The Technomancer
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Mother Jones: "Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters"
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Battersea Power Station
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I don't know how often it occurs. On a personal basis, however, I would never dream of taking away someone's vote. That's the whole basis of a democracy, that everyone has an equal say, whether you're unsuccessful, stupid, ugly, whatever. To deny that is to go against that very foundation, and seems like a step backward into the dark ages.
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Frank the Great
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really? i think the best part is that mitt romney is probably in that 47%
As a country, we get the government we deserve. If you don't want people to vote out of ignorance, the only choice is to advocate for a system that helps people rise out of ignorance.
BertramCooper
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I'm contemplating listening to Rush during my lunch break, just for the lulz.
ThoseDeafMutes
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How do you feel about denying voting rights to people under 18, or to criminals?
Teenagers have developing minds -- we agree as a society that minors, as a rule, can't be trusted to the extent that adults, as a rule, can, and science basically backs us up on that. I don't think there's any real justification for denying the vote to convicts.
ThoseDeafMutes
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The question was directed at him specifically because he seems to be totally opposed to the idea of not letting someone vote - although if he's an American, voting franchise is already far less than universal. I have no problems with not extending voting franchise to children, although I probably would let 17 year olds in on the action.
Battersea Power Station
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I'm ok with it. I don't begrudge the right to vote of any legally functioning adult. If you've shown that you're a felon (meaning you encroach on the right of others) you should not have that right.
As to what adult means, whether that should be 18 or 16 or 13 or whatever is up for discussion and based on our current society. I can't say I know what age it should be.
That example seemed more like an extreme though. Of course we could inhibit people who are ignorant or stupid from voting but then that's not equal representation. I'd like to think that America is based upon the belief that the entirety of the country is able to voice their opinion, and that's why the tea party is still here.
On topic though, Romney is just flaming and burning now. I hope the people who signed in the 'will Romney win' thread stick by their guns. Ha, this is a pretty sad implosion.
I think we can all agree we need some age limit on voting (like, you don't want a 3 years old to vote, right?) and 18 makes sense as much as any other number (though a snappy song and LSD in the drinking water may change my mind).
I wholeheartedly disagree with denying criminals the right to vote, felony disenfranchisement is a travesty and an affront to democracy and the founding principle of the United States - the consent of the governed.
We really need to re-write the 14th amendment.
ElectricBlue187
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And here we go. Dot gif.
wow dat turnaround time
The Technomancer
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And here we go. Dot gif.
Ahahaha, say what you will about Obama but he has one hell of a campaign team
Well there's two ways out of that quandry. Either come up with some way of filtering citizens by level of ignorance and only allowing the non ignorant ones to vote or work towards a society that emphasizes civics and media criticism in its schooling.
The first is impossible, the second isn't.
And here we go. Dot gif.
That is hilariously good.
JCreasy
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And here we go. Dot gif.
YESSS, they are on it!
Check this out. Truth Team pounces. First video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUQ-j2sOA7c&feature=player_embedded
There's so much material in here. They have a lot to talk about.
Lol amazing. Also, Fuck Mitt Romney. As a Brit looking in at US politics from across the pond, I find his antics and opinions rather disgusting.
I also find it rich that someone who inherited much of his wealth, and inherited rare opportunities along with it, has the audacity to pander on about entitlement.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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I only listen to Rush when there's a really bad story for Republicans, he is a master of spin. It's fascinating. Romney making headlines with this could be the turning point in the campaign, it's created an opportunity to talk about conservatism! lol
Dayum. I love election Obama.
The Technomancer
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Send troops to defend freedom and keep their hands the fuck out of my Medicare
ElectricBlue187
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This is right up Rush's alley. He's been saying this out loud on the radio for years
The Technomancer
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Its a great image but it needs circulation to have an impact.
TacticalFox88
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WOW. Bams just took a gigantic shit all over Romney.
...which would in turn be things that benefit *them*. So they also want the government to 'care for them'.
gutter_trash
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at least he didn't place the dotted line next to the Mason-Dixon line, LOL
Duane Cunningham
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Eh, 2k shares on FB, less than 40 minutes old.
Sir Garbageman
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Wow, Truth Team not messing around. those are both great.
ElectricBlue187
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It's actually on the NC/SC border which is very interesting subliminal message in itself (NC was a blue state in 08)
The Technomancer
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Rational (in before "rational lol") conservatives I know can't even defend the party's current "platform", they either just try to ignore it or they talk about how the party doesn't represent them.
distantmantra
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And here we go. Dot gif.
They totally fucked up the Olymic Peninsula on Washington state.
Dude Abides
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DAYUM!!
Tina Dupuy ‏@TinaDupuy
There's nothing funnier than a dude with secret service protection sneering [at] those dependent on the government.
This doesn't make much sense. Romney has to have SS protection as a major presidential candidate. It's not like he couldn't afford his own security.
This whole flap is kind of silly. Conservatives have considered half the country lazy parasites for decades now. I don't see what is shocking about this.
Deified Data
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So far as I've seen, the collective right-wing response to this has been to dredge up Obama's gaffes (namely "God & Guns") out of context and claim how he's equally dismissive of voters. Smart response would be to use this as a rallying cry or don't bring it up at all.
ElectricBlanketFire
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vas_a_morir
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also, tell it only to donors in a small room clandestinely, and not tell the rest of the country how it is.
I consider it to be significant because this is the first time we've seen the GOP's *actual* platform laid bare by the candidate himself in unflinching terms.
For those of us who pay attention, it isn't shocking--but for those voters who still think the GOP is reasonably moderate, this is absolutely damning evidence.
And Mitt can't explain it away by talking about "context" or whatever. We're talking about paragraph after paragraph of pure derision toward those who are less fortunate than him.
Indies and undecided moderates who see this might not vote for Obama, but they sure as hell won't vote for Mitt either.
Vicetrailia
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They forgot to include that they do not care about personal responsibility and they they do not care about their own lives.
"Ends justify the means by any and all means necessary so long as it's better".
There is no morals, it's just something that you'd like to attribute. It's just cause and affect.
Both.
LiberalGAF is loving every minute of this.
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