Except if Sony wants to pull that emulator or Nintendo does, they can stop you that way. It's like Apple's "closed garden"/iPhone store place, someone complains and they have a legit complaint, you're gone.
Vita "hacked," (PSP) homebrew on the way (not piracy)
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Except if Sony wants to pull that emulator or Nintendo does, they can stop you that way. It's like Apple's "closed garden"/iPhone store place, someone complains and they have a legit complaint, you're gone.
They can't stop anything. You just put the source code online, people download it and compile it on their own Vita. It doesn't need to go on the PlayStation Store.
Edit:
Similar thing here for MAME and iOS: http://www.lesbird.com/iMame4All/iMame4All_Xcode.html
I'm pretty sure that it's only free until the beta is over, which is apparently very soon. After that, you have to pay $100 and put any releases through Sony cert.
Reading the FAQ on the Playstation Mobile site, it seems like the intention of Playstation Mobile isn't for personal use at all - more for small indie studios.
Edit: Plus, I'm pretty sure that all executables have to be compatible with all Playstation Certified devices - some of which are slower and have a lower resolution than the Vita (Such as the single core 1GHz Xperia Play). You probably can't access quite a lot of the power of the device.
I've read that it's $100 a year if you want to distribute on the store, but it costs nothing to download the SDK.
That's not going to stop people using it for personal reasons, though.
Yes, it uses an interpreter. I think it will still be more powerful than running software via the PSP emulator
Exactly.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Bzzz! Wrong move. Put your source online and you have a problem.
Remember, PSM (just like the iOS sdk) has certain NDA clauses.
TheContact
Member
So, if I buy my Vita on Friday will I be able to throw my own PS1 games on there?
Takamura-San
Member
...Shit, this is not good.
Looks at the date... 9-11....
Fucking Terrorists.
Looks at the date... 9-11....
Fucking Terrorists.
No really, this crack will only bring flowers and candy.
onken
Member
Seriously?
test_account
XP-39C²
As long as the game is pulled, you cannot download it from your download history. The download history isnt connected to own servers, they just redirect you to the store servers, and if the game isnt there, then there is nothing to download.
The game will come back later on though. They have already pulled serveral of games that are back for purchase/download now.
You could be right for all I know - do you have a link or something stating the SDK will be free after the open beta is over?
Nothing in the FAQ suggests that at all. In fact, it states that after the beta:
Yes, it uses an interpreter. I think it will still be more powerful than running software via the PSP emulator
Well the hack originally being discussed in this thread wasn't using the PSP emulator - it is different to the Half-Byte Loader hacks like in Monster Hunter.
Oh, I see. Thank you.
I just realized that I made a backup of the game to my PS3 when I switched account as well.
Wait ...what?
test_account
XP-39C²
No problem
If you have a backup, you should be good. I think it takes around 1 month before the games usually gets added back.GoofsterStud
Member
I think it will still be more powerful than running software via the PSP emulator
You do realize there are devices much slower than the PSP that still must be compatible right? Again extra restrictions. You don't get the full horse power. The design itself, is bad. If you were a programmer, you wouldn't like the restrictions either. Now add fees back in to the mix.
I know it's hard to understand, but if your programing a game for an Xbox360, you don't want to be restricted by requirements to run on Windows Phones....
test_account
XP-39C²
I dont think that that old devices are supported by Playstation Mobile.
GoofsterStud
Member
The phones are. Their are still devices slower than the PSP for gaming.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Really now? Jokes or pun/one liners on today of all days? No excuses.
And is this hack going up soon or what? I would actually try it if it doesn't do anything but run within a save file in the game.
Well that is quite a while, so I'm lucky that I backed the game up.No problem
I assume so, yeah. It's down on the EU store, so I guess they'll do the same thing for NA. Could be wrong though.
test_account
XP-39C²
Which phones? PSM isnt supported by every phone.
If you already have the game installed, it shouldnt be much need to redownload it that soon, at least the way i see it. But at least you have it backed up, so no problem there =)
So wait can you put ripped ISO on the vita with this? I was under the impression that the vita memory card doesn't show up on the computer so how are they getting the emulators on the memory card?
Damn this is what I want if I can put my ripped games and still have access to normal Vita usage for Vita games.
No. But you should buy one anyway just to hold onto for the time when that comes.
Edit: And if you're in America and have $20 spare and a PSN account and don't own Monster Hunter and that's the key to further exploits: I'd suggest you run out to a store RIGHT NOW get a PSN card and buy it within the new two-three hours before Sony updates the store (if SCEA updates on time/early time like they've been kinda doing these past five months).
GoofsterStud
Member
Back on the alternative kick..
I just want to chime in that a lot of the source examples and other documents are all in Japaneses.
The thing is clunky. It's really should have Visual Studio support. This is sloppy. It uses adb (android debugger), android control emulation, and more...
It's just odd.
I just want to chime in that a lot of the source examples and other documents are all in Japaneses.
The thing is clunky. It's really should have Visual Studio support. This is sloppy. It uses adb (android debugger), android control emulation, and more...
It's just odd.
Not for the iso loader that people are talking about. But it loads the PSP2HBL so...
Have not been keeping up with this thread, so Mon Hunt Unite is the game that will get PSP games on Vita? If so, Im so glad I bought Mon Hunt Unite when it was on Sale for 10bucks even though i dont have a vita yet. Waiting on the White one in less than 2 months.
Has it been stated which will get isoloader on Vita?
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Is there some reason you keep calling Vita the PSP2? It's rather annoying and I never respond but if you're trying to be clever, I suggest actually not calling it PSP2.
GoofsterStud
Member
I think you're misunderstanding what they're talking about. If a programmer doesn't care about submitting something to the PS Mobile Store, there's obviously no requirements to ensure it works on all devices. The SDK certainly doesn't enforce any speed limits*, that's actually a bit of a problem since devs need to run their program on actual devices to see how well it'll run. Plus, the slowest compatible device is the Xperia Play, which is much faster than the PSP.
*The Vita's mono VM currently runs slow. Like, slower than the PSP slow (there have been benchmarks). It's so slow that I can only assume it was a deliberate move to keep the free beta period from becoming "summer of emulators for everyone" on the Vita. I'm pretty sure as soon as Sony starts charging for the SDK it'll run full speed.
Like what? You can't sell your source code and you can't distribute Sony's code (including sample code), but since the beta went open I've seen a few open source projects collaborating in Sony's dev forums. I'm not aware of any source distribution restrictions other than the no selling one.
Im of two minds on this. Its naive to think PSP hacks did not harm the system support to an extent. It certainly wont help Vita support, which at this point could be the nail in the coffin. I know alot of gaffers dont care but i do.
On the other hand, if i can finally get my copy of KH BBS on my Vita that would be spectacular.
On the other hand, if i can finally get my copy of KH BBS on my Vita that would be spectacular.
GoofsterStud
Member
This is what I noticed. I assumed the PSP was better graphically then the Xperia. 1ghz proccessor, android overhead, etc... I might be wrong, I haven't programmed for one.
Still this suite seemed ridiculously slow. So many android functionality, debubber, etc...
We will see how things play out after Beta.
TheContact
Member
I'll grab a Vita today. So just buy the Vita, Log onto my PSN account (I have one from my PS3) and a $20 card to buy the Monster Hunter game ASAP?
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Are Sony's dev forums free to public (unlicensed) access? Aren't Vita APIs 'Sony's code'?
test_account
XP-39C²
I dont mind if you want to call the Vita for the PSP2, but VHBL is a trademark, nothing that is called PSP2HBL
I dont mind if you want to call the Vita for the PSP2, but VHBL is a trademark, nothing that is called PSP2HBL
This sort of thing has gone on forever, though. That's why we have people saying "Zombies Ate my Neighbours" and "Trauma Centre," etc. It's kind of silly to get worked up about, though.
test_account
XP-39C²
Arent those the name of the games? I know that in Europe it was only called Zombies, but in USA it was called Zombies Ate My Neighbours.
My point in mentioning the forums was that Sony's definitely aware code is being passed around, I believe now that the beta is over it's being put on sites where people who aren't PSM devs can access it. I was under the impression that the PSM source for some engine projects was getting mixed in with the mainline release. There's no Vita APIs visible, it's all just PSM, and last I checked APIs didn't count. I could be wrong, I haven't been following it very closely since I got busy with contract work, but that's what I remember from when the beta went open.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
test_account
XP-39C²
Oh, right, in that wayNeighbors
I didnt notice the different spelling (same with "centre" and "center").I dont mind it much, i just wanted to point out that VHBL is a trademark
TheContact
Member
Ok. I bought the Vita, an 8gb memory card, the $20 PS Store card, and a case. I had to update to 1.80 and I bought Monster Hunter Freedom. Now I just wait?
I was hoping there would be more PS One games on there. I'll have to play around with this thing more when I get home from work.
I was hoping there would be more PS One games on there. I'll have to play around with this thing more when I get home from work.
milkybar1983
Member
you have everything to run psp homebrew now
TheContact
Member
Sweet deal, I haven't been following this thread too hard and buying this Vita was really sponteneous. Is there a guide out there to show me the steps to enable homebrew? I only want to throw my copy of Xenogears on it. Does the emulator work OK? Is it full screen?