Is GAF too strict?

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Soneet said:
I personally don't like how I can't ignore posts from mods :P

I can understand not being able to ignore administrators and owners and chiefs, but most of the time regular moderators don't post 'in duty'. They get that advantage of "I can be really annoying and irrational and never stop posting about it and you can't ignore me". That's kind of a shame, especially when they take a stance that's bother line unacceptable moral wise.
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If you feel a moderator is posting in an aggressive or unproductive manner, please PM another moderator to point it out. Even if you're talking about something that's not against the rules, but just... not good posting. Moderators should be setting a good example.
 
Cyan said:
This is sort of a weird thing to say. Do you mean that their style of modding seems wrong to you? Or do you literally mean that you think that they, personally, are an immoral human being? Because really, if it doesn't affect their modding, who cares?
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I'm saying that I personally think I witnessed a mod took a stance, that if he/she wasn't a mod, it was not a stance that would've been accepted. Not even talking about mod level of acceptance, even regular members didn't approve it.

If GAF is too strict on members, then I think, sometimes, they can be too lenient on mods. And to me personally, without that red name, that person is nothing to me. There's no personal vendetta from either side, it's just that I really dislike moralities that suck. And that's why I like GAF, cause the morality is high, tolerance is generally low. Heck, even I got hit by the banhammer twice, and one warning, even though I try my best to generally be a good contributor: sometimes you slip. I agreed on the bans.


Stumpokapow said:
If you feel a moderator is posting in an aggressive or unproductive manner, please PM another moderator to point it out. Even if you're talking about something that's not against the rules, but just... not good posting. Moderators should be setting a good example.
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The case is a bit old and I have no personal vendetta, so yeah, I'm not planning to bring it up now. I also think I saw another red name pop up in the same thread and since he/she didn't take action, I guess it was acceptable on GAF. But really, I was really close to start PM'ing, but once I saw another red name and nothing happened, I gave up on that thought.

Edit: Actually, thanks Stumpokapow for the advice. I think next time if I see something completely awkward (something you totally don't expect from a mod), then I'll just pm and ask for a 2nd opinion from another mod if that's supposed to be normal.


Sorry for trying to be vague (on purpose), it makes it kinda annoying for people who read my text as if I'm teasing a story. That wasn't my point and I don't feel like indirectly attacking someone for something in the past, so I'm keeping it vague.
 
Phoenician_Viking said:
That´s a huge problem then. Why would you not blame them? Sure, mods can dislike some posters here but that should not mean that they let their dislike of certain posters dictate their actions. The great thing here is that mods don´t ban people who have opposing views from them, or people who are not serious posters.
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I know that for you this issue of objectivity and fairness is a long-standing concern, but you worry overmuch because in practice it simply is not an issue.

It is of course true that moderators have users that we like, dislike, or have mixed feelings about, but ban decisions are not made on the basis of whether a moderator likes or dislikes a particular user. I have not banned users who I dislike when I have had a fence-sitter, and I have had to ban ban users I do like even though I really would rather have not done so, but they deserved it.

Ban decisions might have different factors that effect length or whether a ban occurs at all, but "I dislike [Hypothetical Poster]" is not one of those reasons. "[Hypothetical Poster] repeatedly breaks the rules and has been banned 7 times and he's been banned for two and a half months in the last six months for the same offenses so this time it's going to be extra long" could be a reason for a particularly long ban, and a moderator might also happen to dislike said hypothetical poster for those reasons - but it is those reasons that the ban is longer, and not for the mere fact of being disliked.
 
So yeah... I just got made a junior member for starting this thread

Your top 3 favorite games this gen
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=492744&page=4

Apparently... it's against the rules to make list threads like this without adding detail

Why are you guys enforcing rules that are not even listed on the forum where they cannot be visibly seen? I did not even know this was a rule. Not even a warning?

Why have I had the book thrown at me when others make these types of threads all the time.

How am I supposed to know that this is a rule when you allow others to get away with it?

Can I contest this?

Last month I was given a 1 month ban for posting a scan when there are literally thousands of scans posted in the manga threads. Again, I assumed it was okay because of this.
 
It should be obvious why list threads would be frowned upon by the mods. Regardless, a while back voting threads were banned specifically because they end up being list threads with very little discussion. Exactly like how the thread you linked reads.
 
Lancehead255 said:
It should be obvious why list threads would be frowned upon by the mods. Regardless, a while back voting threads were banned specifically because they end up being list threads with very little discussion. Exactly like how the thread you linked reads.
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I don't think anything should be obvious unless it clearly listed as a rule plainly in my sight of view on the forum.

I would not have started the thread if I thought I would have got modded and it was against the rules. It makes no sense.

Threads like this are started all the time without punishment.

I mean not even a warning? Really?
 
pramath said:
So yeah... I just got made a junior member for starting this thread

Your top 3 favorite games this gen
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=492744&page=4

Apparently... it's against the rules to make list threads like this without adding detail

Why are you guys enforcing rules that are not even listed on the forum where they cannot be visibly seen? I did not even know this was a rule. Not even a warning?

Why have I had the book thrown at me when others make these types of threads all the time.

How am I supposed to know that this is a rule when you allow others to get away with it?

Can I contest this?

Last month I was given a 1 month ban for posting a scan when there are literally thousands of scans posted in the manga threads. Again, I assumed it was okay because of this.
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Don't make garbage threads
If you are posting a discussion topic, think about whether the subject has merit. Topics which exist only to ask a yes/no question with no room for actual discussion, or topics which exist only encourage subsequent replies consisting of lists or rankings are generally discouraged. Note that this category also includes unsanctioned "Vote for your favourite" threads
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=428781
 
Copernicus said:
What does that reason even mean?
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Honestly the ban messages need to be standardized and removed of pithy last word jabs that moderators throw in them. "Banned for X reason in violation of TOS. (Duration of Ban)"

Or if the moderator wants to put a personal flourish on it, then they should be obligated to disclose their identity in the ban message.

Some are also comically cryptic, "You should know better" was one I received in a cosplay thread. Who knew there was an unwritten pro-cosplay moderator segment? Sorry if I'm not a fan of baby-steps exhibitionism. Especially in a society where we'll prop up bobble headed bimbos with nothing to say, just because they look good dressed as your favorite video game character, do the sexual equivalent of the shuck'n jive, or just get naked for attention.

See also, Jenny McCarthy. Granted she's since been laughed down from her platform, but that we (as a culture) even entertained listening to the scientific advice of a Playboy playmate and co-host of Singled Out is absurd.

In the interest of fairness I'd give shit to vapid male bimbros as well. See also Channing Tatum. With any luck he'll just keep trying to act and not open his mouth on matters of science. :X

I like boobies as much as the next sucker, but I can tell when said boobies are being paid for to endorse a product.
 
pramath said:
So why is this not in the TOS?

Am I expected to perform forum searches to find out all the hidden rules?

Why do other people get away with these threads all the time?

Why no warning?
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It's in the FAQ section. I was just pointing out that it is out there and not some arbitrary decision. Beyond that, you'll need to look for answers from someone with a name in red.
 
The Take Out Bandit said:
Honestly the ban messages need to be standardized and removed of pithy last word jabs that moderators throw in them. "Banned for X reason in violation of TOS. (Duration of Ban)"

Or if the moderator wants to put a personal flourish on it, then they should be obligated to disclose their identity in the ban message.

Some are also comically cryptic, "You should know better" was one I received in a cosplay thread. Who knew there was an unwritten pro-cosplay moderator segment? Sorry if I'm not a fan of baby-steps exhibitionism. Especially in a society where we'll prop up bobble headed bimbos with nothing to say, just because they look good dressed as your favorite video game character, do the sexual equivalent of the shuck'n jive, or just get naked for attention.

See also, Jenny McCarthy. Granted she's since been laughed down from her platform, but that we (as a culture) even entertained listening to the scientific advice of a Playboy playmate and co-host of Singled Out is absurd.

In the interest of fairness I'd give shit to vapid male bimbros as well. See also Channing Tatum. With any luck he'll just keep trying to act and not open his mouth on matters of science. :X

I like boobies as much as the next sucker, but I can tell when said boobies are being paid for to endorse a product.
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At least this isn't a pet issue for you....
 
Soneet said:
I personally don't like how I can't ignore posts from mods :P

I can understand not being able to ignore administrators and owners and chiefs, but most of the time regular moderators don't post 'in duty'. They get that advantage of "I can be really annoying and irrational and never stop posting about it and you can't ignore me". That's kind of a shame, especially when they take a stance that's bother line unacceptable moral wise.
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I share your feelings.

There is one (maybe two) mods who's opinions/posting styles/whatever rub me the wrong way. There's nothing wrong with having those, but I'd rather not see them if I could help it. I mean, that's what I use my ignore list for anyways: annoying poster = ignore. I wish the same could apply to the red names. Why shouldn't I be able to hide those posts? The only reasons I could think of is if they somehow warn me for something in-thread, and that I'd miss it if I put them on the ignore list, but I see public warnings so rarely (actually, I don't think I've ever seen a public, in-thread warning) that I think that would really be a non-issue.


The Take Out Bandit said:
Honestly the ban messages need to be standardized and removed of pithy last word jabs that moderators throw in them. "Banned for X reason in violation of TOS. (Duration of Ban)"

Or if the moderator wants to put a personal flourish on it, then they should be obligated to disclose their identity in the ban message.

Some are also comically cryptic, "You should know better" was one I received in a cosplay thread. Who knew there was an unwritten pro-cosplay moderator segment? Sorry if I'm not a fan of baby-steps exhibitionism. Especially in a society where we'll prop up bobble headed bimbos with nothing to say, just because they look good dressed as your favorite video game character, do the sexual equivalent of the shuck'n jive, or just get naked for attention.

See also, Jenny McCarthy. Granted she's since been laughed down from her platform, but that we (as a culture) even entertained listening to the scientific advice of a Playboy playmate and co-host of Singled Out is absurd.

In the interest of fairness I'd give shit to vapid male bimbros as well. See also Channing Tatum. With any luck he'll just keep trying to act and not open his mouth on matters of science. :X

I like boobies as much as the next sucker, but I can tell when said boobies are being paid for to endorse a product.
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I agree with most of this, especially the bolded.
 
pramath said:
It's funny that I have never even seen a Faq section.

Anytime I go on a forum, I try to find the TOS and take it from there. They should really have all the rules in one easy to see place.
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So I can never start topics again because I made one asking what your Top 3 favorite games of the gen are?

Wow... well fuck that.
 
pramath said:
So I can never start topics again because I made one asking what your Top 3 favorite games of the gen are?

Wow... well fuck that.
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Calm down. Wait for a mod. How often do you need to create threads anyway?

Also I can't find port-begging in the ToS. Am I missing something? If it isn't there it should be added as I think it's ludicrous to assume people are going to pick up unwritten rules.
 
pramath said:
So I can never start topics again because I made one asking what your Top 3 favorite games of the gen are?

Wow... well fuck that.
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You ought to read that link a few posts back, it has some helpful advice from a mod about ... well, exactly what you're doing right now.
 
pramath said:
Yeah I just actually noticed it. Everytime I hit that page it's straight to gaming discussion.

It should all be in the TOS though. I stand by that.
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I'm not sure it would make a difference either way. How would you have read it in the TOS without first going to the FAQ section?
 
Arksy said:
Calm down. Wait for a mod. How often do you need to create threads anyway?

Also I can't find port-begging in the ToS. Am I missing something? If it isn't there it should be added as I think it's ludacris to assume people are going to pick up unwritten rules.
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I think that you're "supposed" to learn them during your waiting period, but they are pretty hard to know.

Is photobucket still banned? Where is/was that rule?
 
Sye d'Burns said:
I'm not sure it would make a difference either way. How would you have read it in the TOS without first going to the FAQ section?
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There's a TAB for Terms of Service right at the top of the screen. I read that and thought I was good to go.

Now I am a permanent junior because I wanted to start a thread asking what peoples favorite games of the gen are?

Sheesh. That's pretty tight.
 
Arksy said:
Also I can't find port-begging in the ToS. Am I missing something? If it isn't there it should be added as I think it's ludacris to assume people are going to pick up unwritten rules.
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Agreed.

Also, "ludicrous".

That's the most hilarious thing I've seen since kids learned to spell caliber/calibre from the Soul series. :X
 
FelixOrion said:
Is photobucket still banned? Where is/was that rule?
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Photobucket's never been banned, to my knowledge. Back when we used outside hosting for avatars, you could get banned if you went over bandwidth and your avatar was a broken image, which was mostly a problem with Imageshack, if I recall correctly.
 
pramath said:
It's funny that I have never even seen a Faq section.

Anytime I go on a forum, I try to find the TOS and take it from there. They should really have all the rules in one easy to see place.
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They should link the FAQ section in the TOS, it would make things much more clear.
Luckily i had find out about the FAQ section during my lurking days.
 
The Take Out Bandit said:
Agreed.

Also, "ludicrous".

That's the most hilarious thing I've seen since kids learned to spell caliber/calibre from the Soul series. :X
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Cyan said:
Right? I hate to see that kind of hideos spelling.
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I must admit I'm pretty embarrassed, especially given how pedantic I am with spelling. I blame the fact that it's 5am and I'm delirious.

Edit: Port begging should definitely be added to the ToS.

Edit 2: Also not-so-stealth spelling edit. It's going to itch at my mind for hours.
 
C'mon pramath.. I've been on gaming side like 3x in the last 5 months and I still remember all the shitty threads you used to make before that. You were also a very active member on gaming side so I find it hard to believe you didn't see the giant list threads, the warnings against pointless list threads, the eventual ban of them, or the faq section that's staring you in the face every time. Not to mention the post you linked to is you literally typing 3 game names and then later telling everyone you don't want to do more than that. No one is out to get you.. I'm sure it's a result of reviewing your record over the previous year. I'm actually shocked you've only been a member a year.. I've made 1 thread in 4.. you've made 3 pages worth in one. o.O
 
pramath said:
There's a TAB for Terms of Service right at the top of the screen. I read that and thought I was good to go.

Now I am a permanent junior because I wanted to start a thread asking what peoples favorite games of the gen are?

Sheesh. That's pretty tight.
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Well the posts above you link to Stumpokapow's earlier explanation, he says that you can get unjuniored again after a while, just behave nice and stop asking for it.
 
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