in the Middle East. Palestinian TV has put on children's programming saying to kill Jews. State-run TV in Egypt adapted The Elder Protocols of Zion, the most infamous anti-Semitic tract ever written. Saudi clerics said Barbie dolls were a Jewish curse. And the list goes on.

 

[ZackusMaximus]

I think this belongs in here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb3IMTJjzfo

 

[Dead Man]

As long as I can say Israel is run by fuckheads, I am all in favour of working to eliminate anti Semitism. Shit is stupid, hateful, and pointless. But fucking Israel, they are just acting like utter pricks the last 20 years.

I think they have a point when it comes to people having double standards when it comes to Israel.

Holy shit. Have you missed the point where the US government is already condemning Syria, so protests are not really necessary?

Edit: Picture is in Sweden. Same logic still applies.

 

[Smellycat]

Fascinatingly insane from where I'm standing

you are not helping yourself by making ignorant comments like this.

 

[Zeppelin]

mmmhhmmm are you really trying to prove that there isn't a double standard going around in these leftist "human rights" peace protests?
You're saying that the reason why no one is protesting or caring about whats going on in Syria is because our governments dont have the same relationship as they do with israel...

And are you really trying to prove that the "leftist 'human rights' peace" organizations are letting the violence in Syria slide with a picture of an empty Sergel's Square?

 

[Unhandled Exception]

The problem is some of the most outspoken anti-Israel individuals are very antisemitic

Sure but that's not an excuse to automatically dismiss anything in the way of reasonable discourse. It's only a problem when people get lazy and want to shut out any chance of being wrong about a topic they're passionate about.

 

[M.D]

Who wants to join the Syria flotilla?

 

[DTKT]

Nope.png

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNCyNiPHB7E&feature=plcp

I just want to clear something up here. Is your perspective regarding the current conflict between Isreal and the Palestinians , that Isreal current stance and past actions are lawful and legitimate acts of self-defense? That there has been no gross violations of basic human rights and a systematic refusal into creating a shared state?

Because, if that's the case, then there is nothing to discuss. I guess that we are both entitled to our opinions.

Anyway, yes, the western world perspective towards Isreal is skewed. I'll be honest. I don't know enough about the condition behind Isreal inception, or the current political views of it's allies. My gut feeling is that Isreal is the most "western" state of the Arab world. It's heavily supported by the US, both financially and militarily. I mean, the UN(composed of many western countries) was a key factor in the creation of Isreal. We closely look at it because it's the most "western" country of the Arabic world.

Anyway, this is a fascinating discussion but I really don't know enough to make some grand statement about the current state of international politics. It would take several thousands of words to even begin to make some sense of the Western world relationship with Israel. Way beyond the scope of a gaming forum!

 

[OttomanScribe]

I think they have a point when it comes to people having double standards when it comes to Israel.

Hahahaa.. are you serious?

 

[Smellycat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNCyNiPHB7E&feature=plcp

You usually see these types of responses from children. "But mommy, James did the same thing and he didn't get in trouble. WAAAAH" This guy is a grown adult and he is making similar statements. A
I think one of the main reasons why the U.N focuses on Israel so much is that it is supposed to be a shining light of Democracy in the ME, yet they act the opposite in every way.

 

[Hypnotoad]

LostVoyager, all your opinions pretty much fit the Anti-German political standpoint, are you in any way affiliated with them? Did you support the Iraq War?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antideutsch

They are one of the most obscure currents of German politics, pathetic and yet interesting at the same time, calling themselves left, but having alot in comment with the right-wing.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

I think they have a point when it comes to people having double standards when it comes to Israel.

Are you friggin serious? The Israeli government has killed nearly 1000 civilians in the last gaza offensive, and the people on the supply boats were no terrorists.

 

[Freezie KO]

I think one of the main reasons why the U.N focuses on Israel so much is that it is supposed to be a shining light of Democracy in the ME, yet they act the opposite in every way.

This is so ignorant. Why even say something about which you have no knowledge? The reason the UN focuses on Israel is because of the make-up of the UN itself, specifically the Human Rights Council which features a huge voting bloc of Islamic countries. This makes resolutions on Israel easier and on other Middle Eastern countries harder.

Learn before speaking next time, pls.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

So what are trying to say? That the Israeli government respects human rights all the time? Or do you think it is not right if other countries criticize them for human rights abuse?

 

[SoccerGoaliePro]

Are you friggin serious? The Israeli government has killed nearly 1000 civilians in the last gaza offensive, and the people on the supply boats were no terrorists.

hahhaha I think pressTV found its new news anchor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX6vyT8RzMo

and lol on the supply boat statement.

 

[Freezie KO]

So what are trying to say? That the Israeli government respects human rights all the time?

Does any country?

Or do you think it is not right if other countries criticize them for human rights abuse?

It's fine to criticize them for what you see as human rights abuses, and it's fine to have discussion about what constitutes defense and what constitutes occupation.

It's also fine to criticize the insane disproportionality in the amount of criticism Israel gets versus virtually any other country.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

hahhaha I think pressTV found its new news anchor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX6vyT8RzMo

and lol on the supply boat statement.

Killing civilians can NEVER be justified.

Does any country?

Wow. So if a few other countries do not respect human rights, then it is ok if the Israeli government does not respect human rights,too? What?

It's fine to criticize them for what you see as human rights abuses, and it's fine to have discussion about what constitutes defense and what constitutes occupation.

It's also fine to criticize the insane disproportionality in the amount of criticism Israel gets versus virtually any other country.

The problem is, the Israeli government claims that they represent a modern, democratic state and value western ideals, when that's clearly not the case all the time.

 

[SoccerGoaliePro]

Killing civilians can NEVER be justified.

Well Israel went out of its way to reduce civilian casualties by dropping millions of leaflets that told civilians to get out of the area that was gonna see action. meanwhile Hamas deliberatly puts its civilians in harms way so when they do get killed people like you can go on forums and do what you're doing now.

 

[Qazaq]

I'm Jewish. This topic is commendable.


But LostVoyager is annoying as fuck. He comes across like a freshman in college who's actually learning in-depth about civil issues for the first time, and immediately, feeling outraged, goes to NeoGAF to post about it.

 

[Freezie KO]

Wow. So if a few other countries do not respect human rights, then it is ok if the Israeli government does not respect human rights,too? What?

1. A "few" other?
2. Is that what I said at all?

The problem is, the Israeli government claims that they represent a modern, democratic state and value western ideals, when that's clearly not the case all the time.

No, it's not the case all the time. Certainly not on either side.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

Well Israel went out of its way to reduce civilian casualties by dropping millions of leaflets that told civilians to get out of the area that was gonna see action. meanwhile Hamas deliberatly puts its civilians in harms way so when they do get killed people like you can go on forums and do what you're doing now.

Leaflets, so that people "can get out of its way"? What? You know that the gaza strip is one of the most densely populated regions on this planet, which is totally sealed of from the outside world? And this offensive was not needed at this scale, the Israeli government could have avoided nearly all civilian casualties if they simply did not attack. They can't absolve from responsibility like that. I am absolutely convinced there are other, better ways to deal with these problems and achieve peace in this region.

 

[Smellycat]

Well Israel went out of its way to reduce civilian casualties by dropping millions of leaflets that told civilians to get out of the area that was gonna see action. meanwhile Hamas deliberatly puts its civilians in harms way so when they do get killed people like you can go on forums and do what you're doing now.

hahaha What a joke

"hey guys, you might want to go out of town for the weekend because we are going to bomb the heck out of it. k thanks.... P.S. if you can't go out of town, then move to the other side, and don't keep your family together. That way, some of you might survive!!"

 

[Karakand]

It's pretty cool that you can write something called "On the Jews and Their Lies" and people will still identify as a follower of yours in the year 2012. Everyone gets a second chance I guess.

 

[way more]

Can I assume by the threads you have created so far that you are a poor, ugly, short, Jew, white, gay person?

 

[Mudkips]

Can I assume by the threads you have created so far that you are a poor, ugly, short, Jew, white, gay person?

It's not like someone needs to pick up the trolling where SoccerGoaliePro left off.
If you read the OP you'd know he's not Jewish.

 

[Smellycat]

Can I assume by the threads you have created so far that you are a poor, ugly, short, Jew, white, gay person?

edit: disregard this post. I have no proof to back up my claims.

 

[Valhelm]

It's pretty cool that you can write something called "On the Jews and Their Lies" and people will still identify as a follower of yours in the year 2012. Everyone gets a second chance I guess.

To be fair, very very few European Christians at that time would have held more liberated views.

 

[CrazyDude]

It's not like someone needs to pick up the trolling where SoccerGoaliePro left off.
If you read the OP you'd know he's not Jewish.

He's not short either.

 

[way more]

He's not short either.

Maybe he's like The Human Being from Community.

No discernible physical properties.

 

[cousins]

Son, that's a bad argument.

A) Don't loop support for Israel in with antisemitism, that kinda shit just pisses me off.
B) AIPAC has a lot more influence on American politics then most foreign based lobbies.

This.

But, yeah, anti-semitism is shitty. As are other forms of prejudice.

Also, please don't talk about the Palestinian conflict in this thread, guys. This shit doesn't need to be derailed.

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

Antisemitism a problem

Fourth people put too much weight into AIPAC, is there an Israeli lobby with influence? Yes, obviously but there is a Turkish lobby, Saudi Arabian lobby, etc. Lobbyists can not control anything directly but they can influence the political climate.
AIPAC gets a lot of flack for doing what many other special interest groups do and lobby influence for their cause.
Furthermore most Americans support Israel so it is not as if the politicians are being disconnected from the people in supporting Israel.

What does one have to do with the other???

and lol on AIPAC as "just another lobby"

 

[MuzzledBasher]

I think they have a point when it comes to people having double standards when it comes to Israel.

When Israel's 'collateral damage' results in Palestinian civilians getting killed nothing happens, when Syria kills it's own citizen it is sanctioned. So yeah I guess you could say " they have a point when it comes to people having double standards when it comes to Israel"

 

[Yka]

Second is the claim that the Jewish people control the world and the media...

None of the major television news operations—Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, ABC News, CBS News, or NBC News—are currently headed by a Jewish executive.

But it seems that they are owned by Jewish people:

Fox News/Wall Street Journal - Owned by Rupert Murdoch whose mother is Elisabeth Greene, a Jew. (Jews trace their racial identity from their mother.)

CNN/Time Magazine - Owned by Time Warner. The principal shareholders include Carl Icahn, a Jew, and George Soros, a Jew.

ABC - Owned by Jew-controlled Disney. The CEO of ABC is Robert Iger, a Jew.

CBS - Owned by Sumner Redstone, a Jew, born Murray Rothstein.

NBC - Owned by Brian Roberts, a Jew, who also owns Comcast. The CEO of NBC is Jeff Zucker, a Jew.

New York Times - Owned by the Sulzberger family, Jews.

Washington Post - Owned by the Meyer-Grahm family, Jews.

Newsweek - Owned by Jane Harman and Barry Diller, both Jews.

Source

 

[MuzzledBasher]

But it seems that they are owned by Jewish people:



Source

Might as well have quoted a thread from stormfront...

 

[way more]

Not a racist, but number one with racist!

 

[Yka]

Might as well have quoted a thread from stormfront...

So the information about the ownership is not true?

Not a racist, but number one with racist!

What do you mean?

 

[Freezie KO]

But it seems that they are owned by Jewish people:



Source

That's some link you have there, which has headings such as "Control of Amerika's Money" and the banner flashes between "Real Jew News" and "Real Zionist News".