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It doesn't really seem like something worth mentioning. Is it?
2012 First U.S. Presidential Debate |OT| OK Libya... We need a leader, not a reader.
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It doesn't really seem like something worth mentioning. Is it?
Yeah, he got Gish Galloped.
EatinOlives
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At least better moderated.
This debate was a mess on all fronts. Romney didn't speak facts, just bullshit. Obama absolutely refused to bring up all the shit he should've brought up (no 716, no 47%, etc.), and Jim was a fucking doormat.
yes
Monocle
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Pretty much this.
man of science
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Real Facebook comment:
Lets go Romney! Have to love how Romney is looking straight at Obama and Obama can't even speak back to him! Mitt Romney for president! Lets turn this country around!
Emphasis mine.
Lets go Romney! Have to love how Romney is looking straight at Obama and Obama can't even speak back to him! Mitt Romney for president! Lets turn this country around!
Emphasis mine.
Rachel is in tears surely and al is going nuts
yes.
Sviatoslav
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Romney was willing to play dirty and, as a result, likely "won" this debate. Both dudes suck at debates though. Obama should stick to speeches.
Pancakes
hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
Only one man should be a moderator...
In a perfect world...
megarockexe
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If this Romney crashes and has to reboot, he may be fighting different ideas.
And this, I wouldn't mind to actually watch the debate.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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Obama should have gone harder. He let Romney appear to be competent while flip flopping on his points.
And the moderation sucked. He got pushed and around and ran it poorly.
This isn't the time to hold back. The last thing people need to see you as is being too soft to defend yourself. Especially as a president candidate
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Welcome to American poli.. the human race.
Only one man should be a moderator...
That would be too good.
it was too depressing to think anyone won. Terrible format, Romney skated by without having any specifics AT ALL on many things. Even his tax plan, that didn't have specifics, got LESS informative.
I don't know how you can say Romney won this debate. He was definitely more fluid with his speech, and energetic, but then again, Obama has always been a great orator and so-so when it comes to talking on the fly. Having said that, Romney literally said nothing of worth tonight. The 'details' of his arguments are non-existent, and he failed to shake the notion that he lacks conviction and/or any type of a platform.
People suggesting that fluidity and pre-canned confidence alone insured Romney's victory tonight, and that this will some how effect the election in his favor, are completely misguided. The media is going to fail to pull anything of worth from his words tonight, and that's ultimately what's most important in these debates. Romney knew that going in considering his supposed preparation of 'zingers,' ie. moments/sound bites that would be repeated constantly through out the media.
What the hell are you going to repeat from his statements? Vague comments, or lies that will likely only be mentioned alongside the fact that fact checkers have proven them complete bullshit?
Obama won this debate hands down.
People suggesting that fluidity and pre-canned confidence alone insured Romney's victory tonight, and that this will some how effect the election in his favor, are completely misguided. The media is going to fail to pull anything of worth from his words tonight, and that's ultimately what's most important in these debates. Romney knew that going in considering his supposed preparation of 'zingers,' ie. moments/sound bites that would be repeated constantly through out the media.
What the hell are you going to repeat from his statements? Vague comments, or lies that will likely only be mentioned alongside the fact that fact checkers have proven them complete bullshit?
Obama won this debate hands down.
GregLombardi
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Debate was about even on visuals / speaking / stance.
Obama was way ahead if you actually listened to the facts and the arguments he made, which, I admit, were certainly less filled with rhetoric than Romney's, and thus less easy to listen to.
Obama was way ahead if you actually listened to the facts and the arguments he made, which, I admit, were certainly less filled with rhetoric than Romney's, and thus less easy to listen to.
Chiggs
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Obama was way too soft and let Romney steal the debate. I also agree with what Fox is saying about Obama constantly smirking and looking away. Certainly didn't help him.
I agree with this. It's always easier for the challenger.
I agree with this. It's always easier for the challenger.
Polishin8r
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PBS said Ramney was practicing 50 hrs of televised debating lol that robot trying to become a real boy
Trojita
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I just thought it was odd how Obama had to then say hello to all of them courteously.
oneils
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DOMESTIC POLICY DEBATE
TAXES
Romney
- The rich's taxes will stay the same
- Middle class tax rates will be reduced
- Some tax deductions will be eliminated (no specifics).
- Will implement growth policies (examples include opening up energy exploration - think he had a few more, just can't remember).
- The growth policies will generate extra revenue to balance budget
- Reduce, Broaden the base, and Simplify
Obama
- Reduce waste (77 military programs, 18 educaton program, medicare fraud)
- Cut a trillion dollars out of discretionary budget.
- Have to do more. 4 trillion dollar reduction plan. Review cuts on our website.
- Ask for 1 dollar revenue for ever 2.50 in cuts. Paid for by asking some to pay a little more.
- Balanced way.
ENTITLEMENTS
Social Security
Both candidates agree system is sound with "tweaks."
Medicare
Romney
- Vouchers to those who need. Idea is to give consumers
choice and increase competition. This will reduce costs/prices.
- Obama's plan will ruin health care sector as it unilaterally reduces rates
without encouraging competition.
Obama
- Reduce costs by creating high risk pools, appove more generics
etc.. I think everyone kinda knows what Obamacare is about.
BUSINESS
Romney
- reduce regulation
- make regulation that exists clearer
- lower individual tax rate as many small businesses pay this rate.
Obama
- Change tax code to help and encourage small business.
- 97% of business wont see a tax increase.
Health Care
Romney
- repeal PPACA
- actually increases costs to consumers
- PPACA cuts medicare
- creates an unelected board to determine covered treatments
- hurts employers/jerbs
Obama
- PPACA will help insure more families
- prevent medical bankruptcies
- No gov. takeover for those already insured. It ensures that insurance companies don't "jerk" you around. Lowers admin costs.
- Encourages group plans (will reduce rates).
- Model works well in Massuchusetts. Gov Romney da best!
ROLE of GOVERNMENT
Obama
- Keep Americans safe
- Gov has capacity to create opportunity (frameworks of success)
or gateways: ex. Railways, Colleges, Reasearch.
- Funds to reform education, hire math and science teachers and create a skilled workforce
- Gov can't do it all, but can make a difference
Romney
- States, not fed gov, should make own decisions to hire teachers
- Constitutional basics
- Keep up military to protect life and liberty
- Care for those who have difficulties to help with pursuit of happiness (elderly and disabled)
- Allow people to pursue dreams. Get government out of the way.
- role of government is not to pick winners and losers in business.
EDUCATION
Romney
- Fed Gov can help states and local govs to improve schools
- Fed funds should go directly to parents of disabled and low income students so they can make their own choices.
- Won't cut education funding. Will continue to grow grants for college
- Divert money from "green job" initiative (?) and reinvest into education.
Obama
- Fed gov. working with states to enact reforms.
- Romney tax cuts could reduce education budget by 20%
- Help businesses set up training programs with community colleges
- Make college affordable by cutting out middle man in student loans. Loan
money directly to students so they can save money through lower interest rates.
TAXES
Romney
- The rich's taxes will stay the same
- Middle class tax rates will be reduced
- Some tax deductions will be eliminated (no specifics).
- Will implement growth policies (examples include opening up energy exploration - think he had a few more, just can't remember).
- The growth policies will generate extra revenue to balance budget
- Reduce, Broaden the base, and Simplify
Obama
- Reduce waste (77 military programs, 18 educaton program, medicare fraud)
- Cut a trillion dollars out of discretionary budget.
- Have to do more. 4 trillion dollar reduction plan. Review cuts on our website.
- Ask for 1 dollar revenue for ever 2.50 in cuts. Paid for by asking some to pay a little more.
- Balanced way.
ENTITLEMENTS
Social Security
Both candidates agree system is sound with "tweaks."
Medicare
Romney
- Vouchers to those who need. Idea is to give consumers
choice and increase competition. This will reduce costs/prices.
- Obama's plan will ruin health care sector as it unilaterally reduces rates
without encouraging competition.
Obama
- Reduce costs by creating high risk pools, appove more generics
etc.. I think everyone kinda knows what Obamacare is about.
BUSINESS
Romney
- reduce regulation
- make regulation that exists clearer
- lower individual tax rate as many small businesses pay this rate.
Obama
- Change tax code to help and encourage small business.
- 97% of business wont see a tax increase.
Health Care
Romney
- repeal PPACA
- actually increases costs to consumers
- PPACA cuts medicare
- creates an unelected board to determine covered treatments
- hurts employers/jerbs
Obama
- PPACA will help insure more families
- prevent medical bankruptcies
- No gov. takeover for those already insured. It ensures that insurance companies don't "jerk" you around. Lowers admin costs.
- Encourages group plans (will reduce rates).
- Model works well in Massuchusetts. Gov Romney da best!
ROLE of GOVERNMENT
Obama
- Keep Americans safe
- Gov has capacity to create opportunity (frameworks of success)
or gateways: ex. Railways, Colleges, Reasearch.
- Funds to reform education, hire math and science teachers and create a skilled workforce
- Gov can't do it all, but can make a difference
Romney
- States, not fed gov, should make own decisions to hire teachers
- Constitutional basics
- Keep up military to protect life and liberty
- Care for those who have difficulties to help with pursuit of happiness (elderly and disabled)
- Allow people to pursue dreams. Get government out of the way.
- role of government is not to pick winners and losers in business.
EDUCATION
Romney
- Fed Gov can help states and local govs to improve schools
- Fed funds should go directly to parents of disabled and low income students so they can make their own choices.
- Won't cut education funding. Will continue to grow grants for college
- Divert money from "green job" initiative (?) and reinvest into education.
Obama
- Fed gov. working with states to enact reforms.
- Romney tax cuts could reduce education budget by 20%
- Help businesses set up training programs with community colleges
- Make college affordable by cutting out middle man in student loans. Loan
money directly to students so they can save money through lower interest rates.
Yeah, what a tool that Obama guy is. Respecting the debate format. Pssh.
I'd like to see him and Colbert co-moderate a debate.Only one man should be a moderator...
TheNatural
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LOL perfect comparison.
The reality is that this debate format isn't about facts or specific policies. Theyve become more about how candidates come across and how they speak/present themselves in front of a national TV audience. The fact checking won't reach even close to the percentage of people who watched the debate, and in this sense Romney clearly won.
That being said, such a slim "win" doesn't really mean much in the grand scheme of things. In the end, the most important thing for Obama was not getting KO'd or screwing up majorly, which clearly didn't happen- he was fine.
velvet_nitemare
Member
Romney won it IMO. Hopefully it doesn't affect the polls.
"I am going to do all good things and no bad things yup"
ElectricBlue187
Member
The thing that was most surprising to me is Romney seemed to change his stance on pretty much everything he's been against so far in his campaign. He "went to the middle" pretty much in one night, pretty telling, that.
IrishNinja
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PhoenixDarky i love you but if i could bet you a vita on this, i would man
you're in line with balbo urethra here, think bout that dun
you're in line with balbo urethra here, think bout that dun
TheLastCandle
Member
Maddow looks absolutely devastated.
Obama was looking down and away quite often while Romney was speaking. It just oozed of bad body language.
PhoenixDark
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Bill Maher is pissed. It's pretty clear who won
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