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[Bjoern the Smexy]

HHey, there is a difference. GOW was always a PS3 exclusive, Bayonetta was not. I have the game and I want to continue her "story" on the same platform.

I started the Assassin's Creed series on Xbox 360 with AC1 and 2. Brotherhood I bought for PS3. Revelations I bought for PC. AC3 I will buy for Wii U.

Continuing the story on one platform only if the game is multiplat anyways is just stupid. Just take the best possible option.
Of course this is implying that you even have the option of chosing the platform and also that you are buying the Wii U anyway. I haven't read your previous posts so I have no backstory on that one.

 

[Opiate]

God of War, by the way, was not always a PS3 exclusive. It was for quite some time a PS2 exclusive, then also jumped to the PSP, and finally to the PS3.

Of course, all those platforms are created by Sony, but you would still need to buy three separate gaming systems to play all the God of War games.

That is, if your primary objection is honestly just having to buy new systems, and not that those systems happen to be manufactured by someone else.

 

[scitek]

People demanding the game be ported to Xbox 360 or PS3, obviously bought and loved Bayonetta 1. It's always sad when, an IP that was established one system becomes exclusive to another. All the bitching happened when: Resident Evil went Gamecube exclusive, when Final Fantasy went Sony exclusive etc

The difference in those situations being that the companies that published the games could have still published them on other systems, as well, but they simply chose not to. In this case, the game had no chance at ever being released for the 360 or PS3 because Sega killed it. There was nothing stopping Sony or Microsoft from publishing it, but Nintendo stepped in and did it instead.

 

[PhantomR]

I think Nintendo fans are used to it by now. Those who are fans of the HD consoles never had to deal with this scenario till now.

No they have, and they've acted like fuckwits just like they are now.

Monster Hunter Tri Wii exclusive: "Whaaaaaa!"

Tatsunoko vs Capcom Wii exclusive: "Whaaaaaaa!"

Epic Mickey Wii exclusive: "Whaaaaaaaa!"

No More Heroes Wii exclusive: "Whaaaaaaa!"


Crying about such a small amount of games not coming to your platforms when Nintendo fans have endured an entire generation of 95% of the industry's biggest titles not coming to ours is just sad. If you want Bayonetta 2 that bad, buy a Wii U. Otherwise STFU.

 

[Chavelo]

I feel that people should be more outraged at Sony and MS for not picking up the title like Nintendo did.

I mean, don't they make teh hardc0re games, bros? Why didn't they save your precious game?

 

[Nibel]

That is, if your primary objection is honestly just having to buy new systems, and not that those systems happen to be manufactured by someone else.

Why is every GAF mod so reasonable?

 

[KojiKnight]

God of War, by the way, was not always a PS3 exclusive. It was for quite some time a PS2 exclusive, then also jumped to the PSP, and finally to the PS3.

Of course, all those platforms are created by Sony, but you would still need to buy three separate gaming systems to play all the God of War games.

That is, if your primary objection is honestly just having to buy new systems, and not that those systems happen to be manufactured by someone else.

To be fair if you're going to go that route (I agree with you btw), every single one of the God of War games were ported to PS3... you can play the entire series with only owning a PS3, just not in the correct order if you early an early PS3 adopter and then had to wait for ports of the older games to come out.

 

[Muchi Muchi Pink]

No PS3/360? I hope this game sucks more than NG3. Fuckin exclusives.

Kratos am

 

[Terrell]

Okay, so now it's no longer all exclusives, just exclusives which switch platforms. All right, I have two questions.

1) Are you aware that all evidence suggests this game was cancelled, and that Nintendo revived it? The alternative to Bayonetta 2 on the Wii U is not PS3/360, it is nothing at all. Do you still object?

2) Would you object if the game were announced for PS4/720? Because if it were, you would need to buy a whole new platform to play it, which is apparently your primary objection.

These are great questions. It is a shame no one here will answer them due to fear of self-incrimination, so I have to assume you're asking rhetorically.

 

[Dennis]

Why is every GAF mod so reasonable?

Are you new here?

 

[demidar]

Kratos am

Let the salt floweth. I haven't been this entertained in a while.

 

[Nibel]

Are you new here?

Wanne get to know me?

 

[Auto_aim1]

People are forgetting that Sega wouldn't have greenlit Bayonetta 2. Plenty of people have posted the same thing in this thread, but looks like no one is reading and thinking logically. It's one of the reasons why threads like these get so bloated.

 

[Fugu]

I can't believe this argument is still happening.

I can't speak for everyone, but I can say that for a lot of people, the breakdown goes like this:

First, we're supremely happy to be getting a Bayonetta sequel, as it was looking like we weren't going to.
Of far less importance is the console that it's appearing on. This issue is largely irrespective of the fact that Nintendo probably saved the day here because the entire argument is that it would be a whole lot more convenient for many of us -- such as those of us who have been disappointed in the past by owning a Nintendo console -- if the game were multiplatform. Again, this is far less important than the announcement of the game itself, which no one has any reason to be unhappy about.

I suppose the fuel that keeps the fire burning is that it's really easy to frame this debate as some console wars bullshit when really the argument has nothing to do with that.

Why is every GAF mod so reasonable?

Because Amir0x isn't a mod any more.

 

[Bjoern the Smexy]

Why is every GAF mod so reasonable?

It's Bayonetta. If you want to succeed you have to be reasonable. Even the mods. Didn't you know?!

 

[Seik]

Okay, so now it's no longer all exclusives, just exclusives which switch platforms. All right, I have two questions.

1) Are you aware that all evidence suggests this game was cancelled, and that Nintendo revived it? The alternative to Bayonetta 2 on the Wii U is not PS3/360, it is nothing at all. Do you still object?

2) Would you object if the game were announced for PS4/720? Because if it were, you would need to buy a whole new platform to play it, which is apparently your primary objection.

I dare anyone to answer this. Because, I mean, all the haters seems to be ignoring that she would be dead if it wasn't of Nintendo. When I say ignoring I mean that you can scream it in their ears and they'll continue to whine as if nothing happened.

Well...the second question is just too intense for any hater, because the only argument would be that WiiU 'is not a real console'

 

[Dascu]

Okay, so now it's no longer all exclusives, just exclusives which switch platforms. All right, I have two questions.

1) Are you aware that all evidence suggests this game was cancelled, and that Nintendo revived it? The alternative to Bayonetta 2 on the Wii U is not PS3/360, it is nothing at all. Do you still object?

2) Would you object if the game were announced for PS4/720? Because if it were, you would need to buy a whole new platform to play it, which is apparently your primary objection.

Devil's advocate here:

1) A sequel that I will 99% sure never play isn't much better than a sequel that doesn't exist.

2) I would prefer a PS4/720 release, because I am far more inclined to buy one of those consoles than a WiiU. No, I don't know what the final libraries of any of those consoles will be, but based on the line-ups of their predecessors, based on easier transfer of my PSN/Xbox Live friendlists, and based on my preference for X and Y 1st-party Sony/Microsoft franchise, I'm fairly sure that buying a PS4/720 would be a much better investment than buying a WiiU. The extra graphical horsepower is an added bonus.

 

[TwEE-N-Toast]

Whats with all the mentions of "Salt" in this thread. Am I missing something? Is this alluding to tears?

 

[statham]

score one for nintendo, this definitely increases the odds of me buying one.

 

[Opiate]

I can't believe this argument is still happening.

I can't speak for everyone, but I can say that for a lot of people, the breakdown goes like this:

First, we're supremely happy to be getting a Bayonetta sequel, as it was looking like we weren't going to.
Of far less importance is the console that it's appearing on. This issue is largely irrespective of the fact that Nintendo probably saved the day here because the entire argument is that it would be a whole lot more convenient for many of us -- such as those of us who have been disappointed in the past by owning a Nintendo console -- if the game were multiplatform. Again, this is far less important than the announcement of the game itself, which no one has any reason to be unhappy about.

I suppose the fuel that keeps the fire burning is that it's really easy to frame this debate as some console wars bullshit when really the argument has nothing to do with that.

Okay, let's work this through. Why would it be more convenient if it were multiplatform?

 

[Muchi Muchi Pink]

Whats with all the mentions of "Salt" in this thread. Am I missing something? Is this alluding to tears?

Tears are salty, so yes.

 

[dummydecoy]

Okay, so now it's no longer all exclusives, just exclusives which switch platforms. All right, I have two questions.

1) Are you aware that all evidence suggests this game was cancelled, and that Nintendo revived it? The alternative to Bayonetta 2 on the Wii U is not PS3/360, it is nothing at all. Do you still object?

2) Would you object if the game were announced for PS4/720? Because if it were, you would need to buy a whole new platform to play it, which is apparently your primary objection.

Ah, I did not know about #1. I understand your point.
On #2, no objections at all because I already intend to buy one of them next-gen consoles.

Spoiler

WiiU isn't next-gen!

Apologies for my late rage. Enjoy your new game, WiiU.

 

[Nibel]

Whats with all the mentions of "Salt" in this thread. Am I missing something? Is this alluding to tears?

GAF posts are like fries, and negative content is like salt

Spoiler

Yes

 

[blainethemono]

I can't believe this argument is still happening.

I can't speak for everyone, but I can say that for a lot of people, the breakdown goes like this:

First, we're supremely happy to be getting a Bayonetta sequel, as it was looking like we weren't going to.
Of far less importance is the console that it's appearing on. This issue is largely irrespective of the fact that Nintendo probably saved the day here because the entire argument is that it would be a whole lot more convenient for many of us -- such as those of us who have been disappointed in the past by owning a Nintendo console -- if the game were multiplatform. Again, this is far less important than the announcement of the game itself, which no one has any reason to be unhappy about.

I suppose the fuel that keeps the fire burning is that it's really easy to frame this debate as some console wars bullshit when really the argument has nothing to do with that.

That's exactly how I feel. Bayonetta is my favorite game of this generation and there's no way I would be able to miss the sequel. It's pretty much one of the only games they could have gotten as an exclusive to make me buy a new system just to play it. I've only really played 2 games on the original wii and I didn't intend to buy a wii u, but after being really depressed about the initial reports of it being cancelled, i'm just incredibly happy that the game is still alive. i'm just really grateful that this is even happening.

 

[Alucrid]

Okay, let's work this through. Why would it be more convenient if it were multiplatform?

I feel like this has probably been going around in circles for the past few pages.

-because we wouldn't have to buy a wii u
-but without the wii u the game wouldn't exist
-but it would be more convenient if it were multiplatform

 

[Forever]

Are you new here?

In what ways is Bayonetta mediocre?

I'm starting to get a sneaking suspicion that you've never actually played the game.

 

[Vinci]

I suppose the fuel that keeps the fire burning is that it's really easy to frame this debate as some console wars bullshit when really the argument has nothing to do with that.

Keep telling yourself that.

 

[Zoe]

2) Would you object if the game were announced for PS4/720? Because if it were, you would need to buy a whole new platform to play it, which is apparently your primary objection.

It's generally easier for someone to swallow a generational shift because the assumption is that a platform's successor will have the same kind of games that made you buy the predecessor.

Final Fantasy (or Square in general) is the only franchise that has made me switch makers. Bayonetta is small fries compared to Square's games though.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

In what ways is Bayonetta mediocre?

I'm starting to get a sneaking suspicion that you've never actually played the game.

Isn't Dennis a "PC guy only"?

 

[demidar]

In what ways is Bayonetta mediocre?

I'm starting to get a sneaking suspicion that you've never actually played the game.

Depth is only there for those perceptive enough to see it. That's all I'll say.

 

[Ezalc]

No PS3/360? I hope this game sucks more than NG3. Fuckin exclusives.

Dat appropriate avatar.

 

[Alucrid]

In what ways is Bayonetta mediocre?

I'm starting to get a sneaking suspicion that you've never actually played the game.

I played it. It was fun, but I don't find it worthy of gaf's hype for it, of course that happens with a lot of games.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

Nintendo's not playing this generation.

They've been slowly ramping up. The Dragon Quest coup was massive, then of course Monster Hunter. Of course smaller stuff like Fatal Frame and now Bayonetta 2. They really have an eye for nabbing up Japanese games.

 

[Opiate]

Devil's advocate here:

1) A sequel that I will 99% sure never play isn't much better than a sequel that doesn't exist.

But it is better, correct? I mean, you'd be complaining about something that you are now openly admitting is better than nothing.

2) I would prefer a PS4/720 release, because I am far more inclined to buy one of those consoles than a WiiU. No, I don't know what the final libraries of any of those consoles will be, but based on the line-ups of their predecessors

Okay, let's stop here for a moment. What, precisely, can Nintendo do to alleviate this situation? Presumably you would not buy one if the "line up" for the Wii U was the same as the "line up" for its predecessor.

Okay, that's reasonable. So now Nintendo is changing that "line up," and your response is apparently anger, or frustration, or both. If the line up stays the same, you ignore them; if the line up starts adding games you want, you're upset. It doesn't sound like you're leaving much room for Nintendo to win you over, here.

based on easier transfer of my PSN/Xbox Live friendlists, and based on my preference for X and Y 1st-party Sony/Microsoft franchise, I'm fairly sure that buying a PS4/720 would be a much better investment than buying a WiiU. The extra graphical horsepower is an added bonus.

Yes, this is reasonable. Both Sony and particularly Microsoft have worked very hard to lock you in to their systems so that its difficult for you to escape even if you want to.

 

[schuelma]

Devil's advocate here:

1) A sequel that I will 99% sure never play isn't much better than a sequel that doesn't exist.

2) I would prefer a PS4/720 release, because I am far more inclined to buy one of those consoles than a WiiU. No, I don't know what the final libraries of any of those consoles will be, but based on the line-ups of their predecessors, based on easier transfer of my PSN/Xbox Live friendlists, and based on my preference for X and Y 1st-party Sony/Microsoft franchise, I'm fairly sure that buying a PS4/720 would be a much better investment than buying a WiiU. The extra graphical horsepower is an added bonus.

Those are fair points, absolutely.

I guess my real disconnect with *some* posters is they do not appear to be even considering the possibility that Bayonetta 2 being scooped up by Nintendo and Nintendo appearing to have a very good relationship with the studio that made the game could mean Wii U might actually be a good choice for people who enjoyed Bayonetta.

You can look at it as a negative- "My favorite game of last generation is not coming to the console I want to buy."

You can also look at it as a positive "My favorite game of last generation is coming to a console I was not previously interested in but this is making me re-think things."

I mean, it seems relatively clear to me from Platinum's statements and the fact that they are developing 2 Wii U exclusives that Wii U right now looks like the best best for Platinum games going forward. If you love a game they made, wouldn't that at least peak your interest in the system a little bit?

 

[Seik]

It's generally easier for someone to swallow a generational shift because the assumption is that a platform's successor will have the same kind of games that made you buy the predecessor.

Final Fantasy (or Square in general) is the only franchise that has made me switch makers. Bayonetta is small fries compared to Square's games though.

I'd agree if we were 10 years back from now, but now I can say with ease that I'm much more hyped for a Bayo release than a FFXIII(2-lightning saga and all that jazz) release.

 

[Vinci]

I feel like this has probably been going around in circles for the past few pages.

-because we wouldn't have to buy a wii u
-but without the wii u the game wouldn't exist
-but it would be more convenient if it were multiplatform

Then I suggest everyone take their vitriol out on Sony and MS, not Platinum or Nintendo. Either of those companies could have done this.

 

[Chavelo]

Whats with all the mentions of "Salt" in this thread. Am I missing something? Is this alluding to tears?

Get some salt or something similarly sour, and then go to your bathroom or a place that has a mirror. Put the salt in your mouth, and then look at your face while your digesting it.

That's the same face that anyone who's getting upset is doing right now.

 

[Zeppelin]

Okay, so now it's no longer all exclusives, just exclusives which switch platforms. All right, I have two questions.

1) Are you aware that all evidence suggests this game was cancelled, and that Nintendo revived it? The alternative to Bayonetta 2 on the Wii U is not PS3/360, it is nothing at all. Do you still object?

2) Would you object if the game were announced for PS4/720? Because if it were, you would need to buy a whole new platform to play it, which is apparently your primary objection.

I don't think it's the same thing to go from a 360 to a 720 as going from a 360 to a WiiU. If you're already heavily invested in the 360 platform then Bayonetta 2 hitting on the 720 would only make the argument for buying a 720 stronger.

 

[Fugu]

Okay, let's work this through. Why would it be more convenient if it were multiplatform?

So when I make an informed decision somewhere down the line on the console I want to buy, I don't have to weight my decision by which console has Bayonetta on it. The less exclusives there are, the more games I can enjoy on one console. Say they release the sequel to another game I really want type sequel to on another console: now I have to choose between the two of them instead of having both.

 

[Kacho]

I played it. It was fun

Great.


When I was pre-ordering the Wii U at Gamestop the clerk began talking to me about the Bayonetta announcement yesterday. Some guy hanging out in the store rushed over during our conversation and gave us an 'oh shit' look and said, "Wait, Bayonetta 2 was announced for the Wii U." That guys mind was blown. haha

 

[Dennis]

In what ways is Bayonetta mediocre?

I'm starting to get a sneaking suspicion that you've never actually played the game.

Why bother? I am not going to write an assay over your salty attitude.

In short: Frequent and lengthy load times, bad camera issues. Repulsive character designs and nonsensical story. Didn't like the QTEs. Combat gameplay was OK.

Mediocre.

Isn't Dennis a "PC guy only"?

I own all the consoles and I will surely buy a Wii U.

 

[Alucrid]

Great.


When I was pre-ordering the Wii U at Gamestop the clerk began talking to me about the Bayonetta announcement yesterday. Some guy hanging out in the store rushed over during our conversation and gave us an 'oh shit' look and said, "Wait, Bayonetta 2 was announced for the Wii U." That guys mind was blown. haha

Great.

 

[Hero of Legend]

If Nintendo didn't publish Bayonetta 2, it wouldn't exist. Same can't be said for RE5. Also, every major Wii/Wii U exclusive has had meltdowns such as MHTri, DQX, and Bayonetta 2. Wii gamers only had one meltdown over RE5 but there were tons of PS360 titles.

I hope you're right, I think it would be a move of bad taste if Nintendo just swooped in and paid them to can the PS360 game to make it a Wii U exclusive.

The evidence points to the PS360 game being canned (thus having existed on them), we just don't know if it was before or after Nintendo came in.

 

[AkimbO_Arcana]

Spoiler

WiiU isn't next-gen!

*roll eyes*

Well, yes. It certainly is. The 8th generation of videogame home consoles starts on November 18th 2012.

 

[Kacho]

I own all the consoles and I will surely buy a Wii U.

Wow, you learn something new every day.

 

[Saint Gregory]

I suppose the fuel that keeps the fire burning is that it's really easy to frame this debate as some console wars bullshit when really the argument has nothing to do with that.

I was really struggling to understand how anyone could have read through even a quarter of this thread and said this but then you added this...

Because Amir0x isn't a mod any more.

Which explained everything. Thanks

 

[Opiate]

It's generally easier for someone to swallow a generational shift because the assumption is that a platform's successor will have the same kind of games that made you buy the predecessor.

But that isn't necessarily a reasonable assumption -- it's not based on what is actually happening, but on what you expect to happen. When what people expect to happen doesn't actually happen (e.g. Bayonetta 2 ending up on the Wii U, or Final Fantasy VII ending up on the PS1), people become upset because their expectations have been disrupted.

This is almost exactly what I have described in repeated and intricate detail in several posts in this thread. I can see that this is how people rationalize their behavior, and I am suggesting it is silly and illogical.

Final Fantasy (or Square in general) is the only franchise that has made me switch makers. Bayonetta is small fries compared to Square's games though.

This is a great example, is it not? What if you had, instead, stamped your feet when Final Fantasy moved from the Nintendo platforms to Sony ones, and called Sony big doody heads who steal games, just because you did not expect Final Fantasy to end up on Sony systems?

That's illogical, and so is this. I am not trying to suggest that people are huge idiots for thinking this way, because most people (including me) are tied to their expectations and have trouble adjusting when expectations blow up. People are creatures of habit. The goal is not to judge and tell people they are bad, the goal is simply to show that this behavior is illogical and, when possible, it is to be avoided.

 

[Forever]

Isn't Dennis a "PC guy only"?

That explains everything. Some people take the "master race" shit a little too seriously.

 

[Dennis]

Wow, you learn something new every day.

Must have Wii U games looks to me to be Zombie U and Lego: GTA

That explains everything. Some people take the "master race" shit a little too seriously.

And now I am sorry I bothered responding to you at all.