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Mother Jones: "Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters"
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BobTheFork
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Out of interest, who is Mitt's campaign manager? I suddenly want to know more about that person. Recently, it's felt like Republicans have taken on 'attack, attack, attack!' as a motto and it doesn't seems like the best idea
Baconsammy
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Out of interest, who is Mitt's campaign manager? I suddenly want to know more about that person. Recently, it's felt like Republicans have taken on 'attack, attack, attack!' as a motto and it doesn't seems like the best idea
Enjoy this. Try not to FAP to it. It's really that good.
Open Source
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It's always fun to watch the rabid, slavering, militantly anti-Romneyites falling all over themselves to declare the latest molehill to be Mt. Doom.
And then when I shut off the news and come read Off-Topic, it's reasonably entertaining as well.
And then when I shut off the news and come read Off-Topic, it's reasonably entertaining as well.
BobTheFork
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It's equally fun to watch Romney and his campaign dig a new hole every time they make a hastey effort to fill in the last hole.
Use the phrase "liberal media", you know you want to!
BobTheFork
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He wasn't very self-destructive, he just never really fit the part and wasn't what people wanted and nothing he did helped him. I think it was more awkward than damaging.
edit: BTW Bacon Sammy, you are correct. That article is gold.
polyh3dron
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I'd say worse than Mondale '84.
But even then Mondale's campaign wasn't anywhere near this bad.
FunkyMunkey
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Read the CNN link posted earlier: http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/18/pf/taxes/romney-income-taxes-millionaires/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Open Source
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Not paying income tax and getting government money are mostly two different things.
Plus there are many categories of getting government money - assistance programs, retirement programs, etc.
The quick and dirty measuring stick I would use for "how many people need government money that's not coming from employment/pensions/programs they paid into earlier" is SNAP - currently about 15% of the population.
Edit: actually, I was surprised to find that Medicaid enrollment is larger at 26.4%. So I will go with that.
Damn librul media amirite?
See, this is exactly what Romney's going for. There's a triple conflation going on here: not paying income tax with being on welfare with voting Dem. The whole thing is ridiculous.
First off, the 47% figure is vastly inflated. It requires not including payroll tax, which is a tax on your income and paid as a percent of that income. They're functionally the same; the only reason to separate income tax from payroll tax in this case is to score rhetorical points. The percentage of Americans who pay neither income nor payroll tax is more like 15%.
Second, these people aren't all on welfare and food stamps. 2/3 of that 15% are elderly folks on Social Security. The remaining 1/3 don't earn enough to owe taxes.
Finally, the Dem thing. Obviously, elderly voters vote disproportionately GOP, not Dem. Poor folks likely skew Dem, but it's by no means clear that the total population of non income/payroll tax payers skews either direction.
As a final note, the intent here is also to portray these people as benefitting from the vast Dem-driven welfare state. In fact, the number of nonpayers got big boosts from GOP-driven tax cuts and credits.
The entire thing is a steaming heap of disingenuous nonsense.
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What about government loans for school, or small businesses? Do you consider that government money?
MightyHealthy
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That's a pretty broken measuring stick:
What are some common misconceptions or myths associated with SNAP?
Stigma associated with the SNAP program has led to several common misconceptions about how the program works and who receives the benefits. For instance, many Americans believe that the majority of SNAP benefits go towards people who could be working. In fact, more than half of SNAP recipients are children or the elderly. For the remaining working-age individuals, many of them are currently employed. At least forty percent of all SNAP beneficiaries live in a household with earnings. At the same time, the majority of SNAP households do not receive cash welfare benefits (around 10% receive cash welfare), with increasing numbers of SNAP beneficiaries obtaining their primary source of income from employment.
Who Uses SNAP?
SNAP eligibility rules require that participants be at or below 130% of the Federal Poverty Level. Recent studies show that 49% of all SNAP participants are children (age 18 or younger), with almost two-thirds of SNAP children living in single-parent households. In total, 76% of SNAP benefits go towards households with children, 16% go to households with disabled persons, and 9% go to households with senior citizens.
According to demographic data, 43% of SNAP participants are white, 33% are African-American, 19% are Hispanic, 2% are Asian, and 2% are Native American.
Open Source
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Someone beat you to it, but you get extra points for mocking conservative rednecks. With all this talk of civility and racial healing and such going on the past four years, it's good to see someone stand up and put those uneducated, poor, dirty morons in their place. Go harvest my corn, you hicks! I mean, anyone who is party to destroying our country by not voting themselves money deserves to be racially stereotyped.
Open Source
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OK, so show me where in that mess of stats it shows that a) people on SNAP don't need it to get by and b) SNAP is a program that you pay into. Your bolding leads me to believe that you didn't get what I was saying.
Indeed many people on welfare are actually poor, white, red staters who blindly vote republican. The irony is delicious.
Open Source
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You don't need it to get by. So, no, I'm not considering it in "percentage of people who need government money just to get by"
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So the people that need government assistance just to barely get by? Technically, you can sort of get by as a homeless person living in a shelter or even on the street... lets set the bar there.
Lots of people would not be able to get by without small business loans. Or money for school. My life, for instance, would be quite a mess without the assistance I have received.
the bolded, by the way, was not in the initial post I quoted.
Slurpy2k20
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Open Source
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Romney makes Egypt "gaffe". Romney's poll standing slightly increases over the course of the week. I observe (in joking, paraphrased form) that everyone saying that the "gaffe" had cost Romney the election was wrong.
This makes me a moron.
Also, what?
Open Source
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I'm pretty sure conservatives get made fun of for blindly believing whatever their party tells them while dismissing everything else as "liberal bias," and not because they are thought of as poor, or white. Not sure where you got race or social status out of that.
As for the rest of your post, I'm not even sure what the hell you are saying.
Trent Strong
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Maybe I shouldn't have added that last line, because you now ignored the rest of my post. What constitutes, "just to get by?"
Open Source
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So "librul" is a typo, and not intentional mockery of white redneck conservatives? My mistake. Please accept my retraction of praise for your courage in belittling those idiots and their repulsive dialects.
It's the one the Republicans have been making.
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He said this of the media: "It's always fun to watch the rabid, slavering, militantly anti-Romneyites falling all over themselves to declare the latest molehill to be Mt. Doom."
Those arguments are just as cogent and well reasoned as that statement.
Trent Strong
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"Librul."
It was revealed yesterday that a grandson of former US president Jimmy Carter helped David Corn, the Washington bureau chief for Mother Jones, acquire the video recording of Mr Romney.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ters-as-bludgers/story-e6frg6so-1226476822866
Justice.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ters-as-bludgers/story-e6frg6so-1226476822866
Justice.
I really, really, passionately believe in food stamps. I'm currently on them right now, and if I didn't have them I wouldn't be able to eat. I graduated with my MBA in August, and I'm currently job searching. Haven't had much luck yet. I have one job that pays the rent, but outside of rent it basically can't pay for anything else. If it wasn't for food stamps, I'd starve. They are by FAR one of the best, most important social programs out there.
faceless007
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Poor spelling knows no race or geographic origin.
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Isn't that from Palin's 'the gotcha librul media elite!'
Arguments to what exactly? What are you talking about? I was not having an argument or a debate. I expressed an opinion towards someone's opinion on a public forum. Before you go all "intellectual badass" you first need to recognize whether there is even an argument going on.
So you can jump in and call the news media slavering, rabid anti-Romney dogs making a mountain out a molehill, but...
Baconsammy
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His poll numbers have shot way down. Stop reading, Drudge, genius.
Electoral Polling updated today:
Obama: 316 - Romney 191
That's a change of +80 for Obama in the past week. LOL.
Open Source
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Honestly, I'm not interested in an analysis or discussion of where the poverty line should be drawn, how far over it you have to be to be "getting by", etc.
The gist is, what percentage of Americans need government assistance to cover basics?
By the way, the number for any kind of government payout (excluding employment) is 49%. That includes social security, medicare, etc.
Open Source
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
All the way down from 44.9 to 45.5
MightyHealthy
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Right there with you.
I was on food stamps when they were on paper, and you were ashamed to ever admit it.
Grew up in a single parent household with my mother and older sis, and we would have been fucked without them.
Trent Strong
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Shouldn't we liberals be making better arguments than Republicans though? Should't we be above insulting poor, rural people?
The "liberal media bias" idea has been around since long before Palin. And some people just pronounce liberal as "librul" because that's the predominant accent in their region, and these regions are usually poor and rural. So if someone says "yeah, lets get them libruls, right Open Source?", they're 1) insulting poor rural people, and 2) ignoring the arguments that Open Source is making, and just trying to caricature him as some sort of uneducated redneck. It's a cheap and dirty tactic to use.
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Baconsammy
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Remind me again what method the USA uses to elect presidents. Oh right, THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE. In the weeks since Romney's disastrous convention, he's lost 80+ points to Obama. Gaffe after gaffe and the ineptitude of telling people you have plans but you just dont want to share them yet is killing him. And it's a blast to watch. It's way more fun watching republicans try to dance around the facts.
Ahh, the incredibly stupid CNN-esque practice of treating both parties the same when one is clearly more awful than the other. Sorry, but I'm not inclined to treat a bunch of racist, anti-gay morons the same as I do poor people that aren't racist and homophobic.
F you both guys, millionaires need their tax breaks. 13% is too high for Romney, it should be 1%.
No group of people is more intolerant of those who don't agree with them than those who shout from on high about tolerance.
It's never been a mockery of their race or social class (especially since other poor, white, but better informed people use it too); it is a mockery of their stupidity and willingness to vote against their best interests. You talk about making molehills into mountains then you pull this "you are racist" shit? lol you're a big joke.
They are not insulted because of their accent or because they are poor. Rather, they tend to be ignorant, and so their accent has become a symbol of their ignorance. GAF is full of poor, broke-ass white males too ffs. They don't get made fun off for being poor and white. Open Source is not making any arguments. He did not provide reasons/sources as to why he thinks this isn't a giant mistake on Romney's part and why we are blowing it out of proportion. On the other hand, plenty of commentators who certainly know more about politics than he and I do think this was a colossal fuck up. So yeah, wtf are you talking about?
Neuromancer
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This is... Amazing
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