Bayonetta 2 - WiiU (Director: Yusuke Hashimoto, Pub: Nintendo, Supervision:Kamiya)
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LiquidMetal14
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Let's not go there haha
I also wouldn't place a bunch of folks in that category. We can discuss things on here in a rational and adult manner until someone gets all system warrior on us. Hatred is a strong word though. Nintendo has stuck to their vision, for good or bad.
We know little to nothing about the dev environment for Sony or MSFT's platforms yet so even them words you agree with are rather premature and sound a bit silly at this time.
KojiKnight
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Bayonetta is almost assuredly Sega's (which explains Segas limited involvement in Bayonetta 2 versus no involvement). Wonderful 101 is almost assuredly going to be Nintendo's. I do think if these game sell well it will open up Platinum to be bought by Nintendo.
Just think of it this way, Sega is strapped for cash. Sega also isn't having platinum games make anything new that I'm aware of outside of what other publishers are paying for (Konami MGR, Nintendo Bay2 and Wonderful 101). Nintendo can't just buy up Plat games right now though because their investors have them on a fairly tight leash over posting a loss last quarter for the first time in it's gaming history. However, if plat games gives them 2 best sellers the first year of the Wii U's life cycle, it'll be a no brainer for all parties involved. Sega gets some cash flow, Nintendo gets a new top tier second party, Platinum Games gets to work for a company that gives them the freedom to do what they do and a healthy budget to do it, and the investors will be happy because they have another gold laying hen in their portfolios.
IAmtheFMan
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If Nintendo with the Wii U positions themselves next generation as a viable option for developers that can't afford to make a high-end 100 million dollar GTA type game and still want to develop for a console, then I can see them having a good deal of success.
If they can convince smaller-medium sized companies like Platinum, Mistwalker, Atlus, Grasshopper, etc. that the Wii U is a haven for their types of games, they may be onto something.
Trevelyan9999
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People getting a little annoyed is one thing but some of the reactions are extremely over the top. Nintendo is trying to be open to all types of games on their new console and this is a good example of that. The Wii U is going to be a interesting console to watch since the multi-platform games would be easily ported and exclusives would gain interest since some of those people who bought a Wii U only want 1 system to play all their games on.....
it was clearly the best for them, and we're talking about a team made of many people who worked on an also fantastic but now defunct team. Whatever's best for them is best for me, Bayo 1 was handled poorly and we know that at least someone passed on it. I just dont want history repeating itself for these guys. No one's betting the farm on them so seeing Nintendo stepping it up is a good thing, at least for me.
It wasn't a multiplat before it went exclusive. It was dead.
Nicely said.
Being a success doesn't necessarily mean Nintendo will buy you. Retro and Monolithsoft were both considered losers at the time and they were turned into first party studios.
Combichristoffersen
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I know about Bayo being Sega's IP, but I was thinking of the other games Platinum have developed (Vanquish, MadWorld, Infinite Space and Anarchy Reigns), but I assume those are also owned by Sega.
Um. No? It's a sequel. Hence the "2."
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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Perfect time to buy a Wii U. I can wait until then.
By the way, Nintendo should do a special edition where they include the first game with the sequel (360 version of course!). And a soundtrack, artbook, etc.
Sega wouldn't get any cash from Nintendo buying out Plat, and they aren't having them make anything. At least as of a few month ago, they made a pretty big deal about how the the publishing deal wasn't going to be extended beyond Max Anarchy or whatever it's called.
Unless you meant Sega gets money for this specific game, then that is true obiviously. Just beyond that is all I mean.
wat
Just because it is more powerful than current gen systems that does not mean people will not view it as a different (maybe inferior) console simply because it might be much weaker than PS4/X720.
Again:
shinra-bansho
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I should clarify. A port of a game originally in development for the PS3 and 360.
Similarly, ignoring tablet functions, I've little doubt ZombiU with little concession if any could be a PS3 or 360 game.
TDLink
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Is it? I haven't seen anywhere stating a date for Bayonetta 2, much less Launch Window. Very happy to be wrong though if you have a source for that news.
gamespot says its set for march 2013
Charoncaori
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oh i wouldn't go putting faith in that
To Far Away Times
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If it's a continuation of current trends then I think it will be very accurate. Obviously, Japanese devs are already struggling with current budgets, more powerful consoles and higher expectations are only going to make this worse.
What the hell? Where did they say it's a port??
Even if it is built on an already existing start they had for the game, it doesn't suddenly make it a port unless the game was completely finished and ready to ship which as far as we know isn't the case.
IMO there will be more shit storm if beyonetta does not do well. and then there will be another shit storm if it does well and ppl yelling at sega to publish it.
djplaeskool
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March (in particular, the 31st) is usually a generic placeholder since it's the end of the fiscal year.
Not sure if that's accurate from 3rd party sources.
That's true. especially as I look around doesn't seem to be anyone backing them on that date. I would expect it as a 2013 title though since it was supposed to be pretty far along in development when Sega canned it.
GameCenterXDS
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Players care about the games they like to play and there is a growing fan base for Monster Hunter in the west. Tri sold well on Wii in North America and with Monster Hunter hitting the Wii U early in its life it lends a lot of potential for more MH on Wii U in the coming years to feed the growing fan base.
And yes, from Nintendo's homeland perspective its massive to the point it will not only start the system off really healthy but draw the interest of many other developers and publishers. I really feel it will bring in a lot of great third party support.
Kai Dracon
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Honestly, Nintendo apparently hoped to do this last with Wii. That was the party line at least.
One problem there might've been that they underestimated the potential success and rate of adoption for the Wii, so they lowballed the hardware. Had Wii been something more squarely inbetween Gamecube and PS4, with HD output, who knows; they may have gotten a lot more mid-range developers who shied away from that expensive looking PS4/Xbox arena and went with Nintendo fully instead.
For all that some have painted the current scenario as nothing but a complete repeat of last time, it isn't really. Leading software is still being released for the current generation. Nintendo is launching the next console using that as direct bump and to gain momentum with a different audience out of the gate. The new box is more in tune with the infrastructure (HDTVs) and environment everyone has transitioned over to.
I would say there is actually a window of opportunity here for them to build something, where last time the window had shut before they even walked into the room.
KojiKnight
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For some reason I was under the mistaken impression that Sega owned Plat games. In some ways that makes it an even easier decision for Nintendo to snatch them up.
As for the other person mentioning Monolith and Retro being losers before hand... that's true, but Nintendo doesn't have the money and clout to do whatever they want and have the investors simply go along with it anymore. Any big acquisitions right now have to show it'll pay big in dividends. Even if they don't buy plat games, if these two do well you will almost assuredly see some new exclusivity deals signed up.
Oldschoolgamer
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Ah word. Another question, that's
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IrishNinja
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"buying a system for only one game"...i mean it aint even out yet tho
wow. props to mama for the work as usual, but im confused by the arbitrary nature of port-begging bans; some caught em, some didn't, despite the variety of it. kinda weird.
also, you'd have to go across several threads, but a "ITS NOT NEXT GEN" wall should happen sometime too
wow. props to mama for the work as usual, but im confused by the arbitrary nature of port-begging bans; some caught em, some didn't, despite the variety of it. kinda weird.
also, you'd have to go across several threads, but a "ITS NOT NEXT GEN" wall should happen sometime too
for the Ouya
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Charoncaori
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I can't watch it right now, but if someone brings up the clip from the end of the conference, Nintendo should have showed all the games that will be out by March. I know p-100 was there, didn't see bayonetta but it flashed by pretty fast.
shinra-bansho
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You seem to be taking issue with my use of the word "port" rather than the actual underlying point...
You're right.
Chet Rippo
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It's bigger in the fact that people had almost written off Monster Hunter as ever leaving Japan again.
They killed hardcore gaming with the Wii.
Then proceeded to resurrect Bayonetta 2, a casual game.
Wyndstryker
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In theory you can say Nintendo is duplicating a PS2 generation where they initially come out as the tech leader but get overshadowed by the others. However by then they have a solid foundation to work with that 3rd parties can't ignore.
pure gold, made me laugh
.Exclusive, multiplat or what have you, I'm thrilled that this gem gets a sequel on any home console platform at all.
Thunder Monkey
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You're arguing with the wrong guy on that one. I agree with your overall point. I just think it's dumb to try to say the system isn't a next gen platform because of power. When it's more powerful than the companies last, and just by virtue of featuring 2010 and later tech more powerful than the competitions current.
Gaf hates Nintendo for abandoning the "hardcore gamer"
Nintendo releases hardcore exclusive
Gaf hates Nintendo for releasing hardcore exclusive
I do understand the frustration, but the downright outrage seems weird to me. If there was a game I really wanted that didn't come out for gamecube last gen that seemed like it should, my response was, "That sucks. Oh well". Still experiencing it on the PC in some ways.
Obviously though, the real problem is that the game went from multiplat original to an exclusive sequel. Is there precedent for this? I'm sure there is, but I'm having trouble coming up with examples.
While people love to tout brands around, a PC will basically cover everything on the HD twin side. To an industry that has been largely homogenizing their titles, the benefit to this is that it makes it easier to get a similar experience else where.
On Bayonetta 2, I'm so very fucking happy. It lives!
Charoncaori
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Well the shoes had pearl detailing, usually Bayonetta's have gold chains hanging off instead. So that was my thought too. Don't remember enough about her outfit to confirm though.
The point isn't worth noting because we don't know how far along in development the sequel even was.
As it stands alot of the rumors surronding Bayonetta 2 had even painted Kamiya as being its director (along with there being a movie to go with it) and given we have a new director and how long the project could have been shelved we don't know what exactly is a carry over.
Any assumptions at this point either for or against your point is too soon and we will need to wait on Plat or maybe even a Iwata Asks to get some info about how things came to be.
LiquidMetal14
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I hope by now multicore programming is at the point in which the costs will not go as dramatically higher from this to next gen on PS4 and 720. I always have PC so I'm not really worried. I think everyone is thinking about not getting costs into the average 30m range for a decent game. There needs to be cheaper and easy to digest games to offset some of that. I think all 3 really have something going on with their DD platforms. Nintendo is behind yet but they are catching up even if not necessarily with the breadth of games found on PSN or XBL.
I'm checking the frames as I'm making these gifs, and it looks like they still say Scarborough Fair.
btw these gifs aren't really relevant to anything you're saying... i'm just posting them as i respond lol
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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I wouldn't bet on Bayo being a march release.
I'd imagine they would go back to the drawing board with some stuff to accommodate the tablet controller.
Which fills me with dread because I think that will takeaway from the games greatness and replace it with casual friendly nonsense.
I really really hope platinum don't dumb it down at all. Bayo 1 was perfectly balanced.
Furthermore I really hope this supports the pro controller out the gate.
I'd imagine they would go back to the drawing board with some stuff to accommodate the tablet controller.
Which fills me with dread because I think that will takeaway from the games greatness and replace it with casual friendly nonsense.
I really really hope platinum don't dumb it down at all. Bayo 1 was perfectly balanced.
Furthermore I really hope this supports the pro controller out the gate.
TDLink
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All of the games Platinum developed that SEGA published are owned by SEGA. I am not sure of the status of Bayonetta now that Nintendo is publishing it...they may have bought it or they may just be borrowing it. The Wonderful 101 is owned by Nintendo and Metal Gear Rising is owned by Konami. Platinum doesn't own any of their IPs.
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