Bayonetta 2 - WiiU (Director: Yusuke Hashimoto, Pub: Nintendo, Supervision:Kamiya)

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Well, RE4 became un-exclusive. I don't know how salty the Nintendo fans got, but I imagine some shakers were spilled.

RE4 was published by Capcom too. Honestly I was just glad they added more content to the best game of last gen.

I miss old Capcom.
 
There needs to be more talk about those sweet new gun heels. (They are new, right? Ben awhile since I played Bayo)

YES HOLY FUCKING SHIT

the SILVER omg

and the new gun what was it was it a Scarborough Fair

it should say what it is on the side of the gun I NEED TO KNOW EVERYTHING NOW
 
Coming from a Shenmue fan?

I don't see the unfortunate reality being the game releasing on a console you don't want.

I see it as the game never releasing at all.

Shenmue 3 on Nintendo. If this happens I am pretty sure GAF would implode. Like computers actually will be set on fire.
 
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Wow sega having to repeat it more than gaf goddamn
 
It's not all about sales, it's about giving gamers what they want, even the niche gamers who will only get Nintendo 500k copies of a game.

This, and I think the whole meme that "Nintendo = nostalgia factor" is kind of overblown, and misleading. That's not really the entire point of a Nintendo console, but perhaps it's an easy way for people who don't buy them to rationalize why others do.

Nintendo's said multiple times that their goal with Wii U is to find a balance between mainstream and 'core', or hardcore, or whatever you want to call it, players.

Now, the thing I'm thinking is that they may have a very particular spin on doing that. It's not just about getting the latest COD and Assassin's Creed on Wii U. They seem to be coming out with quite an emphasis on the kinds of games that would have formerly been considered staples of core gamer land - Japanese action and RPG titles, original IP quirky games like Wonderful 101, and perhaps more that we're going to find out about at TGS.

To me this sure looks like Nintendo may have realized there is some dissatisfaction with current gaming on the HD consoles by a particular audience, and may be fishing to see if they get some bites. The interesting part is that the audience they may be going after, if this is true, tend to be the people who are multiplatform players.

I have to wonder if some of the kneejerk negative reactions to this news (aka "The Salt") are predicated on an automatic assumption among such gamers that their pre-destiny was to buy a PS4 and 720, and not anything with Nintendo on it "cuz Nintendo is lame".

It is almost as if the irritation and upset is really directed at the possibility that the new Nintendo console could be a viable contender to sit beside the other next-gen consoles, instead of being that stupid fisher price toy box that those 'manbabbies' buy. Wii U has bee pre-disregarded due to Not Enough Shaders, but if it gets the software people want... well...

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"Let the games begin."
 
I think there was a bit of salt, but nowhere near as much as FF VII going to PS1. Besides, weren't Capcpom quick to announce the PS2 port even before the GC version was out the door?

Does anyone remember the reactions when alot of wii games saw hd console/psp ports? Dead Space, No More Heroes, Silent Hill etc.
 
Maybe they aren't interested in the other exclusives? Who knows, who cares? The point is maybe just maybe, not everyone is interested in the WiiU? Just a thought.

And for Nintendo, it's part of their goal to make those people interested. Thus, they bring out games like this. It starts with "just one", then the amount of games you want keeps going up...it's how business works, and in this particular case, is also the only reason Bayonetta 2 exists.
 
Heh. Yeah. Fair enough. I think I've made my point on that topic. My pet peeve is irrational ranting without logical reasoning behind it, so I don't like being lumped into that category, especially considering how silly some of those are.

yeah, I can definitely understand and see where you coming from. Not that I have anything against you, think you typically put up one of the more logical debates on gaming side.
 
Reading the first couple of pages with everyone saying "great move Nintendo" has me perplexed. This will matter even less for the Wii U than FF13 did for the 360.

People like Bayonetta.

Something, something market perception and dispelling the kiddie console association via Bayonetta 2 and Zombi.

Also don't see the comparison. JRPGs are irrelevant in the US and FF13 didn't come out on the 360 in Japan. Bayonetta was kind of popular in Japan.
 
Does anyone remember the reactions when alot of wii games saw hd console/psp ports? Dead Space, No More Heroes, Silent Hill etc.

No one really cared about Dead Space for the Wii, and Silent Hill: Shattered Memories was a divisive game anyway (and the PS2/PSP ports are obviously inferior to the Wii version). Dunno about No More Heroes though, but the port came so late I can't imagine a lot of people cared much either way.
 
- WiiParty/Fit/Sports Resorts
- Just Dance

Bonus: Kinect

Nope man.

I can cherry-pick as well.

People who play Call of Duty a ton are hardcore gamers.

- They buy the new iteration every year in the millions
- They do this because they are happy with the formula

Bonus: Map packs

Yep.

edit: You edited - the point that happy gamers = more money spent is still logically true.
 
Saying you have bills is a "victim card"? You then go on to talk about "cutting luxury expenses" for another luxury? You can't be serious with this post, also if you paid as actually attention to my posts in this thread, you would see that from the beginning i said i am getting a WiiU eventually.

BUT I UNDERSTAND HOW OTHERS MAY NOT WANT TO DROP A FEW HUNDRED BUCKS ON ANOTHER CONSOLE FOR ONE GAME.

It's amazing how fucking condescending you people are to anyone who dares to be a little disappointed about this. You're just as bad as those who are overly raging about "betrayals"...

Everyone has bills. If you're that strapped for money that you can't possibly spend a few hundred dollars in six months' time, whether it's a luxury product or not, then perhaps it's a good idea to seek a financial consultant.

Otherwise, you're being a petulant child.
 
I know, you think this is bad, I can't imagine just what will pop up when Nintendo start aggressively pushing for exclusives. Getting Bayonetta 2 shows me that Nintendo has just started. Nintendo's aggressive stance with Monster Hunter should also be another idea of what will happen in the future.

They got the money and they got a brilliant CEO to lead them, so it would not shock me to see this as the first of many exclusive games.

Agreed, Nintendo wasn't lying when they said they were after the enthusiast crowd again. You don't buy Bayonetta and stop there, it doesn't have the power by itself to make much of a difference, but in conjunction with a few other high profile 3rd party exclusives it could be huge. If Nintendo is willing to invest to save Bayonetta and pay for the game to be completed and publish and advertise it themselves then it is hard to imagine that they won't pursue other such deals as well, especially if they aren't so hapless sales wise as Platinums games tend to be. I think Iwata realizes that he won't get equal support from western studios other than Ubisoft, his solution? Aggressively try and corner all of the high profile Japanese core games he can, while taking what he can get from Western developers.

The Atlus's, Nippon Ichi's, SNK's, Platinum's, Marvelous's and other small to mid tier, but talented Japanese devs stand to be left in the dust by skyrocketing next gen costs, enter Nintendo with a jaws of life and an Iron Lung to save them from the rest of the industry. This is likely their reasoning for pushing pubs to revive old IP's too, exclusivity to set them apart.
 
No, it's fortunate that someone stepped up and decided to pick up a dead game. You're just being salty that it's not on a console you want.

I think of it like your favorite cookie flavor stops being produced. You're sad. Then you hear that they're making it again! But the only way to get it is to purchase a variety pack of 50 flavors of cookies, 25 of which you hate and 24 of which you're indifferent towards. It's nice that the cookie is back in theory, but all the more frustrating because there's no practical/reasonable way for you to get at it for a decent price.

This doesn't apply to me since I was buying a Wii U anyway, but I can understand the moment of soaring hope followed by crushing defeat when you realize the game's announced... for a platform you have no interest in for the foreseeable future.

The nice thing about this announcement, though, is the indication that Nintendo's taking actual action to bring games to the U that the OG Wii missed out on. Now they just need to moneyhat a Mirror's Edge 2 and I'll love them forever.
 
I'm disappointed, but I'm part of the problem. I bought the game used :(

Eh. No use getting mad about used games anymore it is just a sad side effect that will either crash the entire industry, lead to more and more inconvenient pre-order codes, or expedite the process of games being download only (the best option really).

But I fail to see why you are disappointed the game exists. You just aren't willing to purchase it...again.
 
I'm also a Shenmue fan.

The game never coming out would just be a more unfortunate reality.

And I go back to crazy.

If Sony announced Shenmue 3 for Vita, and a price hike for the hardware I'd grumble, but still be "FUCKING SHENMUE 3!!!"

Well that's what I'm hoping for anyway. Or a Bayonetta 2 Sigma situation.
With Nintendo publishing and likely funding development?

It's probably more likely that GTAV is a WiiU timed exclusive than Bayo 2 ending up on competing consoles.
 
It's very encouraging. Indicates Nintendo's willingness to go out on a limb and fund beloved games and IP that will get gamers excited even though it is unlikely to make a profit. It means Ninty is willing to play the long game and lose a little bit of money now to ensure that they regain some of the PS360 crowd.

This is going to be happening alot more once some smaller, but beloved and talented studios are confronted with the costs of PS4720 development. Nintendo can step in and offer a sane alternative, and cover publishing themselves. A game like Bayonetta probably never gets greenlit in the first place for PS4 the way the economy is and given Japans relative lack of regard for bleeding edge graphics, Nintendo stands to gain alot of good games this way, it is an investment that they are counting on to pay off int he future, even if it doesn't make money now.

I'd imagine this will be the case for many independent Japanese studios. The Wii U and 3DS may be the last bastion of hope for quirky J-game goodness.
 
Everyone has bills. If you're that strapped for money that you can't possibly spend a few hundred dollars in six months' time, whether it's a luxury product or not, then perhaps it's a good idea to seek a financial consultant.

Otherwise, you're being a petulant child.

Hoo boy... Shit like this is hilarious coming from people who routinely complain about Live fees....
 
To me this sure looks like Nintendo may have realized there is some dissatisfaction with current gaming on the HD consoles by a particular audience, and may be fishing to see if they get some bites. The interesting part is that the audience they may be going after, if this is true, tend to be the people who are multiplatform players.

I think there is truth to this and it will become abundantly more clear as this new generation goes on.
 
It is almost as if the irritation and upset is really directed at the possibility that the new Nintendo console could be a viable contender to sit beside the other next-gen consoles, instead of that stupid fisher price toy box that those 'manbabbies' buy.

I think naturally there's a little bit of that. It would certainly make it easier to justify not getting it. It sure as heck would be easier if only one system existed and everything was on it.

My interest went to zero to on the fence based on this news. However, I'm not excited about the entry fee for another system, and the logistics of fitting it into my living room with my TV inputs maxxed out and space used up already, but there's no way around that. I would still like it to have a little more under the hood to boot though.
 
Eh. No use getting mad about used games anymore it is just a sad side effect that will either crash the entire industry, lead to more and more inconvenient pre-order codes, or expedite the process of games being download only (the best option really).

But I fail to see why you are disappointed the game exists. You just aren't willing to purchase it...again.

Sorry, I can see why you would take it that way. Meant disappointed that I'll have to wait to play it for budget reasons. I think it's a splendid move for Nintendo, and I am so thankful to them for resurrecting it. My interest in the Wii U went from a 3 to about an 8, and I know I'm not the only one.
 
I can cherry-pick as well.

People who play Call of Duty a ton are hardcore gamers.

- They buy the new iteration every year in the millions
- They do this because they are happy with the formula

Bonus: Map packs

Yep.

edit: You edited - the point that happy gamers = more money spent is still logically true.

So my nephew of 8 is a hardcore gamer? haha no just no. Of course there are "hardcore" gamers who buy every iteration, but you have to admit a lot of people who buy CoD are also casual gamers just like the people who like to buy FIFA. It isn't my intention to start another discussion about "what makes you a hardcore/casual gamer" or anything brah, don't get me wrong.
Of course, the formula you put is true, can't argue with that, but my reply was directed at the fact that that commenter wrote it as Nintendo was doing the gaming community a favor by giving them a present because they are the lords of the gaming industry, in the end it's all about the money and not about being the saviour of the gamers.
 
So, going by these people's logic, some would not even buy the game if it came out on the PS4/Xbox720 because that would require them buying a new console?

I don't understand. This is like saying I wouldn't buy FFX because it would require me to buy a PS2. Series span multiple generations people, get over it.
 
So my nephew of 8 is a hardcore gamer? haha no just no. Of course there are "hardcore" gamers who buy every iteration, but you have to admit a lot of people who buy CoD are casual gamers just like the people who like to buy FIFA. It isn't my intention to start another discussion about "what makes you a hardcore/casual gamer" or anything brah, don't get me wrong...

I'm just going to ask for the hell of it: what is a hardcore gamer?
 
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