Mother Jones: "Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters"

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Enron said:
Sooo....are you saying you wish we were all dead?

re: Romney's comment. I see some people running with the "My job is not to worry about those people...." and spinning it into "fuck these people" but.....he's talking about trying to win their votes. The rest of the speech I can't really defend.
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Not necessarily, but...if I had the means of brainwashing them all to my point of view, it would be my moral obligation to do so. We all feel this way, whether we'd admit it or not.

RiccochetJ said:
You're not entitled to healthcare. Oh, and we're going to force you to have that baby.
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Haha, this. "You better have that baby, but don't you dare step into our hospitals uninsured!"
 
Enron said:
Sooo....are you saying you wish we were all dead?
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I think he's trolling in a reverse kinda way. I think I've seen him make some right leaning comments on more than one occasion. Seems like he's trying to get liberal GAf to bite and play along to expose us for the heathens we are.
 
Romney must like wasting time and money then. Its impossible to win an election with 47 percent already against you

Oh wait it is impossible for him to win
 
The Technomancer said:
He says that he'll "never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives". If thats not basically saying "I'm not going to do anything about them" then I don't know what is.
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Well, i suggest you go back and listen to the speech. That whole part of the talk was about convincing segments of the population to vote for him. Going on to talk about the % of independents he'd need to convince, and even how he was going to go about and do it.
 
Guys, lets make sure we get the word out on this, I want this thing VIRAL. The public needs to know what a scumbag he is. I cant believe he was the gov of my state smh. Once upon a time Mitt wasnt so bad, but these bat shit republicans cause anyone with half a brain to go crazy like them (i.e Mcain, Romney,)
 
polyh3dron said:
He says his job isn't to worry about those people, and then speaks with disdain of anyone who gets assistance from the government such as the elderly retired, who vote predominantly republican.
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He may be speaking of them with disdain, but "im not going to worry about trying to convince them to vote for me" is a a far cry from "fuck them once i'm in office".
 
Enron said:
Sooo....are you saying you wish we were all dead?

re: Romney's comment. I see some people running with the "My job is not to worry about those people...." and spinning it into "fuck these people" but.....he's talking about trying to win their votes. The rest of the speech I can't really defend.
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Well I do have to give it to you to try and defend the only possibly defensible sentence in that whole thing. I don't think it's a good defense given the tone of the rest of it. But at least you tried.

edit: Also if the mainstream media catches this today is the day that Romney lost the election.
 
Enron said:
Well, i suggest you go back and listen to the speech. That whole part of the talk was about convincing segments of the population to vote for him. Going on to talk about the % of independents he'd need to convince, and even how he was going to go about and do it.
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That's how I see it more or less. I saw him discussing how he's going to convince those who are swayable. When there's a large percentage of people who won't vote for you automatically (whether it is justified or unjustified is not important here), he's going to look towards swaying a different base of people.

That's a pretty standard tactic, I'd imagine. Take a look at who you can and cannot sway, and sway those you can.

As for the rest of the speech, obviously some very poor rhetoric.
 
Enron said:
Well, i suggest you go back and listen to the speech. That whole part of the talk was about convincing segments of the population to vote for him. Going on to talk about the % of independents he'd need to convince, and even how he was going to go about and do it.
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I'm pretty sure people were able to understand when he spoke about which voters he was going after, don't try to spin this.

He went on a tangent when he spewed vitriol against those who he does not think will vote for him, and through his choice of words, caught a lot of prospective voters in the crossfire.

That said, I'd expect nothing less from you.
 
Enron said:
He may be speaking of them with disdain, but "im not going to worry about trying to convince them to vote for me" is a a far cry from "fuck them once i'm in office".
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The way he was speaking about them basically was a fuck you. Why should any of those 47% believe Romney will give a damn about them in office?
 
Enron said:
He may be speaking of them with disdain, but "im not going to worry about trying to convince them to vote for me" is a a far cry from "fuck them once i'm in office".
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He is completely writing them off. It's worse than fuck them once I am in office, it's fuck them before during and after I'm in office. Lots of politicians fuck over the poorer half of the population once in office, but seldom beforehand - or at least getting caught doing it.
 
Enron said:
He may be speaking of them with disdain, but "im not going to worry about trying to convince them to vote for me" is a a far cry from "fuck them once i'm in office".
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Fair enough, he's not saying "fuck them once i'm in office".

He's saying "fuck them since they won't vote for me anyways, and ESPECIALLY fuck them once I'm in office."

edit: beaten by seconds
 
Enron said:
He may be speaking of them with disdain, but "im not going to worry about trying to convince them to vote for me" is a a far cry from "fuck them once i'm in office".
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I really don't see you using "far cry" correctly here.

Disdain usually leads to a certain level of treatment. I can't see anything about Romney suggesting that its not "fuck them once i'm in office." But I also don't agree with anything he says, as I'm an elite smart person.
 
I'm not gonna front, there was no way I was going to vote for Romney.

But holy shit, this is some rotten shit. I expect this out of the "get a brain moran" type yokels, but out of a nominee for President? It's truly insulting. It's not even remotely true - not even a little bit. It's false on its face. It's just a braindead talking point from a bunch of rotten assholes. The guy running for President is supposed to rise above that.

Honestly, this would be like Obama getting in front of his rich donors and talking about how Jews control Romney's brain waves and will lead to a war with Iran. It's that nonsensical.

This really shows just how little Mitt Romney thinks of the American people. He's supposed to be running for President of the United States, not President of the people who vote for him and fuck everyone else. What a rotten asshole.
 
Enron said:
He may be speaking of them with disdain, but "im not going to worry about trying to convince them to vote for me" is a a far cry from "fuck them once i'm in office".
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Either way, both viewpoints are bad. He said "I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives." That's as close as a "Fuck them once I'm in office" as it gets. He's saying there's nothing he can do for them. They need to take responsibility. It's not his job to to "worry about them". I don't see anything else you could get out of this other than a "Fuck them" attitude either way.
 
I can't wrap my head over the fact that he actually said it. Not only is it disgusting, but how could he possibly be so stupid to say this sort of incendiary thing in company, even if it's a private fundraising?
 
Enron said:
He may be speaking of them with disdain, but "im not going to worry about trying to convince them to vote for me" is a a far cry from "fuck them once i'm in office".
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It might not be offensive in every interpretation, but he does seem to be saying he can't help 47% of this country's people. Let's not beat around the bush here, that pretty much disqualifies him from being a national politician. Effective politicians like Gingrich would lay out some kind of plan that he could claim would help them (regardless of reality, the claim is the important part.)
 
Deified Data said:
Mitt Romney, in his campaigning, has finally found his soul.

It is pitch-black.
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I'll say that this is the first time he genuinely seems confident and comfortable speaking.

Every other time he is so stiff and rehearsed.

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Its not something stupid to him. He doesn't care, which is why he said it.
 
Enron said:
He may be speaking of them with disdain, but "im not going to worry about trying to convince them to vote for me" is a a far cry from "fuck them once i'm in office".
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Except that every single policy espoused by that camp (and the people who support it) says exactly that.
 
mavs said:
It might not be offensive in every interpretation, but he does seem to be saying he can't help 47% of this country's people. Let's not beat around the bush here, that pretty much disqualifies him from being a national politician. Effective politicians like Gingrich would lay out some kind of plan that he could claim would help them (regardless of reality, the claim is the important part.)
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Yeah, I don't think even Bush Jr would say something that is as plain-as-day partisan as what Mitt just said. Really sad.
 
mavs said:
It might not be offensive in every interpretation, but he does seem to be saying he can't help 47% of this country's people. Let's not beat around the bush here, that pretty much disqualifies him from being a national politician. Effective politicians like Gingrich would lay out some kind of plan that he could claim would help them (regardless of reality, the claim is the important part.)
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Gingrich also said if it wasn't for government spending money on NASA and space exploration and the private sector was allowed to do it then we'd have like 3 moonbases by now.
 
commedieu said:
I'll say that this is the first time he genuinely seems confident and comfortable speaking.

Every other time he is so stiff and rehearsed.
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He's speaking with his fellow class of men. Of course he's comfortable.

There's a reason he doesn't sound sincere when he's talking all those freeloaders at his campaign events.
 
The Technomancer said:
Its the vitriol that he put into the word "entitlement" when discussing those luxuries modern day Americans have come to expect, like food and shelter.
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Yes! How dare we not want to freeze to death during the winter or burn from the heat during the summer. We're all just lazy! Why don't we have servants that we can use as a means of shelter! :)
 
polyh3dron said:
Gingrich also said if it wasn't for government spending money on NASA and space exploration and the private sector was allowed to do it then we'd have like 3 moonbases by now.
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But he also wanted to help the poor by having their 10-year-olds work as janitors.
 
Raine said:
Either way, both viewpoints are bad. He said "I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives." That's as close as a "Fuck them once I'm in office" as it gets. He's saying there's nothing he can do for them. They need to take responsibility. It's not his job to to "worry about them". I don't see anything else you could get out of this other than a "Fuck them" attitude either way.
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"I'll never convince them" is nothing like "There's nothing I can do for them". Good Lord at some of the mental gymnastics going on in here.

You've all equated comments based on campaign strategy to policy strategy once in office - the two are nothing alike.

So he later goes on and says he's never going to convince these people to take responsibility - does that mean he's going to write them off as president? To discontinue aid to these people? To not try and better their economic prospects so they can get themselves out of it? Has he declared war on the poor? No. Nothing like that. But here, on this message board, it's assumed that he has. Crazy.
 
Henchmen21 said:
Yes! How dare we not want to freeze to death during the winter or burn from the heat during the summer. We're all just lazy! Why don't we have servants that we can use as a means of shelter! :)
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The food part really hurts. Its like a King talking to his court.


Just disgusting to know that people will still vote for the guy, simply because they don't *like* obama. There is nothing in Romneys policy that aids the average person, its all ignored due to hate.

Bad chapter in our history. Thats for sure.

Enron said:
"I'll never convince them" is nothing like "There's nothing I can do for them". Good Lord at some of the mental gymnastics going on in here.

You've all equated comments based on campaign strategy to policy strategy once in office - the two are nothing alike.
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What mental gymnastics? As another poster said, his policy and attitudes all support his attitude and comments. We get it, you're voting for Romney, thats good for you that you can ignore all of this. But the rest of the people who have issues with taking care of your population by offering food on the governments bill - being a bad thing - are free to rip it to the bullshit that it is.

The only mental gymnastics on GAF regarding politics is from the republicans not understanding the way a female body works. Lets just start there... and move down the hole of embarrassment, like insulting international allies.
 
Enron said:
"I'll never convince them" is nothing like "There's nothing I can do for them".
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I get the point that you're making about how this is about convicing people to vote, but when your platform is heavily based on ideals of perfect human agency and responsibility "I'll never convince them to improve their lives" is tantamount to "I can't help them" since, after all, the only way to help someone is to convince them to help themselves.
The reason people are harping on this is because of the specific semantics: if all he was talking about was voting why the hell did he use the words he did?
 
Enron said:
"I'll never convince them" is nothing like "There's nothing I can do for them".
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You're right. It's worse. Because by saying "I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.", it implies there is nothing he WILL do for them. It's all their fault and they should own up to it and stop relying off government handouts.
 
Raine said:
You're right. It's worse. Because by saying "I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives." implies there is nothing he WILL do for them. It's all their fault and they should own up to it and stop relying off government handouts.
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Oh good lord, go back and read this post and realize how ridiculous this sounds. Do you really think Mitt Romney is just going to cut the poor off and let them rot? Wait, you probably do actually believe this.
 
The Technomancer said:
Yeah, its boggling my mind as well.
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And the rest of his speech all has the same tone. I get it, private fundraising parties with big donors are not the kind of place for kid gloves or grand rhetoric, but in his one true moment of sincerity, all he has to offer is his total lack of convictions, if not for his rejection to care for half of the country. It's a scary window in the world of what Bush Jr called "his base".
 
Enron said:
Oh good lord, go back and read this post and realize how ridiculous this sounds. Do you really think Mitt Romney is just going to cut the poor off and let them rot? Wait, you probably do actually believe this.
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Then why mention that they think the government should provide them food, health care, housing? Why would it matter to his campaign if he wasn't going to touch that stuff?
 
Enron said:
Oh good lord, go back and read this post and realize how ridiculous this sounds. Do you really think Mitt Romney is just going to cut the poor off and let them rot? Wait, you probably do actually believe this.
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let me ask.

If you think someone is beyond help. Exactly how much time do you spend helping them?
 
Enron said:
Oh good lord, go back and read this post and realize how ridiculous this sounds. Do you really think Mitt Romney is just going to cut the poor off and let them rot? Wait, you probably do actually believe this.
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Of course he won't, that's politically impossible. He certainly wouldn't be able to cut Medicare (at least I hope not)
But I certainly don't expect one single action from his administration designed to increase help for the poor (in any form, not just handouts)
 
So is this guy's campaign finally legitimately dead or is there still a chance he can swing enough morons along and win the election?
 
Enron said:
"I'll never convince them" is nothing like "There's nothing I can do for them". Good Lord at some of the mental gymnastics going on in here.

You've all equated comments based on campaign strategy to policy strategy once in office - the two are nothing alike.

So he later goes on and says he's never going to convince these people to take responsibility - does that mean he's going to write them off as president? To discontinue aid to these people? To not try and better their economic prospects so they can get themselves out of it? Has he declared war on the poor? No. Nothing like that. But here, on this message board, it's assumed that he has. Crazy.
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The only mental gymnastics being performed ITT are by you, trying to justify voting for such a despicable human being to be our President.

He just called 47% of this country freeloaders.
 
Enron said:
Oh good lord, go back and read this post and realize how ridiculous this sounds. Do you really think Mitt Romney is just going to cut the poor off and let them rot? Wait, you probably do actually believe this.
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Why are you acting like people are saying Romney will send poor people to death camps?

We're saying he will probably enact no policies to actually help them. And there's no reason, going off this video, Republican policies, etc, to believe otherwise. Thinking otherwise is what's crazy.
 
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