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@Homophobes is a better representation of homophobia on Twitter. The things they retweet are incredibly offensive. People talking about killing or kicking out their kids if they were gay, etc.
I realize NoHomophobes is targeting "casual homophobia" but I think it's a little ridiculous.
Yeah, whenever I hear "faggot" I immediately negatively judge the person using the word. Mega64 still uses the word sometimes and I watch their podcast, and I still cringe when they use it. They've explained how they don't use it as a slur against gay people or whatever, but it's such an ugly word, IMO.
I realize NoHomophobes is targeting "casual homophobia" but I think it's a little ridiculous.
Yeah, whenever I hear "faggot" I immediately negatively judge the person using the word. Mega64 still uses the word sometimes and I watch their podcast, and I still cringe when they use it. They've explained how they don't use it as a slur against gay people or whatever, but it's such an ugly word, IMO.
TheGreatDivide
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Sure, but I don't automatically assume someone using gay to mean something completely unrelated to homosexuality is necessarily homophobic. Words develop alternative meanings and people's intentions are not black and white.
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kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Why?
It's not that the people using those words are necessarily homophobic, it's that they are using language that is inherently and historically homophobic.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Well you can say whatever you like to yourself, or no-one.
I dunno, I went through school with the most annoying kids abusing that word (and generally being really homophobic) every other sentence, and I just feel like the worst person when I bust that word out- even if it were in a context like yours.Yeah, you're right, it's not homophobic. The site is dumb for that reason. But using "gay" as "bad" is still dumb too. I guess I just feel that you could use any other word? Crap's a good word! People always use crap! Have done for years! No need to stop now.
CF_Fighter
Member
I just shake my head whenever people still use "no homo", just the whole notion of someone having to use it in regular conversation is so ridiculous. I just find it really immature and luckily people I've seen use it age out of it eventually.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Because many of the tweets that show up on their homepage / get counted aren't homophobic, IMO.
kind of implies that you have to apologize for something homosexual, which you should just be fine with. Or that you're making a joke out of it, which is kinda immature.
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Alligatorjandro
Banned
One tweet said "gay people arent human".
Not sure, I'd love to find out when gay turned into that meaning.
XANDER CAGE
Member
It takes a pretty specific context and most likely an impeccable sense of irony to disguise calling people "faggot" as not homophobic. Not everybody is as clever as, I dunno, Louis CK.
Well you can say whatever you like to yourself, or no-one.
Yeah, you're right, it's not homophobic. The site is dumb for that reason. But using "gay" as "bad" is still dumb too. I guess I just feel that you could use any other word? Crap's a good word! People always use crap! Have done for years! No need to stop now.
It was the most common word for 'stupid' in my school. Even the legitimately gay crowd themselves used it that way. When you hear it for 6 years straight, I can be sympathetic to someone who uses it that way.
The F word word however, should be off limits, regardless of intent. I get only negative emotions from that one. Its use instantly kills the funny for me.
...and 80% of the tweets were probably ironic. another 10% probably under 20 years old.
I will say though, when I hear a person call something "retarded" or "Gay" IRL, there is no quicker clue to me that this person is probably sort of shitty and dumb. There are some dudes out there who have not gotten some decent gigs from me simply because of that shit.
So even if you think it's "too PC" or whatever, maybe just consider that times have changed and you don't wanna be at a disadvantage. It's not like you are gaining anything by using it.
I will say though, when I hear a person call something "retarded" or "Gay" IRL, there is no quicker clue to me that this person is probably sort of shitty and dumb. There are some dudes out there who have not gotten some decent gigs from me simply because of that shit.
So even if you think it's "too PC" or whatever, maybe just consider that times have changed and you don't wanna be at a disadvantage. It's not like you are gaining anything by using it.
XANDER CAGE
Member
I thought "suck eggs" came way before that?
Hot Coldman
Banned
It was for me too, but I moved on from using it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to call people out for using "gay" like that, but I won't exactly be impressed...
As for "fag", I've literally walked out of conversations because people drop that bomb. Fuck that garbage.
I think it's obvious to everyone it comes from "sucks dick" whether it's homophobic, related to disco or whatever. The difference is context. Fe people find "sucks" offensive, therefore it is not.
Moral Panic
Member
I don't know how the word "Lame" aka to not be able to walk became to mean "unsatisfactory" either.
IMHO Words only matter according to the people you are talking with. If you are talking to a another person who doesn't mind you using the N word then why shouldn't you use it? Same with every other word.
Mad Decent
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Death Prophet
"Faggot" I understand, although I think it's possible that a non-homophobic tweet would be counted.
"No homo" I just don't really understand. All of the words can be taken out of context and added to their counter. @Homophobes hand picks their tweets.
I mean, I'm all for squashing homophobia but I don't like the implementation of an automatic counter.
XANDER CAGE
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Seeya.
Mad Decent
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gaybob
Deified Data
Banned
Well you can say whatever you like to yourself, or no-one.
I agree - it's undeniably dumb.
XANDER CAGE
Member
I get what you mean, but the site itself even acknowledges that homophobic words aren't used in homophobic context 100% of the time. It's simply a counter that points out how many people don't think twice about saying "faggot", "so gay", etc.
Sometimes unintentionally offensive things can still hurt folks.
spindashing
Banned
I used to say, "No hetero" awhile ago and it was an inside joke amongst my friends.
"Dude, you look beautiful. No hetero."
"Sheeeiiiit."
"Dude, you look beautiful. No hetero."
"Sheeeiiiit."
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The Everyman
Its used ironically as if to imply that you are in fact having homosexual thoughts
XANDER CAGE
Member
As in unknowing homophobia. You've never heard of casual racism, casual sexism, or casual-anything-dumb before?
XANDER CAGE
Member
Its kind of strange how the meaning of words change. Gay men adopted gay as their description word in the 50s or so because it was less robotic and clinical than Homosexual. Prior to that Gay was used to describe prostitutes and the men who slept with them and even further back it meant happy etc.
Nope.
BrLvgThrChmstry
Banned
From my understanding... after reading this thread, it is someone who uses said terms in a casual, often jokingly manner without considering the gravity of said terms. I guess that implies they resent gay/lesbian culture and therefore are 'sort of' homophobic but only a little.
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kittens
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From Wikipedia: Homophobia is a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT).
It doesn't mean being scared of homosexuals.
I think that's being pretty generous. Most people I've heard use it have had what I would describe as a loose grasp on irony at the very best.
Why would you do that?
Member
I'm pretty sure you could count being scared as a negative feeling. Besides, if you have a phobia of something, aren't you usually scared of that something?
Yes I know, but you either have negative attitudes or you don't. You don't sometimes have them.
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kittens
Unconfirmed Member
It if it were that simple, any random word would work. No Donuts. No Spatula. No YouGetThePoint.
It's a term that's based in homophobia.
Sure, but "being scared of gays" doesn't capture the larger meaning of the term.
Again: this isn't necessarily about people being a homophobe. Just like when people make racist jokes, it doesn't mean that they are a racist. It means that their words/actions in that case are racist. I've already made this point in this thread.
ChubbyHuggs
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So what you're telling me is, that homosexuals stole that word... I'm taking it back!
hahah! You know, this is some off the chain mac-n-cheese. I'm not black or nothin, but really I think I know good cheddar when I taste it.
Mr. Enigma
Member
There are still a ton of people in the world who call things gay and call people faggots, yet have absolutely no anti-gay feelings. Not defending them because it is ignorant on some level. I recently blew someone up for constantly calling stuff gay, and then said, "Whoa, sorry. I really have nothing against gay people. I've just been saying it since I was in middle school."
It's an odd thing. Like someone said earlier, it's just part of the vernacular. It's like an old generation where the word "nigger" was acceptable even if you had no anti-black feelings. My grandparents had friends that casually used the word "nigger" but were not racists at all.
Hopefully after the next two generations of people, the word "faggot" and calling things gay can finally start to be fazed out.
It's an odd thing. Like someone said earlier, it's just part of the vernacular. It's like an old generation where the word "nigger" was acceptable even if you had no anti-black feelings. My grandparents had friends that casually used the word "nigger" but were not racists at all.
Hopefully after the next two generations of people, the word "faggot" and calling things gay can finally start to be fazed out.
I don't know if that example is a good fit. When I was in middle school, if someone didn't say "No Homo" everyone would immediately take the opportunity to jump on them.
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