SquiddyCracker
Banned
One hand destroys, the other protects.
Is GAF too strict?
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spindashing
Banned
No it was more like he posted something questionable in that thread and when it was closed/locked/stickied, he freaked out.
In comparison to what others said, he really didn't cross too many lines but eh
Good kid over all, I'm glad he's not permed.
I think it's possible to support equal rights for women whilst also wanting to avoid being associated with brash and confrontational attitudes. Given this, I see no issue with people shying away from being openly labelled 'feminist' in certain contexts. Just as many people with no faith don't want to be labelled 'atheist'.
And here I thought I was lucky for having to wait 2 days...
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
So I think I just caught up, basically Bish reamed the creepshots thread? There's so much blood everywhere but do we know which ones are permas and which ones aren't? If I had that austinpowerswalkin.gif I'd post it.
By the way, I hate the fact that your posts per day are calculated from the time you signed up, not when you were approved. It's a stupidly tiny problem but it still ticks me off. *first world problems*
By the way, I hate the fact that your posts per day are calculated from the time you signed up, not when you were approved. It's a stupidly tiny problem but it still ticks me off. *first world problems*
SunhiLegend
Member
I was 2 years... 2 years (/_\
2 years? That's crazy, I had to wait around 9 months to get activated.
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
I think Evil and crew knew about my Trophy Collecting Agenda
Preparations had to be made
C O N spiracy!
Neoriceisgood
Member
This seems more like an issue of personal allergies than Devolution really being at fault.
Heck, I get pissed off any time I see you post about anything because I find your way of posting just that. Aggressive, obnoxious and insulting. That's not so much because you try to be, or necessarily are, it's because your entire way of debating/talking is in a personal allergy zone for me, I wouldn't like what you said even if I agreed with you
. (I actually had this with Amir0x too.)
Devolution calling someone sexist is about as "bad" as you calling a whole bunch of guys in the manga thread "trolls" or questioning people's genuine motives all the time.
It always fascinates me when people who have relatively aggressive posting styles themselves get so upset with Devolution or whatever.
Avoiding labels that perfectly describe you because the people who use them are too aggressive or whatever is kinda odd to me. Isn't joining and being nice the best solution to fix that?
Next time someone calls feminists angry or confrontational you can just say; "Well I consider myself a feminist, do you consider me angry?".
If people then proceed to treat you like shit cause of the label, you can show how non-angry you'll be about being actively misrepresented.
I hate you Blasty
Juniors are probably gone for good, but I don't think any posts were bad enough for a perm. That thread is lucky Bish decided against a round 3...
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Sounds related to the point Mumei was trying to make earlier.
I more or less agree with this. I mean, I am obviously not personally concerned with being considered brash and confrontational, but I guess people might. I also think that if you want to rehabilitate feminism, the best way to go about it is to go be a reasonable feminist, but I understand that people on average don't want to get too involved.
But I would note that that doesn't seem to be what he's talking about in the post I responded to.
People have no problem with my aggressive posting style, but I have a wiener so I get a pass.
Walter Matthau
Member
The only time I find NeoGAF unfair is when they perma-ban GAF celebrities (distinct and interesting long time posters). Other than that, the mods are preventing this forum from turning into an endless supply of posters making ignorant and immature comments. I like my forums "first" and "bumped" free.
Wait, round 3? He strafed twice in the same thread or in two different threads?
Honestly I think Gaf celebs should be judged just as hard as the average poster EXCEPT when they are consistently funny and know when to back off. So essentially noone.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
The fact that Devo is brought up in threads that have literally no bearing on her whatsoever supports her claims. It's obnoxious to me, and lord knows I don't agree with her all the time. It's also very, very weird.
Count Dookkake
Member
It's particularly silly how she is painted as hating men and male sexuality.
She has defended males against female stupidity, cruelty and aggression on numerous occasions. She also has a sense of humor and an appreciation for filth.
Dudes hate getting ether'd by a lady with cats on her face.
It's all a giant case of
Step 1:
Someone posts a thread with 'Rape' in the title.
Step 2:
Someone says something to the effect of 'OMG DEVO GUN GIT ME'.
Step 3:
Devo enters the thread and says something quite reasonable and thoughtful.
Step 4:
Someone ignores what she said in favor of blasting her for being unreasonable.
Step 5:
She gets aggressive.
And the cycle of GAF continues.
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
Waifu material... You here that Doggy!
Yeah, she's pretty aggressive in arguments but the hate that she generates always makes me feel lost and confused.
What, seriously? Okay, fuck you Blasty I don't feel bad for you anymore
j/k, congrats man, you are truly blessed by the GAF gods of luck.
It was the same thread. He went in and went to work, left for dinner, then went back for more. It was chilling.
I obviously don't have a problem with feminism as it is. But whenever this topic comes up it becomes clear that there are lots of people who are essentially the target audience for feminism (to wit, people who are marginalized or coerced by the patriarchal ideal of Manichaean sexuality) who refuse to identify with the concept. Obviously a big part of the problem here is privilege -- but that doesn't mean that there aren't potentially valid concerns here for people to consider and address.
Your pretty much known to get outraged over anything so maybe most just don't take you seriously anymore
I don't know, many people just can't be arsed to 'fight the fight', especially somewhere as polarised as the internet. I understand that, I'm the same with a few issues.
I don't think there necessarily needs to be any 'rehabilitating'. As with atheism, there's nothing wrong with the core concept, it's just that not every atheist wants to be openly labelled as an atheist. People associate certain 'tudes or behaviours with those that wear the label with fierce pride, right or wrong.
Imagine you're at a party and you start talking to someone you've never met before. Within ten minutes that person feels the need to tell you they're atheist or feminist apropos of nothing. Is that person going to be fun to drink with? 9 times out of 10, I'd guess 'no'. Does that mean I have an issue with feminism or atheism? Hell no, I'm an atheist feminist!
Yeah, sorry, I wasn't trying to form part of a larger narrative.
Makes Bish sound like a professional, bans a couple of members, his stomach growls prompting him to think about what to eat, has a nice dinner/lunch/brunch/breakfast, sits back down at his computer satisfied then bans more people like it's nothing. Sort of like Amercian Psycho.
I haven't watched American Psycho.
Ahahaha that's really bad luck. Was it Stormfront? lol
My view: That's because Devo style of posting can be very nerve racking. A lot of people say stupid shit here at GAF that's insults the reader's intelligence, but Devo use to literally drop insults in every single debates she was into. She was doing that for a long time and I couldn't believe that mods weren't banning her because I didn't remember anyone else getting away with that style of posting. I'm certain a lot of people here share my view about her past postings.
Yet, through time, seeing her posting in a much respectful manner in a variety of threads changed my opinion about her.
That's my 2 cents about this subject.
I don't recall anyone being as aggressively insulting in a constant basis as Devo used to be months ago.
In light of recent events, what do you guys prefer:
1) Letting a thread run so that all the stupid people/opinions collect then execute them all and potentially bringing the thread to a close.
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2) Banning a dude stepping out of line early so the topic may get back on topic.
1) Letting a thread run so that all the stupid people/opinions collect then execute them all and potentially bringing the thread to a close.
-or-
2) Banning a dude stepping out of line early so the topic may get back on topic.
Both have their merits. 2 is helpful for good discussion while 1 is good for trainwrecks that make entertaining reading later.
Moral Panic
Member
What makes you so sure of that?
Does GAF have a witness protection program? Think I might need that one day.
Well Bish did say months, so even if it's not perms there are definitely a lot of people who've gotten put away for a long period of time. I wouldn't be surprised if some were perm'd, though.
16 or so months for me. Can't imagine getting approved in 2 fucking days, lucky bastard.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
You´re not comparing a manga thread in which has no effect whatsoever on society to topics like the ones i am talking about, which has a huge effect on society. Are you?
Lol, as if i will fall for your tricks. Accusing someone in sexism to further your point. Bwahahahaha.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I got relatively lucky I guess? Like four months.
Pretty much this.
I think this forum has changed a lot over the past year or two especially, due to female-GAF becoming more outspoken. They existed before, and although maybe not in the same quantities as today, they seemed to be a lot more quiet. Devo was one of the handful of female gaffers who helped slowly change the landscape of gaf to take into account the female perspective. Not to say we were a pile of misogynist dude-bros before, but gaf in general was definitely more 'care free' about such matters.. Real pic january and the post pics of yourself threads also played a role in that shift a bit as well, I think.
Why would you do that?
Member
The mods were probably not visiting that thread. They aren't required to visit every thread. It's why the gypsy thread went unnoticed for a while, and it's probably what happened here.
As a result, once the thread is noticed, it's locked and mass bannings occur. In this instance, bishoptl saw it and felt that it was so bad, that he had to sticky it, too.
Neoriceisgood
Member
I'm talking about general posting style, doesn't matter if it's about manga, social issues or games. The way you post and argue is very similar on all of these topics from what I've seen.
They should make me a mod, I don't have a life so I can police all of Gaf, every minute of every day. And then I'll inevitable go crazy with power and usurp Evilore and turn Gaf into a permanent caturday.
black_vegeta
Member
Bish got dat work, geez.
OH MY GOD BLASTY!!!
Moral Panic
Member
I don't like marrecs posting style (hence my surprise at his comment), and I'm sure there are people who don't like my posting style. His assertion that the only reason people wouldn't like Devo is because she isn't a man is quite offensive and is pretty much the stuff that annoys me about his type of commenters. Everything is accompanied by a snide comment or said in a sarcastic tone and it's not helpful towards encouraging real debate. In real debate yeah, people will say stuff wrong or out of turn but then you use that opportunity to educate them, not to look down on them.
I don't know about other people but I learn a lot from the way others view the world even though it's not the same as mine. GAF may not be 100% conductive to that purpose but that's why mods are there.
Its pretty much a collective failure of everyone (still alive) from the creeper thread that we didn't PM a mod on the more blatant offensive comments, then maybe we would've gotten better ground rules as to how to proceed, if at all. Instead we got diversions, aggressive accusations, sexist undertones and the like. What did we learn? Were we in any way educated as to the legal aspect of it? Did we gain a view on different peoples view on privacy once we had established whether any laws were broken? Did we learn anything new at all?
Maybe I'm different, but I want people to disagree with me. I want to debate and discuss. And that can't happen if people are too afraid to be wrong.
I haven't been here long as an approved member but I lurked a lot and this is the vibe I'm getting here too.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
No. Manga thread has no effect on society and as such the posting style there does not matter much as long as you follow Neogaf FAQ.
Social issues is a different beast. If there are some people who don´t disagree with you, then you can try to convince them calmly because these issues are way too important to push people away from it. You don´t change people´s mind by insulting. You change their minds by engaging them in a civilized matter and provide your thought about why this and that should be different etc....
AlimNassor
Banned
I had to wait around 2 weeks.
Anyways, I think most of Gaf has a crush on Devo. Devo isn't a feminist, she's just a regular passive aggressive gaffer. Debates on Gaf are never civil. Anywaaays, as someone who has dealt with Feminists, the hardcore "i dont need no man" type, Devo is faaaar from it. I think Gaf just has a crush on her. Arguing on Gaf is never civil. I've dealt with "I dont need nooo man" feminists before and Devo is faaaaaar from it. She's nowhere near as bad as Dragona.
The Awesomest
Member
6 hours to get approved? Not perma'd as a junior?
HE IS THE CHOSEN ONE
Neoriceisgood
Member
You really don't read what I say, so nevermind.
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