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[UrbanRats]

4chan eh?


Is the Bayonetta thread the new Epic Mickey thread?

I don't know really, to be honest i rarely go there nowadays, but i was speaking in general.

 

[Mumei]

I do not like the waiting list, it makes no sense. Why would you want to discourage members from joining?

It is not about discouraging people from joining; it is about staggering waves of new users so we are not inundated by new users. When we (and when I say "we" here, I mean "GAF as a community"; the admins might have their own or different reasons but I haven't asked) have staggered introductions of new users, it allows us to see how a group of a new juniors do. The ones who are either not a good fit for the community or who might be but couldn't take the time to figure out what the social mores here usually do not last particularly long, leaving us with (mostly) users who are a better fit.

If instead we had a constant stream of new users without the bottleneck, we would have long term active members far outnumbered by new users, a far worse problem with alts, and, frankly, the moderation load would just be dreadful.

 

[Snuggles]

If instead we had a constant stream of new users without the bottleneck, we would have long term active members far outnumbered by new users, a far worse problem with alts, and, frankly, the moderation load would just be dreadful.

That actually sounds pretty fun. Crazy juniors causing havoc and spurned alts coming back faster than they're being banned while panicked mods fire rounds into the crowd. Glorious mayhem.

 

[Cyan]

That actually sounds pretty fun. Crazy juniors causing havoc and spurned alts coming back faster than they're being banned while panicked mods fire rounds into the crowd. Glorious mayhem.

See: Eternal September.

 

[Mumei]

That actually sounds pretty fun. Crazy juniors causing havoc and spurned alts coming back faster than they're being banned while panicked mods fire rounds into the crowd. Glorious mayhem.

It sounds like GameFAQs.

 

[Hitokage]

That actually sounds pretty fun. Crazy juniors causing havoc and spurned alts coming back faster than they're being banned while panicked mods fire rounds into the crowd. Glorious mayhem.

There are definitely websites which cater to that need. Unfortunately, that isn't our intention here.

 

[Razek]

It is not about discouraging people from joining; it is about staggering waves of new users so we are not inundated by new users. When we (and when I say "we" here, I mean "GAF as a community"; the admins might have their own or different reasons but I haven't asked) have staggered introductions of new users, it allows us to see how a group of a new juniors do. The ones who are either not a good fit for the community or who might be but couldn't take the time to figure out what the social mores here usually do not last particularly long, leaving us with (mostly) users who are a better fit.

If instead we had a constant stream of new users without the bottleneck, we would have long term active members far outnumbered by new users, a far worse problem with alts, and, frankly, the moderation load would just be dreadful.

This post makes Gaf sound like some freakish evolutionary simulator were only the worthy and adaptable posters survive.

 

[Holy Wars]

This post makes Gaf sound like some freakish evolutionary simulator were only the worthy and adaptable posters survive.

We are the elite.

 

[Hitokage]

This post makes Gaf sound like some freakish evolutionary simulator were only the worthy and adaptable posters survive.

Nah, it's more of a homogenizing force.

 

[Mumei]

Nah, it's more of a homogenizing force.

This is more of what I was going for. Sort of like the way countries don't have complete open immigration in order to facilitate the naturalization of new citizens, I guess.

 

[charlequin]

Meh.. I'll take the good ol' days of Crash vs Nights vs Mario over today's stuff.

It is somewhat more endearing when small children are doing it on the playground over juiceboxes than when grown adults get into it on the intertubes, yes.

 

[Bossun]

I remember the long wait to have my account validated.

It took two weeks. God did I rub it in my friend's face who had been waiting for almost a year at that time.

 

[Htown]

so is it like, entirely random? Like some script picks a group of X size at random from all applicants to be let in?

 

[Clockblockers]

That actually sounds pretty fun. Crazy juniors causing havoc and spurned alts coming back faster than they're being banned while panicked mods fire rounds into the crowd. Glorious mayhem.

That made me wonder what the percentage of account activation's are never used? Since there can be a lag in signing up and actually being approved I could imagine a small percentage of people forgot about signing up and never log onto GAF.

 

[flippymittens]

Yup gaf is too strict.


=D

For me it is not that GAF is too strict as previously discussed but is unfair in how it is strict.

Earlier discussion illustrates this and the expectation from administrators and moderators for certain disliked posters to report posts while they actively mod others posts.

In essence certain posters receive administrators/moderators that are passive rather than active like for most of the community.

 

[spacerumsfield]

For me it is not that GAF is too strict as previously discussed but is unfair in how it is strict.

Earlier discussion illustrates this and the expectation from administrators and moderators for certain disliked posters to report posts while they actively mod others posts.

In essence certain posters receive administrators/moderators that are passive rather than active like for most of the community.

Which 'ism' does this behavior fall under?

 

[kehs]

Which 'ism' does this behavior fall under?

juniorism

Spoiler

*sobs*

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

I've taken my punishment for years. I sometimes wonder if I'll ever be un-juniored. Sometimes I dream of what threads I would make. I learned my lesson. I paid my dues.


It hurts in my heart.

 

[FO-totality]

I've taken my punishment for years. I sometimes wonder if I'll ever be un-juniored. Sometimes I dream of what threads I would make. I learned my lesson. I paid my dues.


It hurts in my heart.

I've paid my dues
Time after time
I've done my sentence
but committed no crime
And bad mistakes
I've made a few
I've had my share of sand kicked
But I've come through

 

[Reversed]

Yes, but its strictness makes Gaf what it is.

I wish it was more strict on fanboyism behavior, though.

 

[Redford]

I do not like the waiting list, it makes no sense. Why would you want to discourage members from joining?

You're here now, don't worry about it. The last junior wave was big (and awful) enough.

 

[Stumpokapow]

For me it is not that GAF is too strict as previously discussed but is unfair in how it is strict.

Earlier discussion illustrates this and the expectation from administrators and moderators for certain disliked posters to report posts while they actively mod others posts.

In essence certain posters receive administrators/moderators that are passive rather than active like for most of the community.

We've made this very clear -- this is not what we do. Moderators and administrators moderate the threads that they read. They have a limited amount of time. They are not paid. They do not have a quota. They do not have any obligations, and the amount of time each gives is flexible. I have done essentially no moderation for the last month due to being in the middle of a frustrating and prolonged move.

Moderation is always situational, but beyond that, people who insult each other will be punished. It doesn't matter if they're insulting a poster that doesn't post something I don't like, or that other mods don't like. If it for some reason feels like this is not the case, the two defences I offer are:

1) A moderator missing a post is not a moderator sanctioning a post. Just because someone hasn't been punished doesn't mean that the post has been reviewed and found not to be punishable. Even when a moderator is posting in a thread, that doesn't mean they've had a chance to review every post. They also may have posted in the thread and moved on.

2) Just because a user disagrees with you does not mean they are insulting you, and many people perceive that posts are insulting regardless of whether or not they are to a moderator's standards. So if a post has been reviewed, it's possible a moderator simply disagrees. Not because of who is on the receiving end of the post, but because of the content of the post.

No one is obliged to report posts to moderators in order to receive assistance. There has literally never been a case of a moderator finding an actionable post and then saying "Well, I don't like this poster, so I'll wait for him/her to complain before I deal with it". But reporting posts is a good way to ensure that a moderator hasn't missed the post (or the thread).

 

[Stumpokapow]

Well, but that's GAF for you, most of the rules don't apply if your talking about the master race.

A random sampling of port begging since E3:
Port begging to PC, banned and this guy, presumably, and this guy
Port begging to Mac, banned
Port begging to Vita, banned
Port begging to 360, banned
Port begging to PS3, banned
Port begging to iOS, banned
Port begging to PS3/360 instead of Wii U, and this guy, and this guy, and this guy,
Port begging to PSN/XBLA, banned (bonus points: aggro flameout about Platinum Games working on P-100 instead of Bayonetta 2)
Not really a 3DS port beg, but complaining that a game was made for Vita instead of 3DS

We ban people for port begging to and from every platform.

We also ban people for rude, snippy, "MY CONSOLE OF CHOICE IS SUPERIOR" stuff for and against every single console. Here's an example of a recent pro-PC ban 1. Anti-PC. Generic master race crap. Pro-PC. Anti-PC. Hysterical and rude defence of Blizzard. Hysterical and rude attacking Blizzard.

 

[ScOULaris]

I've taken my punishment for years. I sometimes wonder if I'll ever be un-juniored. Sometimes I dream of what threads I would make. I learned my lesson. I paid my dues.


It hurts in my heart.

Tearful brofist. :'(

 

[hateradio]

I'd unjunior someone after a decade.

 

[Rentahamster]

I sometimes wonder if I'll ever be un-juniored.

It may depend on the terrorists' law.

 

[Mumei]

We've made this very clear -- this is not what we do. Moderators and administrators moderate the threads that they read. They have a limited amount of time. They are not paid. They do not have a quota. They do not have any obligations, and the amount of time each gives is flexible.

Mmhm.

I would also like to add that going through a problematic topic can be considerably more time consuming than one might expect, and certainly more time consuming than I had first expected. You actually have to read (nearly) all of the posts and consider them in context, decide which things are borderline-but-okay and which things actually require moderation, check those people's records, and if it is a particularly bad topic - as opposed to one or two one-off bad posts - you'll probably end up discussing it with another moderator. I do not read through most topics thinking, "I am looking for things to moderate", and I suspect most of us are the same in that respect.

So, as you said later, even when we read a topic we may not be reading thoroughly through every post looking for offending material because doing so can be extremely time consuming and is simply not worth doing for every topic because likely ninety-nine percent of all posts are perfectly copacetic.

I have done essentially no moderation for the last month due to being in the middle of a frustrating and prolonged move.

I do hope it works out for you soon. I have missed you.

 

[Hitokage]

It may depend on the terrorists' law.

Oh right, you're that guy.

 

[Cyan]

I've taken my punishment for years. I sometimes wonder if I'll ever be un-juniored. Sometimes I dream of what threads I would make. I learned my lesson. I paid my dues.


It hurts in my heart.

*quick search*

It says right in the edited thread title, dude: you'll be getting un-juniored shortly after Jesus' return. Be patient!

 

[kehs]

A random sampling of port begging since E3:
Port begging to PC, banned and this guy, presumably, and this guy
Port begging to Mac, banned
Port begging to Vita, banned
Port begging to 360, banned
Port begging to PS3, banned
Port begging to iOS, banned
Port begging to PS3/360 instead of Wii U, and this guy, and this guy, and this guy,
Port begging to PSN/XBLA, banned (bonus points: aggro flameout about Platinum Games working on P-100 instead of Bayonetta 2)
Not really a 3DS port beg, but complaining that a game was made for Vita instead of 3DS

We ban people for port begging to and from every platform.

We also ban people for rude, snippy, "MY CONSOLE OF CHOICE IS SUPERIOR" stuff for and against every single console. Here's an example of a recent pro-PC ban 1. Anti-PC. Generic master race crap. Pro-PC. Anti-PC. Hysterical and rude defence of Blizzard. Hysterical and rude attacking Blizzard.

Can I ask for member port from my junior console?

 

[Holy Wars]

I don't see why people get banned for stating PC gamers are the master race. Isn't that just unconscious knowledge?

 

[Metalmurphy]

A random sampling of port begging since E3:
Port begging to PC, banned and this guy, presumably, and this guy
Port begging to Mac, banned
Port begging to Vita, banned
Port begging to 360, banned
Port begging to PS3, banned
Port begging to iOS, banned
Port begging to PS3/360 instead of Wii U, and this guy, and this guy, and this guy,
Port begging to PSN/XBLA, banned (bonus points: aggro flameout about Platinum Games working on P-100 instead of Bayonetta 2)
Not really a 3DS port beg, but complaining that a game was made for Vita instead of 3DS

We ban people for port begging to and from every platform.

We also ban people for rude, snippy, "MY CONSOLE OF CHOICE IS SUPERIOR" stuff for and against every single console. Here's an example of a recent pro-PC ban 1. Anti-PC. Generic master race crap. Pro-PC. Anti-PC. Hysterical and rude defence of Blizzard. Hysterical and rude attacking Blizzard.

Post was a joke, but based on some truth.

Quite obviously I did not mean "most of the rules", but one post, very recent post, doesn't really disprove what I was trying to say. Port begging for the PC seems to go ignored most of the time, hell Red Dead Redemption alone is probably in the thousands and I never saw anyone get banned for it. And the majority of PC GAF has an obnoxious holier then you attitude in most of the posts.

And this is coming from someone that loves his PC gaming btw.

 

[flippymittens]

We've made this very clear -- this is not what we do. Moderators and administrators moderate the threads that they read. They have a limited amount of time. They are not paid. They do not have a quota. They do not have any obligations, and the amount of time each gives is flexible. I have done essentially no moderation for the last month due to being in the middle of a frustrating and prolonged move.

Moderation is always situational, but beyond that, people who insult each other will be punished. It doesn't matter if they're insulting a poster that doesn't post something I don't like, or that other mods don't like. If it for some reason feels like this is not the case, the two defences I offer are:

1) A moderator missing a post is not a moderator sanctioning a post. Just because someone hasn't been punished doesn't mean that the post has been reviewed and found not to be punishable. Even when a moderator is posting in a thread, that doesn't mean they've had a chance to review every post. They also may have posted in the thread and moved on.

2) Just because a user disagrees with you does not mean they are insulting you, and many people perceive that posts are insulting regardless of whether or not they are to a moderator's standards. So if a post has been reviewed, it's possible a moderator simply disagrees. Not because of who is on the receiving end of the post, but because of the content of the post.

No one is obliged to report posts to moderators in order to receive assistance. There has literally never been a case of a moderator finding an actionable post and then saying "Well, I don't like this poster, so I'll wait for him/her to complain before I deal with it". But reporting posts is a good way to ensure that a moderator hasn't missed the post (or the thread).

I have never said 2) so no idea why you insist on making this strawman, especially when earlier I explained that I never said this.
I am aware moderators do not see everything but when they are in the same thread and posts literally right above theirs are insulting other users it illustrates that moderators have bias.
I know you want to pretend it is all fair and GAF is not unfairly strict to some but that is just not the case.

Furthermore, in my opinion the Post your Picture thread should be closed... I am sure I am not the only poster who reads the thread and is deeply offended said thread exists.
Racism, sexism, etc. are all real problems, so why let the community know the identity/appearance/race/gender of a user... Do you not see how that can lead to GAF being less strict for certain users?

 

[Hitokage]

Furthermore, in my opinion the Post your Picture thread should be closed... I am sure I am not the only poster who reads the thread and is deeply offended said thread exists.
Racism, sexism, etc. are all real problems, so why let the community know the identity/appearance/race/gender of a user... Do you not see how that can lead to GAF being less strict for certain users?

If you actually cared about any of this you wouldn't have made the claim you have low IQ.

 

[flippymittens]

If you actually cared about any of this you wouldn't have made the claim you have low IQ.

I have to do that because people make strawman arguements that I think I am all knowing and clever.

So I just state what is... My intelligence should have no impact on what I say. Also you are implying that I do not care about what I find offensive as well as demoralizing to the community?
I would claim to be curious as to why you ignored the first portion of my post. I am just sick of the moderation staff and administrators pretending they are fair in their actions they take.

 

[Hitokage]

I just can't take you very seriously when you complain about strawmen while making your own, intentionally or not.

 

[flippymittens]

I just can't take you very seriously when you complain about strawmen while making your own, intentionally or not.

How exactly am I making a strawman argument?

 

[Devolution]

Furthermore, in my opinion the Post your Picture thread should be closed... I am sure I am not the only poster who reads the thread and is deeply offended said thread exists.
Racism, sexism, etc. are all real problems, so why let the community know the identity/appearance/race/gender of a user... Do you not see how that can lead to GAF being less strict for certain users?

 

[kaioshade]

Only the obscenely long wait time for activation is something that bugs me. Especially when people would like to give actual decent additions to conversations.

 

[reggie]

Furthermore, in my opinion the Post your Picture thread should be closed... I am sure I am not the only poster who reads the thread and is deeply offended said thread exists.

Deeply offended...? wat... lol.

Racism, sexism, etc. are all real problems, so why let the community know the identity/appearance/race/gender of a user... Do you not see how that can lead to GAF being less strict for certain users?

According to you racism/sexism are real problems yet you want to throw a blanket over everyones eyes which solves absolutely nothing. Your logic makes no sense.

 

[Devolution]

Oh apparently some people wanna talk shit and backseat mod in PMs.

 

[kehs]

Oh apparently some people wanna talk shit and backseat mod in PMs.

PRIVATE message dev.

PRIVATE

 

[Devolution]

PRIVATE message dev.

PRIVATE

Hey I haven't posted despite how hilarious it is.

 

[maxxpower]

LostVoyager's trolling us right?

 

[flippymittens]

Only the obscenely long wait time for activation is something that bugs me. Especially when people would like to give actual decent additions to conversations.

Yes I agree if you do not mind me commenting on the matter, I feel a little bit of a delay would be fine but months is excessive.

Oh apparently some people wanna talk shit and backseat mod in PMs.

How am I backseat modding. I just told you in a pm I did not fine a GIF making fun of my post to be appropriate. I would rather you explain to me your thoughts than leave an insulting GIF that demeans my statement.

It was just a suggestion. I would have appreciated you not bringing up that I pmed you in this thread but you are free to do whatever I guess, I hold no hard feelings or ill will towards you.

Deeply offended...? wat... lol.



According to you racism/sexism are real problems yet you want to throw a blanket over everyones eyes which solves absolutely nothing. Your logic makes no sense.

Well administrators and moderators are in that topic and they have given compliments in the thread.

I am not saying racism/sexism should not be dealt with but all should be given equal cover and be treated as faceless posters in my view. I am not saying this is the case but in my view it would appease some feelings of unfairness in how strict neogaf is.

 

[Devolution]

How am I backseat modding. I just told you in a pm I did not fine a GIF making fun of my post to be appropriate. I would rather you explain to me your thoughts than leave an insulting GIF that demeans my statement.

It was just a suggestion. I would have appreciated you not bringing up that I pmed you in this thread but you are free to do whatever I guess, I hold no hard feelings or ill will towards you.

Why would I reply seriously to such a joke post? I'm laughing in real life at the absurdity of your statements.

 

[Count Dookkake]

This is a fantastic voyage.

 

[flippymittens]

Why would I reply seriously to such a joke post?

It is not a joke, some members are more popular and get preferential treatment here. Some of that popularity is inspired by the posting pictures thread that establishes a face to said poster. This can be evident in the parade of praise some picture up-loaders receive in said thread.

I would imagine other posters object to the posting pictures thread as well but there is not a place to discuss it asside from this thread. I am basically saying that unless the moderators and administrators are 100% not racist/sexist/etc. Than it is rather unreasonable to let people detirmine what their gender/race is in a discussion that should be on merit.

Maybe the thread can remain but usernames/profiles not show. Then all the users that want praise can have their picture praised but not reap the benefits of a certain appearance from more active modding.

 

[Holy Wars]

If you all knew how fantastic my cleavage was you'd all show me more #respect

 

[Devolution]

It is not a joke, some members are more popular and get preferential treatment here. Some of that popularity is inspired by the posting pictures thread that establishes a face to said poster. This can be evident in the parade of praise some picture up-loaders receive in said thread.

I see you moved the goal posts. So should Sunhi stop making gifs? Chinner stop being a duck? Should we also get rid of mods? Or are you just assuming preferential treatment comes with pictures? Still hilarious though.

I would imagine other posters object to the posting pictures thread as well but there is not a place to discuss it asside from this thread. I am basically saying that unless the moderators and administrators are 100% not racist/sexist/etc. Than it is rather unreasonable to let people detirmine what their gender/race is in a discussion that should be on merit.

Maybe the thread can remain but usernames/profiles not show. Then all the users that want praise can have their picture praised but not reap the benefits of a certain appearance from more active modding.

You don't even know what you're arguing anymore do you?