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notworksafe said:
Angry Wolverine with no past is the best Wolverine.

Also I'm gonna buy FF just for dat Allred art. I wonder if there will be a version with empty word bubbles...
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We should make it.

Also we should make neogaf cut of X-Force. I like Opena's art, but that team is like an AIDS, Feces, Ebola, and aborted fetus giblet blizzard from DQ. Feels bad man. :(

LiQuid! said:
On the other hand, TTOB probably has a point
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Sadly I fear this is a straight up homage, not swipe. Liefeld has done plenty of swiping, but he's also a gigantic George Perez fangirl; so this is his fanfic self-insertion moment like a Twilight fangirl.

OOF!

Never forget this is the guy that mashed up Deathstroke and Spiderman to shit out Deadpool. :|
 
The Take Out Bandit said:
Anybody reading Hypernaturals on your fancy richboy tablet things?

I'd like to know if Boom is actually making use of the faux "Click here for more info" bits on those fanciful hand computers.
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That makes me sad, because even though I'd never thought about it before because I don't really think about digital comics much, I'm sure they aren't and now it feels like a missed opportunity for added content :(
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Ugh, I think I'm just going to Breaking Bad this thread. TToB treats Mainstream Comics like they all fucked Ted.

Worst.
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Meanwhile you treat them all like they are works of god handed down from Quesada to your heart, and not pandering trash made to sell underoos to manbabies. /ttob

The reality is they are somewhere in the middle. Keeping these characters around for so goddamn long is always going to lead to stretches of low quality in the stories. The full history of the X-Men is like the shittiest soap opera of all time, but there are gems in there if you know where to look.
 
sillymonkey321 said:
I blame the back half of Marvel Now announcements for killing the mood in this thread.
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I agree. Marvel did some pretty horrible announcements in very little time. I am doubting this whole Marvel Now shenanigans, now. Not only the X books, but the avengers side of things too; which I was on board earlier. Reading those Alonso columns on CBR have not helped at all.

Not to say the bandit doesn't have a million points I agree with, but that's a debate I'm not ready to have so I'll just cheer from the back. I just wanted that the guys who don't like to do superheroes would not make them, but the Big 2 is a vortex that eats a lot more talent than it should.
 
I agree with Bandit. Pablum might be a little harsh, but I do think superhero comics have evolved into being just action soap operas, heavy on the melodrama, crossovers and events. That's fine if you want to devote yourself to a universe and follow a soap opera, but I find it predictable, tedious, and easy to get sick of. There are several writers and books that do it extremely well. Some characters are very cool, but you pretty much know what to expect and it's safe and reliable action escapism if you don't mind the melodrama, or perhaps that's what you want in a comic.

I just don't understand fans who want nothing else and completely snub all other forms of comics. I think indie comics can be much more interesting, innovative and creative, and definately not as predictable. Yes, there is plenty of indie junk as well. A lot of the licensed comics are very predictable, but it's also easy to enjoy familiar characters without worrying about back history, continuity, or the need for detailed character development. Your going to get good and bad writing and art in every genre, but finding the really creative gold is very rewarding.

I've enjoyed indie a lot more than superhero because I think it can be much more thought provoking and innovative. I also prefer miniseries because they get to the point, tell the story, and end it without milking it. Too many ongoings have bad stories, stretched stories, filler issues, guest creators, and basically milk the title just because it's selling. Both superhero and indie can be guilty of this.

Nothing wrong with enjoying just superhero, but I prefer both and feel a lot of readers are missing out on some real quality work if they're not willing to branch out and try something that isn't within their safe and predictable comfort zone.
 
I read comics because I like to be entertained. I read all kinds. Some superhero comics I love, some other ones I love. I get more entertainment out of the superhero ones.

Simple as that.
 
So I just learned of the new Thunderbolts series.
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Ugh Same-face Dillon...ugh...and I personally find Way's writing to be hit or miss, I stopped reading his Deadpool run months ago.
 
The Take Out Bandit said:
Sadly I fear this is a straight up homage, not swipe. Liefeld has done plenty of swiping, but he's also a gigantic George Perez fangirl; so this is his fanfic self-insertion moment like a Twilight fangirl.

OOF!

Never forget this is the guy that mashed up Deathstroke and Spiderman to shit out Deadpool. :|
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IDK "homaging" an entire comic book is a little sketchy
 
The Take Out Bandit said:
I'm going to chalk this up to me dropping out of Marvel Comics before most of you were born, or cognizant and hope time will teach you. :P

I've heard nothing but good thing about Slott's Spiderman.
I've listened to interviews he's done that really sell the books.
I love Stefano Caselli.
I love Humberto Ramos.
I love Reilly Brown.

I can't read it. Shit is just terrible to me.

I don't need more Spiderman in my life. Just don't need it. At all.

I wish all those talented artists would go work on creator owned books so I could have something they make I can read.

Ramos has worked on Crimson which was great. Out There also great. Hoping Fairy Quest is great.

Reilly Brown was doing a team powers book, but it was set in New York City. No thanks.

For Stefano Caselli I'd rather find his Italian Playboy work.
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fuck it, i need to know. how old are you exactly?
 
I'll be back to reply, but just got off the phone with the publisher. They need illustrations NOW NOW NOW! :(

As I feared, my buddy screwed the pooch with his douchey artistic expression of his feeble talented self AND NOT JUST FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS.

FFFFUUUUCK!

See you suckers Monday. :(
 
drkOne said:
Looking for some opinions on the sales at Comixology.

Executive Assistant Iris?
The Sixth Gun?
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First issue of Sixth Gun is free on comixology, i got it and read it to figure out if its worth buying during the sale too. I thought it was good outside of the Pinkertons all looking the same to me, but it did a good job of selling me on the book based on one issue.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
I read comics because I like to be entertained. I read all kinds. Some superhero comics I love, some other ones I love. I get more entertainment out of the superhero ones.

Simple as that.
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I feel you. I just wanna see Jean Grey fly around in skin-tight green outfits blowing stuff up with psychic fire. Her adventures could be as zany as hell as long as that was what was goin' on. Freakin', it could be Jean Grey and Galacta fighting Zombie Rocket Racoon clones sent at them by Mr. Sinister's half-sister from an alternate time-line and I literally would not care as long as I got to see Jean fly around and wreck stuff.


COMICS-GAF, where do I begin with the Batman Beyond comic? 1999 or 2010?
 
CorvoSol said:
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COMICS-GAF, where do I begin with the Batman Beyond comic? 1999 or 2010?
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I've never read the 1999 version but I've been on board with the 2010 incarnation, the one that's still currently ongoing, since day one and it's really good. Maybe start with the current and see if you can find a cheap collection of the older one?
 
Filthy Slug said:
I've never read the 1999 version but I've been on board with the 2010 incarnation, the one that's still currently ongoing, since day one and it's really good. Maybe start with the current and see if you can find a cheap collection of the older one?
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As long as the older one has no bearing on the ongoing adventures, that sounds fine to me.
 
I don't think it does--it more so just takes off the basics established in the cartoon. I'd say if you know the main characters and the word shway , you're solid. Also, Jokerz. Mad Jokerz.
 
Quick shots. No time for love Dr. Jones!

drkOne said:
Looking for some opinions on the sales at Comixology.

Executive Assistant Iris?
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Oh Joesus no! This book is crap.

The Sixth Gun?
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Joesus yes!

CorvoSol said:
COMICS-GAF, where do I begin with the Batman Beyond comic? 1999 or 2010?
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The OG series was great. I'm shit with television so I read the comics instead. Extremely competent and complimentary to the events of the TV series which I caught later on DVD.

Two more illos and I'll have hit 15 for the day. WE ARE BURNING RANGERS GO! THEY WILL NEVER RET YOU DOOOOWN! HYPER BURNING RANGERS WOW! DON'T YOU LOSE YOUR HOPES!
 
Filthy Slug said:
I don't think it does--it more so just takes off the basics established in the cartoon. I'd say if you know the main characters and the word shway , you're solid. Also, Jokerz. Mad Jokerz.
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I thought it was Schwei. But man the show's slang was so funny.

The Take Out Bandit said:
The OG series was great. I'm shit with television so I read the comics instead. Extremely competent and complimentary to the events of the TV series which I caught later on DVD.
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I got the first issue of the 1999 era because it was free.

So Comics-GAF, you have actually managed to get me to buy a comic for the first time in a long time, and a DC one to boot. Usually I just scoop 'em up at the Library, but man, for $2 it's still a steal.

Just read the first one of the 2010 era, and I gotta say, it's off to a nice start. "He told me to Hush!" Awwww yeah!
 
The Take Out Bandit said:
You're missing my point.

"Death" in comics doesn't mean shit. You know it. I know it. I was out of Spiderman long before they did that Uncle Ben / Gwen Stacy shit, but I'd interested to hear what suckers that stuck around for it genuinely felt about it.

Bottom line: Stop burning calories pretending Marvel gives a damn. They don't.



Just walk away.

I haven't given a shit about what Mehvel is doing since 1992 and it's great! I briefly got suckered back with Civil Bore, but after that I was done once more. So awful! :D

Some times they'll hire creators I like to legitimize a character (Ennis/Punisher, Loeb/Rulk, Milligan/X-Force). The rest of the time they churn out pablum for the addicts who can't break the habit.
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wait so captain marvel ......isnt dead then?
 
sillymonkey321 said:
Absolute Top Ten by Alan Moore. Worth it?
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Are you asking about the quality of the trade? If so, no idea. I have the softcover TPBs from like 10 years ago. If you are asking about the quality of the story then definitely yes. I really enjoyed Top Ten. Probably more so than some of Alan Moore's more famous works.
 
The Take Out Bandit said:
My Wolverine was a complete mystery, more prone to stabbing you in the face while reading Penthouse in a malt shop while smoking a stogie
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Don't make me cry man...it's a damn shame what Marvel has done to Wolverine...

I just wish they had killed him in AvX instead of you know who...
 
I thought Weapon X was the last time there was an "acceptable" addition to Wolverine's back-story because it didn't really answer any questions. Things started to go downhill when they retconned his claws to be part of his body and then he was ruined by the Jemas/Jenkins origin story.
 
kswiston said:
Are you asking about the quality of the trade? If so, no idea. I have the softcover TPBs from like 10 years ago. If you are asking about the quality of the story then definitely yes. I really enjoyed Top Ten. Probably more so than some of Alan Moore's more famous works.
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Definitely a question about the quality of the story weighted against the cost of an Absolute. I like the Absolute format, but only for great books.
 
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku! said:
I thought Weapon X was the last time there was an "acceptable" addition to Wolverine's back-story because it didn't really answer any questions. Things started to go downhill when they retconned his claws to be part of his body and then he was ruined by the Jemas/Jenkins origin story.
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I dunno, the bone claw reveal in Wolverine #75 blew my 13 or 14 year old mind.
 
What the hell happened to this thread? (Rhetorical.)

And I like Wolverine now. The "James Howlett" stuff he can do without, but everything else -- yes, even being a deadbeat dad -- has been interesting and varied and better than being perpetually locked into lone wolf mode.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
What the hell happened to this thread? (Rhetorical.)

And I like Wolverine now. The "James Howlett" stuff he can do without, but everything else -- yes, even being a deadbeat dad -- has been interesting and varied and better than being perpetually locked into lone wolf mode.
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non-rhetorical.

Avengers Arena and Cable and X-Force happened. :(

December solicits need to hit to find more things to talk about outside of massive slaughter of young Marvel characters. Also, TTOB hates things.
 
tim1138 said:
I dunno, the bone claw reveal in Wolverine #75 blew my 13 or 14 year old mind.
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I understand why it was done. They had Magneto rip out his adamantium in the main X-Men comic and the writer of Wolverine had to deal with the consequences. Obviously he was going to find a way to keep things relatively the same (until they made him turn wolverine into an animal). It just didn't jive at all with what had been written before. That's a hallmark of Wolverine backstory though I guess LOL.
 
In Exiles Mimic has copied Wolverines powers. But Mimic grew bone claws which is cool its part of his mutation. But how are they effective weapons? They're just bones. They'll break and in the comic they never did.

Comics!
 
Dudes, the Cable and X-Force was the straw that broke the camel's back. Just pure garbage. I'm going to keep buying Hawkeye and Gambit until they get canceled, then Idk what I'm going to read except Wolvie and the X-men. Marvel Now is a joke.
 
Parallax said:
How is he able to move his arms with his claws so long?

And I think krypto was right. We have become too cynical for our own good. That cable design makes me want to slap the shit out of somebody.
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I like wallowing in a sea of my own cynicism.

Also, something something mutant.

Now I have to break out my Larry Hama Wolverine issues.
 
Headmaster Wolverine may not be better than Ninja Wolverine, but he is way better than "Healing-Factor-Makes-Me-Indestructible-So-I-Will-Fumble-Violently-Into-Stuff-So-They-Die-And-I-Don't" Wolverine.
 
Sblargh said:
Headmaster Wolverine may not be better than Ninja Wolverine, but he is way better than "Healing-Factor-Makes-Me-Indestructible-So-I-Will-Fumble-Violently-Into-Stuff-So-They-Die-And-I-Don't" Wolverine.
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I haven't kept up with WATXM, have they actually stopped having Wolverine act as if he needs to be the Juggs/Colossus of the team?

As for past Wolverine, I disagree with Bone Claws being bad. The actual issue where it happened still holds up in my mind and the Bone Claw Wolverine at the start had a ton of potentail. Granted alot of things that came from it ended up not being the best, but the idea and what could've been is still great in my mind.

Still one of the very few original copies that I keep on hand and flip through every now and then.
 
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku! said:
I understand why it was done. They had Magneto rip out his adamantium in the main X-Men comic and the writer of Wolverine had to deal with the consequences. Obviously he was going to find a way to keep things relatively the same (until they made him turn wolverine into an animal). It just didn't jive at all with what had been written before. That's a hallmark of Wolverine backstory though I guess LOL.
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That was my favorite part about Logan of that era, his back story was such a muddled mess writers could do whatever they wanted.

I wonder how Fatal Attractions holds up these days. Maybe I'll dig out my floppies tomorrow...
 
tim1138 said:
That was my favorite part about Logan of that era, his back story was such a muddled mess writers could do whatever they wanted.

I wonder how Fatal Attractions holds up these days. Maybe I'll dig out my floppies tomorrow...
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The funny thing is that around that time Larry Hama did a story where Wolverine finally got all of his memory blocks removed so that nobody could ever use the false memory excuse to retcon anything and yet here we are 20 years later and Jeph Loeb is still using it.

Marvel just put out a nice Fatal Attractions hardcover. Maybe a tad overpriced, but definitely worth it with that amazon discount.
 
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku! said:
The funny thing is that around that time Larry Hama did a story where Wolverine finally got all of his memory blocks removed so that nobody could ever use the false memory excuse to retcon anything and yet here we are 20 years later and Jeph Loeb is still using it.

Marvel just put out a nice Fatal Attractions hardcover. Maybe a tad overpriced, but definitely worth it with that amazon discount.
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No need for the hc, I have the loose issues. Plus I bet the hc doesn't have those nifty holograms the floppies had! $60 for what, a 5 or 6 issue story is pretty ridiculous.
 
tim1138 said:
No need for the hc, I have the loose issues. Plus I bet the hc doesn't have those nifty holograms the floppies had! $60 for what, a 5 or 6 issue story is pretty ridiculous.
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It's got like 20 issues. It has all the issues that lead up to it like Uncanny 300 when they fight the acolytes and find Magneto's helmet and the first two X-Men Unlimited issues where Magneto returns from the dead. No holograms though :(.
 
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