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[hirokazu]

Have you used it on a 4 regularly (daily) or just a 4S? It's not apparent until I actually have to start using the phone, wheras some things begin to chug.

I sure hope it remains as you say, because as someone who owned a 3G and updated to 4.0 I've always been wary of their optimization on older devices (which should be dead simple for apple, they can count the number of specific devices to update on one hand!)

iPhone 4 seems like it took a hit with iOS5, but it's still fine for me. People who have impressions for it during the betas are just posting heir own experience and it can be entirely subjective. It's not like they were benchmarking it or anything, so your experience may vary. If you feel let down its not their fault.

That said, iPhone 4 runs fine on iOS6 for me.

 

[Phoenix]

So how does it work then, do you have to put a PIN in on the phone?

Depends entirely on the implementation - and that's one of the big barriers that has been slowing things down a little bit, there are no standards imposed on securing an NFC transaction. Because the transaction is so frictionless, it is desirable to impose a 2nd factor from the owner of the user. In regular cards it is a signature, and we know how laughably broken that is. As such the implementations I've seen have included a pin (making it similar to most european debit card type transactions), face recognition (its fast, but 'eh), and some of the more advanced ones actually use a signature generated from a finger.

 

[Slurpy2k20]

I get all that for $35, but only because I work for Rogers.

No offense bro, worst company on the face of the earth. I was with them for 10+ years and literally every single bill had some over-charging error, which took hours on the phone to fix. Must have wasted a few hundreds hrs of my life on that. Eventually switched my whole family from them (5 numbers) and the last bill also had extra charges of $130. Again wasted hours on the phone, escalated, and finally filed a complaint and got a call back from the office of the President who finally agreed to reverse the charges, which were absolutely a mistake on their part- again, took hours on the phone + written complaints to get this done. Must have given them tens of thousands over the years, and still got treated like shit. An false charge issue that is blatantly the fault of the company should take a 5 min phonecall to fix, especially for such a longterm customer, and shouldnt be forced to escalate it, get rejected by supervisors, and have to make a formal complaint at the highest level to finally get them to admit they were wrong. Anyway now on Koodo and couldn't be happier. The bills actually make sense, and aren't confusing as fuck. Bonus- no contract, month to month.

 

[rozay]

iPhone 4 seems like it took a hit with iOS5, but it's still fine for me. People who have impressions for it during the betas are just posting heir own experience and it can be entirely subjective. It's not like they were benchmarking it or anything, so your experience may vary. If you feel let down its not their fault.

That said, iPhone 4 runs fine on iOS6 for me.

I'm not let down by impressions, I'm let down by apple releasing updates that cause enough of a performance hit that I can notice it from the previous version; obviously there's only so much that can be done with older hardware and I would hope that the features being left out of iOS6 like turn by turn are specifically because of performance and not an incentive for the 4S and 5.

 

[criesofthepast]

Mine is:

250 mins
unlimited incoming
unlimited texting
6pm/weekends free
CID/Voicemail
6gb data (works with lte duh)
some international bullshit

and the clincher....yearly upgrades. I can upgrade my phone once a year at full subsidy. The price:

52 bucks. lol. It's a corp plan someone hooked me up with.

Just negotiated something similar for a family member on telus. Not coporate plan. Difference from your plan I got my10 (unlimited everything to 10 favorite numbers) and only 200 daytime minutes instead of 250.

All for $50+tax a month.

Oh and got a free Samsung galaxy s3 on 3 year contract.

 

[Slurpy2k20]

If you don't think a .3 update for the Lumia 900 isn't mind blowing, I don't know what to tell you.

Oh, your posts are all satire then. Sorry, didn't get it till now. My bad.

PS- I think the new Lumias look great, it's too bad Nokia was desperate to show them off just to beat next week's keynote and therefore fucked up their event with no prices/release dates.

 

[legend166]

Sorry if this has been answered, but what kind of price drop should we be expecting on the 4S once the 5 is out?

 

[Technosteve]

I think Nokia shoukd of made an Android phone.

 

[Slurpy2k20]

I'm not let down by impressions, I'm let down by apple releasing updates that cause enough of a performance hit that I can notice it from the previous version; obviously there's only so much that can be done with older hardware and I would hope that the features being left out of iOS6 like turn by turn are specifically because of performance and not an incentive for the 4S and 5.

Strange, my iPhone 4 running iOS5 is still smooth as butter. Well was, until I have it away. One trick I found out, at least for camera speed, is to empty out your camera roll and just re-sync them to an album. It's what makes the camera takes ages to load or take a shot.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Just negotiated something similar for a family member on telus. Not coporate plan. Difference from your plan I got my10 (unlimited everything to 10 favorite numbers) and only 200 daytime minutes instead of 250.

All for $50+tax a month.

Oh and got a free Samsung galaxy s3 on 3 year contract.

damn they gave you yearly upgrades too? That's some retentions plan if so.

 

[rozay]

Strange, my iPhone 4 running iOS5 is still smooth as butter. Well was, until I have it away. One trick I found out, at least for camera speed, is to empty out your camera roll and just re-sync them to an album. It's what makes the camera takes ages to load or take a shot.

Empty as in manually delete everything? I'll try that, that's actually one of my peeves (along with maps being slow at times)

I can really tell the device doesn't keep up with me as well as it used to even on a completely fresh install, scrolling feels more like android phones at times in terms of judder.

 

[Tron 2.0]

Sorry if this has been answered, but what kind of price drop should we be expecting on the 4S once the 5 is out?

Subsidized or unsubsidized?

I imagine the 4S will slide down to the $99 subsidized price. Will probably have a similar unsubsidized price to what the 4 is offered at: $549.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

iPhone 4 running iOS5 should still run pretty much the same. Something is messed with your phone if it doesn't. I've used multiple 4's using ios5 and they were all the same as my 4S basically in terms of smoothness.

 

[criesofthepast]

damn they gave you yearly upgrades too? That's some retentions plan if so.

No yearly upgrades. That's a sweet deal you got with that. Phone was free through telus webstore promotion they got now. Well, basically free... $2.49 to be exact.

 

[Anticitizen One]

Is everyone here expecting a radical redesign or just a slightly bigger screen?

 

[Husker86]

No yearly upgrades. That's a sweet deal you got with that. Phone was free through telus webstore promotion they got now. Well, basically free... $2.49 to be exact.

3 years though? Damn. What are Canadian wireless companies' ETF fees like?

 

[noah111]

Is everyone here expecting a radical redesign or just a slightly bigger screen?

:

For those out of the loop, this is what everyone's expecting at this point;

 

[lunarworks]

3 years though? Damn. What are Canadian wireless companies' ETF fees like?

They make you an offer you can't refuse.

 

[Terrell]

3 years though? Damn. What are Canadian wireless companies' ETF fees like?

Yeah, 3 years is the standard. ETFs used to be something like $400 if you canceled in your 2nd year or earlier, but they've changed them pretty recently to be cheaper.

It's basically the worst place to own a cell phone in the world. I'm hoping for AWS band support on the new iPhone so we can go with new carriers like Wind and Mobilicity who are... not great, but definitely cheaper and more reasonable than the current companies out there.

 

[giga]

Posting fakes that use Arial instead of Myriad Pro should be a bannable offense.

 

[MegalonJJ]

Have the details of the iPhone 5 leaked?

Are those photographs legitimate?

If so, does anyone have a link to the specs please?

For me, it's between this and the 920.

 

[malfcn]

So I can get an 8% from at&T from work. Measly, but it is something.

 

[criesofthepast]

3 years though? Damn. What are Canadian wireless companies' ETF fees like?

3 years is the norm here unfortunately. I don't know how much ETF is as its a bit different with each carrier but it's pretty much not remotely affordable for the average person. You sign the 3 years and your basically stuck with them till it's over.

I think the norm ETF is $20 a month for every month remaining on the contract. Not sure tbh.

Canadian telecoms are the worst in the world!

Edit: beaten by Terrell.

 

[flippedb]

Have the details of the iPhone 5 leaked?

Are those photographs legitimate?

If so, does anyone have a link to the specs please?

For me, it's between this and the 920.

I'm going Lumia route. Nothing seems to indicate the iPhone 5 will be "revolutionary"

 

[elsk]

Posting fakes that use Arial instead of Myriad Pro should be a bannable offense.

Those are just to help people make an idea of how the iPhone 5 size/form is.

 

[Nitsuj23]

I hope that 4" screen is big enough. I've been an Apple fan for 8 years, but I really love the 4.8" screen on the S3. I want to develop iOS apps too...

 

[Slurpy2k20]

I'm going Lumia route. Nothing seems to indicate the iPhone 5 will be "revolutionary"

Because waiting until after Wednesday to make that decision (you know, when we actually find out the major shit about the phone beyond the leaked casing which *may or may not* be the final version) would be insane, right? Why not wait for the keynote?

PS- Is the new Lumia 'revolutionary'? What if the casing had leaked, and you made a decision based on that? It looks more like the previous Lumia than the next iPhone looks like the current phone, except it's chubbier than the last one.

 

[Slurpy2k20]

Empty as in manually delete everything? I'll try that, that's actually one of my peeves (along with maps being slow at times)

I can really tell the device doesn't keep up with me as well as it used to even on a completely fresh install, scrolling feels more like android phones at times in terms of judder.

Yeah, just copy them somewhere then delete the camera roll. You can then sync them back to a new album on the phone if you want.

 

[nhlducks35]

Well damn, I just remembered I have to pay the stupid activation fee of $36 plus the $200 and tax. Why is there an activation fee?!?!

 

[sc0la]

Here is why apple switched to a 16:9 screen. It's all about screen size, but not in the way you think it is.

16:9 screen as shown, corresponding 3:2 screen size in magenta

*click to make huge*

A 3:2 screen is about 12% wider in portrait than a 16:9 screen with a corresponding diagonal measurement. As your screen scales up from 3.5 inches to something approaching 4.5 inches this adds over a quarter inch in screen width when comparing the two ratios.

Changing ratios will allow Apple to offer "larger" diagonal screen sizes, now and in the future, without compromising the relative width of the handset.

For instance in the future they could offer a 4.3" screen without changing the width of the handset (and indeed fit such a screen even within the 5's footprint. They could even scale this up to 4.5", if they felt the need or desire to, with only a marginal increase in width. This is simply not possible with a 3:2 screen because such a screen at those sizes is significantly wider than their entire handset at this point.

Of course, this is all speculation on my part, but I don't think Apple is comfortable with ongoing comparisons of diagonal screen size between the iPhone and large screen android phones, even while they may be completely comfortable with the overall handset size and screen usability. Moral or the story is, Apple could never make a 3:2 screen bigger than 4" inches and still make a form factor they would be comfortable with IMO.

 

[Bgamer90]

^Interesting.

 

[Vinterbird]

Have the details of the iPhone 5 leaked?

Are those photographs legitimate?

If so, does anyone have a link to the specs please?

For me, it's between this and the 920.

There's a high probability that the photos and leaked cases are very real, and how it will look. Specs we have oohing, but at this point it really doesn't matter, it will run smooth and that's about it. The biggest spec question is NFC right now.

 

[numble]

Here is why apple switched to a 16:9 screen. It's all about screen size, but not in the way you think it is.



A 3:2 screen is about 12% wider in portrait than a 16:9 screen with a corresponding diagonal measurement. As your screen scales up from 3.5 inches to something approaching 4.5 inches this adds over a quarter inch in screen width when comparing the two ratios.

Changing ratios will allow Apple to offer "larger" diagonal screen sizes, now and in the future, without compromising the relative width of the handset.

For instance in the future they could offer a 4.3" screen without changing the width of the handset (and indeed fit such a screen even within the 5's footprint. They could even scale this up to 4.5", if they felt the need or desire to, with only a marginal increase in width. This is simply not possible with a 3:2 screen because such a screen at those sizes is significantly wider than their entire handset at this point.

Of course, this is all speculation on my part, but I don't think Apple is comfortable with ongoing comparisons of diagonal screen size between the iPhone and large screen android phones, even while they may be completely comfortable with the overall handset size and screen usability. Moral or the story is, Apple could never make a 3:2 screen bigger than 4" inches and still make a form factor they would be comfortable with IMO.

Very interesting theory.

 

[The_Inquisitor]

Well damn, I just remembered I have to pay the stupid activation fee of $36 plus the $200 and tax. Why is there an activation fee?!?!

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Here is why apple switched to a 16:9 screen. It's all about screen size, but not in the way you think it is.

A 3:2 screen is about 12% wider in portrait than a 16:9 screen with a corresponding diagonal measurement. As your screen scales up from 3.5 inches to something approaching 4.5 inches this adds over a quarter inch in screen width when comparing the two ratios.

Changing ratios will allow Apple to offer "larger" diagonal screen sizes, now and in the future, without compromising the relative width of the handset.

For instance in the future they could offer a 4.3" screen without changing the width of the handset (and indeed fit such a screen even within the 5's footprint. They could even scale this up to 4.5", if they felt the need or desire to, with only a marginal increase in width. This is simply not possible with a 3:2 screen because such a screen at those sizes is significantly wider than their entire handset at this point.

Of course, this is all speculation on my part, but I don't think Apple is uncomfortable with ongoing comparisons of diagonal screen size between the iPhone and large screen android phones, even while they may be completely comfortable with the overall handset size and screen usability. Moral or the story is, Apple could never make a 3:2 screen bigger than 4" inches and still make a form factor they would be comfortable with IMO.

sounds right I think.

 

[noah111]

Here is why apple switched to a 16:9 screen. It's all about screen size, but not in the way you think it is.

A 3:2 screen is about 12% wider in portrait than a 16:9 screen with a corresponding diagonal measurement. As your screen scales up from 3.5 inches to something approaching 4.5 inches this adds over a quarter inch in screen width when comparing the two ratios.

Changing ratios will allow Apple to offer "larger" diagonal screen sizes, now and in the future, without compromising the relative width of the handset.

For instance in the future they could offer a 4.3" screen without changing the width of the handset (and indeed fit such a screen even within the 5's footprint. They could even scale this up to 4.5", if they felt the need or desire to, with only a marginal increase in width. This is simply not possible with a 3:2 screen because such a screen at those sizes is significantly wider than their entire handset at this point.

Of course, this is all speculation on my part, but I don't think Apple is uncomfortable with ongoing comparisons of diagonal screen size between the iPhone and large screen android phones, even while they may be completely comfortable with the overall handset size and screen usability. Moral or the story is, Apple could never make a 3:2 screen bigger than 4" inches and still make a form factor they would be comfortable with IMO.

Nice. Only issue is I think you underestimate the bezel, esp. in the Alt. B.

BTW, 4S is 329 PPI, and if you were to have 4.3" and scale the i5 res of 1138x640, to (a perfect!) 1234x694, you hit 329 PPI as well.

Also, Apple used a song called 1234 once. Conspiracy uncovered.

 

[Terrell]

I haven't been keeping up on this, what is the expected size of the new iPhone screen? I can't imagine them adjusting it for this year and then again next year, so I'd assume they'd go as big as currently possible now so they can stick with it like they did for the current dimensions.

 

[noah111]

I haven't been keeping up on this, what is the expected size of the new iPhone screen? I can't imagine them adjusting it for this year and then again next year, so I'd assume they'd go as big as currently possible now so they can stick with it like they did for the current dimensions.

Same exact width, but they're making the screen longer. So instead of a 3.5" screen that's 960 by 640 pixels (3:2 ratio), it'll now be a 4" screen that's 1138 640 pixels (16:9 ratio).

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

I haven't been keeping up on this, what is the expected size of the new iPhone screen? I can't imagine them adjusting it for this year and then again next year, so I'd assume they'd go as big as currently possible now so they can stick with it like they did for the current dimensions.

I've too have been a bit out of the loop, but last I heard they are making it longer and not at all wider (someone correct me if i'm wrong). On paper i'm not happy with this at all, I really want a wider phone and i'm considering jumping ship once i'm due for an upgrade.

 

[Terrell]

Same exact width, but they're making the screen longer. So instead of a 3.5" screen that's 960 by 640 pixels (3:2 ratio), it'll now be a 4" screen that's 1138 640 pixels (16:9 ratio).

I was hoping for something sourced from someone other than a case manufacturer (since their projections haven't been known to be 100%). Ahhh well, I'd be disappointed it the difference was that modest, but I'm not a hardware designer, so I'd assume there would be a reason behind it.

I've too have been a bit out of the loop, but last I heard they are making it longer and not at all wider (someone correct me if i'm wrong). On paper i'm not happy with this at all, I really want a wider phone and i'm considering jumping ship once i'm due for an upgrade.

I'm fine with it not being wider, but the wasted bezel space always irked me. Was hoping for something closer to Alt A in the picture above.

 

[noah111]

I was hoping for something sourced from someone other than a case manufacturer (since their projections haven't been known to be 100%). Ahhh well, I'd be disappointed it the difference was that modest, but I'm not a hardware designer, so I'd assume there would be a reason behind it.

Look up a dozen or so posts, it's based on getting ahold of the actual device parts as well as beta SDK's indicating the screen res.

 

[sc0la]

Nice. Only issue is I think you underestimate the bezel, esp. in the Alt. B.

BTW, 4S is 329 PPI, and if you were to have 4.3" and scale the i5 res of 1138x640, to (a perfect!) 1234x694, you hit 329 PPI as well.

Also, Apple used a song called 1234 once. Conspiracy uncovered.

Yes bezel width for the alts is speculative. Sharp has demonstrated extremely small bezels with IGZO display (<1.5mm), but I think both my alts are under that. At some point soon someone is going to offer near edge to edge displays with super thin bezels IMO.

1234 hah nice!

Edit: 4S is 329ppi, where did I get the idea it was 326? (not that those are discernibly different )

 

[ant1532]

I've too have been a bit out of the loop, but last I heard they are making it longer and not at all wider (someone correct me if i'm wrong). On paper i'm not happy with this at all, I really want a wider phone and i'm considering jumping ship once i'm due for an upgrade.

Same. I've been in this "club" since iphones came out, getting each iphone to the next one. But seeing the google nexus screen and playing with it(being able to PAY FOR an episode of regular show that aired 200000 hours ago and in under 10000 minutes watching it) was amazing. *edit, for your health.

My huge issue being, is that Apple thinks it doesn't need to change their primary apps. The music app has so much possibility and so many functions that are just missing. Calender app still doesn't work as it should. They tried to fix it by adding a reminders app that still isn't that good rather than revamping the calendar app. The weather app is... come on. Even the phone app could use a rework. At least make options. Ugh. I'm hoping the iPhone 5 blows me away so I don't have to transfer over to the nexus and deal with getting all my shit on to that phone, but then I remember that we already have seen iOS 6 and that update is embarrassingly bleak. I don't know what to expect at this announcement since I feel like we know everything. 4 inch screen, faster, probably a better camera, new form factor that we already know, works with 4g lte on global networks, and better default headphones. And it runs iOS6. Which is just like the previous iOS's. /venting on wanting a real iOS update.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Your expectations are vague. Just get an android phone. See you back here the upgrade after that one

 

[Slurpy2k20]

The home button is here to stay, it's become as iconic as the apple logo itself, not to mention its still the most ultra intuitive design out of any phone I've used. ie. it's the 'get me the hell out of here' button, and can't imagine they would get rid of it, because of a myriad of useability reasons. So, there's always gonna be a bezel at least large enough to support that button.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

(being able to torrent an episode of regular show that aired 2 hours ago and in under 10 minutes watching it)

Sweet, dude!

 

[numble]

But seeing the google nexus screen and playing with it(being able to torrent an episode of regular show that aired 2 hours ago and in under 10 minutes watching it) was amazing.

Why not just wait till the next morning, where you can usually download it from the the iTunes app?

 

[Slurpy2k20]

Same. I've been in this "club" since iphones came out, getting each iphone to the next one. But seeing the google nexus screen and playing with it(being able to torrent an episode of regular show that aired 2 hours ago and in under 10 minutes watching it) was amazing.

My huge issue being, is that Apple thinks it doesn't need to change their primary apps. The music app has so much possibility and so many functions that are just missing. Calender app still doesn't work as it should. They tried to fix it by adding a reminders app that still isn't that good rather than revamping the calendar app. The weather app is... come on. Even the phone app could use a rework. At least make options. Ugh. I'm hoping the iPhone 5 blows me away so I don't have to transfer over to the nexus and deal with getting all my shit on to that phone, but then I remember that we already have seen iOS 6 and that update is embarrassingly bleak. I don't know what to expect at this announcement since I feel like we know everything. 4 inch screen, faster, probably a better camera, new form factor that we already know, works with 4g lte on global networks, and better default headphones. And it runs iOS6. Which is just like the previous iOS's. /venting on wanting a real iOS update.

Uh, if you prefer Android, just switch. iOS6 is what you're gonna have for the next year, so why pretend that's not the case and wait for something else? It will save you a lot of whining. And if you call ios6 "just like ios5" then what the hell do you call jellybean over ICS? It's literally a smoother version with 1 new feature, google now. Windows 8 vs Windows 7.5 doesn't look like a massive leap either. Ios6 has more added features and changes than both those updates combined, by far. So your expectations are skewed and odd, to say the least. I never understand apple users who keep endlessly whining about how disappointed they are and threatening to switch platforms. Just do it. Why all the drama? Why stick to the platform if you think others are superior? You've known what ios6 was about for months now.

 

[Dizzan]

This is probably old and most likely fake but it was pretty well put togther.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/-MjrNKIVrQs

Mock away

 

[Dizzan]

Uh, if you prefer Android, just switch. iOS6 is what you're gonna have for the next year, so why pretend that's not the case and wait for something else? It will save you a lot of whining. And if you call ios6 "just like ios5" then what the hell do you call jellybean over ICS? It's literally a smoother version with 1 new feature, google now. Windows 8 vs Windows 7.5 doesn't look like a massive leap either. Ios6 has more added features and changes than both those updates combined, by far. So your expectations are skewed and odd, to say the least. I never understand apple users who keep endlessly whining about how disappointed they are and threatening to switch platforms. Just do it. Why all the drama? Why stick to the platform if you think others are superior? You've known what ios6 was about for months now.

Jelly bean is just a smoother and tweaked OS (auto resizing widgets is cool) but Google now is so damn good that it made my Nexus feel like a new phone. Setting up a meeting in my calendar then receiving a message to leave in 10 minutes because there is traffic on the main road is awesome.