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[Satch]

Frustrated, I could understand, but incensed is just a small step below rage. IMO Everyone is entitled to their opinion/viewpoint no matter how abhorrent anyone else may find it. I never let it affect me unless it's someone whose opinion I value or they are in a position to form public policy.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Nobody will disagree with you on that. That entitlement to one's own opinion is why people give opinions on other people's opinions.

I'm not exactly sure why that point gets brought out of the barn so often... Actually, I do know why, but whatever.

Regardless, people's opinions are... typically how they vote on policy. So I see no harm in challenging people's views.

 

[Devolution]

Hive mind isn't true. When I first started posting here the victim blaming response was the norm and not bannable in some instances. Like the college slut comment from the security guard thread.

 

[dejay]

Actually I have only said hive mind once in this thread and it was possibly the only time I used it in my time on Neogaf.

Can you honestly tell me you never witnessed a bunch of people reply with variations of the exact same thing to a post? And I'm not just talking about reaction gifs either.

As an aside, I think the term "hive mind" is ironic, seeing how often it is used.

I've seen it used in both sides of an argument - the Apple/Android thing comes to mind. Some will swear that GAF is overwhelmingly anti-Apple and some will swear that GAF is overwhelmingly pro-Apple. Using the term hive mind isn't going to add to your argument as it's meaningless (not directed at you Sviatoslav). A group of people agreeing with each other isn't a hive mind - it's a subset of the whole agreeing with each other.

 

[DrForester]

Maybe Blasty wasn't a perm. He did seem like a good Junior.

What proportion of Republicans do you guys think would get banned on NeoGAF? I certainly don't think the percentage would be in the single digits.

Well, We lost the last guy, and there's Manos....

%50.

 

[WanderingWind]

Frustrated, I could understand, but incensed is just a small step below rage. IMO Everyone is entitled to their opinion/viewpoint no matter how abhorrent anyone else may find it. I never let it affect me unless it's someone whose opinion I value or they are in a position to form public policy.

If I was a perfect Buddhist soul, I would be closer to this ideal. I'm not, and yeah, I've occasionally gotten upset over internet debates. It's not good, but if you're actually discussing things that matter to you, emotion will come to play.

But, I never forget, it's the internet and the other person may be trolling, just be an idiot, may have a different set of cultural values that are unchangeable with words from WanderingWind from NeoGAF and yeah, occasionally, you can end up being mistaken or wrong. That tempers any sort of upset feelings quite nicely.

 

[Enron]

Well, We lost the last guy, and there's Manos....

%50.

Manos isn't a Republican.

 

[Emerson]

Hive mind isn't true. When I first started posting here the victim blaming response was the norm and not bannable.

It's a joke at this point, but have you never been in a tipping thread? There is a GAF hivemind about some issues. To me it refers less to the plurality of people supporting it and more to the absolute fervor with which many people argue it.

 

[noah111]

Blasty!?

Poor kid. Damn.

To be fair, his post was pretty dumb; http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=42643665&postcount=617

"If I were to walk around in a pretty dangerous place, money hanging from my jacket, and end up getting robbed, a lot of people would laugh at my stupidity."

Dat false equivalence.

 

[Izick]

Manos isn't a Republican.

Libertarian?

To be fair, his post was pretty dumb; http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=42643665&postcount=617

"If I were to walk around in a pretty dangerous place, money hanging from my jacket, and end up getting robbed, a lot of people would laugh at my stupidity."

Dat false equivalence.

It's dumb, but it's his opinion. I hope he isn't perma'd for that.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

It's a joke at this point, but have you never been in a tipping thread? There is a GAF hivemind about some issues. To me it refers less to the plurality of people supporting it and more to the absolute fervor with which many people argue it.

Yeah, I know what you mean. Sometimes it's split down the middle, but the fervor is just insane. Heaven forbid I never even THOUGHT about wiping while sitting down.

 

[SteveWinwood]

I attribute my 0 bans to none of the mods knowing who I am or noticing my posts.

 

[surrogate]

Why would you value the opinion of a stranger enough to participate in a discussion forum at all?

I agree that the whole XKCD "lol I can't go to bed someone's wrong on the internet" points out the futility of trying to argue with a mule online, but I think it's pretty clear why people do that, especially on communities like GAF versus say the news site's comment section. I think message boards have a magnetic ability to make you feel like you know people.

It could be several reasons. I may find the topic interesting or I could just be bored and looking for a good laugh. I just don't see the value of getting all bent out of shape or offended by viewpoints I disagree with.

 

[Devolution]

It's a joke at this point, but have you never been in a tipping thread? There is a GAF hivemind about some issues. To me it refers less to the plurality of people supporting it and more to the absolute fervor with which many people argue it.

Those are the threads where it just gets bogged down so fast my head is spinning and I just close the tab.

 

[Razek]

Edit: Eh, I don't really want to talk about those in the grave.

 

[Riposte]

I attribute my 0 bans to none of the mods knowing who I am or noticing my posts.

...I was naive like you once.

 

[B-Dubs]

Poor guy. Hope most of us even make it out alive at this point.

That's 40 people now. :c

Mother of god, he really did just take a break...

 

[jaxword]

On the internet? I don't visit reddit or 4chan precisely for this reason.

Yeah, there's a certain "air" to the sector of the internet that has things like reddit/sa/4chan. A sort of omnipresent sense of meanness just waiting for a chance to pounce. This is both users and mods.

There's a smaller degree of that on neogaf, but generally speaking the people are nicer.

 

[Stet]

I attribute my 0 bans to none of the mods knowing who I am or noticing my posts.

I've been banned a couple of times and I'm pretty sure they were warranted.

 

[Tomat]

I attribute my 0 bans to none of the mods knowing who I am or noticing my posts.

Well, through and through, you are a very forgettable poster. Even with the Bruno avatar (which you should totally go back to).

Spoiler

 

[Zeliard]

Haha, was wondering why this thread blew up.

 

[Dead Man]

You call obama a fucking idiot?

On that topic, and some others? Absolutely.

I'm not going to call anyone out, but it's happened. And would you really call someone a fucking idiot to their face if they just bring up politics in real life? Several people I work with bring up politics all the time, and if I called them fucking idiots to their faces I would get fired. One of the guys who brings up politics all the time at work is about 6'6" and 280, so if I called him a fucking idiot he'd beat the fuck out of me.

If you are not going to call anyone out, why raise it? What purpose does it serve? And not just anyone, people who are aggressively stupid get called out. You need to get harder if you are afraid of a co worker beating you. Or get a new fucking job.

So, an "I like this Mitt Romney fellow" is enough to get the profanities flowing?

You must be a real pleasant fellow, yikes.


Thankfully, in real life most people don't usually act like they would on the internet. Usually.

Yep, those fucking profanities, they mean a lot I think I'm pretty pleasant. I also think if someone is just misinformed I will provide information, but if someone is actively pursuing or supporting policies that hurt me and mine, I will let them know.

 

[surrogate]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Nobody will disagree with you on that. That entitlement to one's own opinion is why people give opinions on other people's opinions.

I'm not exactly sure why that point gets brought out of the barn so often... Actually, I do know why, but whatever.

Regardless, people's opinions are... typically how they vote on policy. So I see no harm in challenging people's views.

Challenging someone's view in a civil discussion and getting incensed are two different things. I'm not saying anyone isn't entitled to get incensed or rage, just that I don't understand it.

 

[Mumei]

The problem is that on here people are rarely given the benefit of the doubt. It seems like on many occasions people start piling on without even letting the poster clarify what they meant. It might just be my opinion, but it seems like there is a tendency to think the worst of people.

I agree that this happens, and it is unfortunate when it happens to someone who is not engaging in bad faith. I think that rather than attempting to either cheer on a ban or angrily shame that poster it would be much more productive if people would attempt to engage that poster in a polite, conversational manner. I know how hard this is, particularly when it is someone you've argued with thirty-seven times and they are acting like an ass themselves, but even so.

I think that simply making a good faith effort to demonstrate why they are wrong is the best thing to do. If they aren't arguing in good faith, engagement will demonstrate that. Or if there was a misunderstanding, that is more likely to be communicated properly when people don't feel threatened. And if they have something to learn, it is more likely when they aren't defensive.

At least, this is how I try to approach things.

 

[Sviatoslav]

Regarding the whole "hive mind" thing. Since neogaf is a special interest forum(video games) it shouldn't be surprising that people and their opinions here would generally be more homogeneous than the general population. Can't deny that in general Neogaf has a liberal slant.

 

[A.E Suggs]

To be fair, his post was pretty dumb; http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=42643665&postcount=617

"If I were to walk around in a pretty dangerous place, money hanging from my jacket, and end up getting robbed, a lot of people would laugh at my stupidity."

Dat false equivalence.

Lol he must live where I grew up because its a pretty good chance that'll still happen since not only are the police force near useless, people get to stand on corners and shit all day. Heck its the main reason why I moved.

 

[noah111]

It's dumb, but it's his opinion. I hope he isn't perma'd for that.

A sexist opinion, sure. If he had a similar opinion about a matter of race, would you still say 'it's just his opinion'? Either way, it can be taken as offense by a specific group of people (which they expressed in the thread).

 

[Sianos]

I'm probably a more... docile person on GAF than I am in real life. :U

 

[Satch]

Regarding the whole "hive mind" thing. Since neogaf is a special interest forum(video games) it shouldn't be surprising that people and their opinions here would generally be more homogeneous than the general population.

Have you actually ever been to Gaming side? It's a mess.

 

[pigeon]

Libertarian?

I think Stump was basically right -- Manos was one of the rural Democrats that the Democrats lose every so often. Strongly anti-gun control, pro-interventionism, but otherwise pretty much in line with the rest of us. That's one reason I'll miss him, even though I won't argue his ban wasn't necessarily warranted -- I honestly learned a lot from talking to him, because he represents a demographic that I don't exactly run into very often in the Bay Area.

 

[dejay]

I attribute my 0 bans to none of the mods knowing who I am or noticing my posts.

After your first ban, the rest seem to come easier. Then you're on their bandar.

 

[The_Hitcher89]

Being banned for making a harmless joke must suck more than any other thing you can get banned for

 

[Devolution]

I think Stump was basically right -- Manos was one of the rural Democrats that the Democrats lose every so often. Strongly anti-gun control, pro-interventionism, but otherwise pretty much in line with the rest of us. That's one reason I'll miss him, even though I won't argue his ban wasn't necessarily warranted -- I honestly learned a lot from talking to him, because he represents a demographic that I don't exactly run into very often in the Bay Area.

And sometimes he'd just devil's advocate on certain issues for the fun of it.

 

[TheGreatDivide]

Regarding the whole "hive mind" thing. Since neogaf is a special interest forum(video games) it shouldn't be surprising that people and their opinions here would generally be more homogeneous than the general population. Can't deny that in general Neogaf has a liberal slant.

Please join my new website www.conservativegamers.com when it launches upon Romney's inauguration.

 

[Seance]

Have you actually ever been to Gaming side? It's a mess.

There are plenty of overwhelming consensus' on Gaming GAF.

 

[Izick]

A sexist opinion, sure. If he had a similar opinion about a matter of race, would you still say 'it's just his opinion'? Either way, it can be taken as offense by a specific group of people (which they expressed in the thread).

I don't think banning him is the solution to that though. If he's sexist or racist, then there's nothing you can do about it except express your point of view and perhaps help him understand why you think that's wrong. It's not like he was being an asshole about it either. If he started hurling sexist or racist slurs then that's one thing, but to ban the dude forever? I don't know about that.

 

[Sviatoslav]

Have you actually ever been to Gaming side? It's a mess.

I rarely go over to the gaming side. I prefer to play games rather than talk about them, so basically the opposite of people over there. Although I find gaming-related outrag emuch worse than the social issues outrage in the OT. I mean just look at the Bayonetta 2 for Wii thread. Yeesh.

 

[Sianos]

Being banned for making a harmless joke must suck more than any other thing you can get banned for

Yeah, more than once I've caught myself making what I think is a harmless joke but might be taken the wrong way or is about a sensitive subject. GAF has a variety of users, some more sensitive than others, and I don't want to unnecessarily provoke people

Spoiler

for the most part :U

 

[Riposte]

Do your subscriptions still go away when you get banned?

 

[TheGreatDivide]

Being banned for making a harmless joke must suck more than any other thing you can get banned for

I can't believe this is considered ban worthy. Maybe he got banned for something else, I dunno.

 

[noah111]

I don't think banning him is the solution to that though. If he's sexist or racist, then there's nothing you can do about it except express your point of view and perhaps help him understand why you think that's wrong. It's not like he was being an asshole about it either. If he started hurling sexist or racist slurs then that's one thing, but to ban the dude forever? I don't know about that.

Never said i'd be in favor of him getting a perm-ban, just that it isn't unexpected to get banned when you say something as dumb as that, especially on such a sensitive thread topic.

 

[Huevos de Oro]

Do your subscriptions still go away when you get banned?

I remember reading a post by some dude that said his subscriptions were still there upon getting back from a ban.

 

[Izick]

Never said i'd be in favor of him getting a perm-ban, just that it isn't unexpected to get banned when you say something as dumb as that, especially on such a sensitive thread topic.

Fair enough.

 

[Lionel Mandrake]

Looks like bish is offline again. Still don't think he's done.

 

[alr1ght]

Do your subscriptions still go away when you get banned?

no

 

[Sviatoslav]

Please join my new website www.conservativegamers.com when it launches upon Romney's inauguration.

I am fairly left wing, though. I was just pointing out the obvious.

 

[B-Dubs]

Looks like bish is offline again. Still don't think he's done.

What are we up to? Gotta be over 40.

 

[Narag]

Do your subscriptions still go away when you get banned?

Pretty sure that was a bug that was fixed.

 

[Partial Gamification]

Regarding the whole "hive mind" thing. Since neogaf is a special interest forum(video games) it shouldn't be surprising that people and their opinions here would generally be more homogeneous than the general population. Can't deny that in general Neogaf has a liberal slant.

Or that we have all been brainwashed by videogames

 

[FACE]

Looks like bish is offline again. Still don't think he's done.

Thread's still sticky so it's a fair assumption.

 

[Gvaz]

I dunno, I'm anti gun control/removal and pretty anti-corporation pro government control but still consider myself a democrat :V

I'm also never going to change those views and will fight anyone to the death about it.