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What's the difference between payroll and income? Isn't it the same thing? I've only ever heard of income tax (what I pay in NZ), and it looks more like the second chart.
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What's the difference between payroll and income? Isn't it the same thing? I've only ever heard of income tax (what I pay in NZ), and it looks more like the second chart.
Black Mamba
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Yes, payroll and income taxes are the same. We just have a silly way of separating them because in theory, social security taxes can only go for social security (excess payments are used to buy gov't bonds)
Think of it as 2 separate income taxes. 1 is 7.5% up to $108k and after that is paid, we have a second by the guidelines I posted with deductions thrown in.
These two taxes should not be separated, IMO, but that is for another thread.
I truly believe that two factors are more to blame than simple stupidity:
1. The two party system. If you disagree with Obama on a matter that is close to your heart (Let's take gay marriage, for the sake of this argument) you have no choice but to vote for Romney, even if he works against you in many ways.
2. The belief that the/any other guy could do better economically. Which of course is pure conjecture, and IMO pretty improbable.
But maybe I'm just naive and there really are this many misguided, ill-informed, bigoted, or racist voters.
Devolution
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If old shitty bigoted ass people are good at one thing, it's getting out to vote. That's why it's so crucial that young people get more invested in politics.
Its hard to not see that its misinformation, bigotry, and racism when all posts on "right." websites, are identical to posts on white supremacists websites.
All the speak of 'taking the country back.' blah blah, the only thing is that on conservative websites, they don't use pejorative terms. Only difference.
You're naive. Check out Fox New viewer numbers. Maybe 1% of that watch ironically.
teruterubozu
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If you look at the electoral map though, it's really about urban versus rural and not really about youth versus old people.
Devolution
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Maybe but a lot of urban centers have young people from all walks of life and diverse cultures, lifestyles, races, etc. It's much easier to be open and liberal leaning in such a place. Many of the people I know basically flock to these places even if they can't live comfortably.
teruterubozu
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The same with old people. More and more people are retiring in the city and not in rural areas. I live in the boons and see plenty of young rednecks. I'd like to think that the youth is more progressive and more culturally diverse, but as an old man, I thought that would happen decades ago. I remember when Bob Dole was called "the last stand of the old white man" - gosh, how naive we were.
TheContact
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Romneys patents bailed on America and moved to Mexico when Utah banned polygamy. Hmmmm, doesn't seem very American of them
Devolution
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If education in those areas wasn't shit they would be able to catch up better.
teruterubozu
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Yet many urban areas also have some of the worst public schools in the country.
Devolution
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Those people are still surrounded by individuals that are part of a minority if they're not a minority themselves. I'm saying shit education + lack of exposure makes for a shitty voting group.
mambadragon
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And Obama is a Muslim from Kenya.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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No. His grandparents escaped to Mexico when the US government tried to arrest them for something that should still be legal. Unfortunately, bigotry against polygamy still exists to this day.
teruterubozu
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A conservative advocating polygamy? Why I never...
Marriage is between a man and MANY women, I guess.
Riposte
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Romney has the looks too. He looks like Mr. Fantastic mixed with Wonder Bread. Putting aside some difficulties with his religion, he is basically THE MAN. Which will come in handy when a black guy is your opponent.
All I'm thinking to myself is how harshly Romney going to get thrown under the bus when this is over? It is going to be like the fucking Bourne Identity. Now that I've convinced myself he isn't going to win, I almost feel bad for him. That and I'm amazed at how much money a few billionaires are throwing down the drain. Don't they realize Obama is willing to play into their interests, either directly or through "compromises"?
Post of the day, right here.
There is no finer description of the man.
Seriously.
When you don't pay your workers enough money to afford the thing your company makes, things probably won't go well for you in the long term.
Mrs. Manky
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Charlie Crist looks pretty fired up there. (yeah I know it's from Mad Men)
There is a reason it is illegal. It tends to be a system abusive of women. Men collect them like they are toys and hoard them away to have constant babies and no say in who they marry. Usually married off against their will before they are even 18. Sounds like a fantastic life style. In theory polygamy is fine, in pracitice it has shown time and time again to be a system that quickly becomes abusive of women, especially under-age women.
TheContact
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I think marijuana should be legal but I'm not about to move to Mexico so I can smoke 24/7. And if I did I'd be a pretty shitty American for abandoning my country because I don't believe in its rules. I'm sure if the Obama administration was as shifty as Romney's, he'd make a big deal out of it.
And there's a lot of things wrong with polygamy, but subjectively it's hard for people to understand if that's how they were raised.
Angry Fork
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It's not quite like that. Imagine if Obama said 47% of the United States are sociopath social darwinists who wished they could deport all minorities, atheists, and gays from the country. It would be political suicide
but he'd be partially right, just lower the percentage a bit.
teruterubozu
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Romney had the looks until about 9 months ago. I've never seen someone age so badly during a campaign.
worst e3 ever.
Battersea Power Station
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What is a country if not the sum of its rules?
Thats interesting...
No one listens to youtube/alt news though until it goes mainstream sadly.
So.. this is basically annons work, y es?
They include the "Chinese slave labor" video which... isn't that at all. So yeah.
ElectricBlue187
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Sickboy007
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It was rediscovered on youtube by James Carter IV, grandson of Jimmy Carter. He contacted the uploader and got him in contact with Mother Jones.
At a fundraiser.
It wouldn't have mattered if it was taped or if someone just told everyone he said it. He was still an idiot for saying it at a fundraiser.
ElectricBlue187
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the people at his fundraiser (who are obviously giving him lots of money to be there) are not going to tell the press what he said, they want him to win...
Quite the contrast compared to the other guy though.
Campaign of Unity vs. Campaign of Divides
Right? Its weird that people are taking issue with him being recorded, when everything, everywhere is recorded. As if his honesty isn't subject to being recorded.
Sickboy007
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Nothing.
teruterubozu
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"Barbed wire, guard towers, 12 per room. Sounds good. I'll buy it!"
Right, because in China if you offer higher wages and better conditions than surrounding options... there is demand to work there! SHOCK! HORROR!
I think a lot of the other videos are damaging to him, but that one in particular is just ignorance not on Romney's part but on the uploader that thought it was inflammatory.
Sickboy007
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Who cares honestly?
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