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I think Romney wins the media narrative, which is all that debates are good for.

I think this race gets REALLY interesting if Romney pulls ahead nationally a bit, because Ohio is almost obviously out of play. If Ohio is out of play, what's the point of all this? Is it even possible for Romney to draw a winning map? Hardly.
 
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TheNatural said:
At least they went down to the base difference there. Guiliani just flat out said "if rich people have more money, they hire more people."

Soo .. where the fuck are the jobs at? The Bush tax cuts haven't done shit with the economy. I never understand why this isn't the basic crux of Democrats when speaking. They sort of beat around the bush there.

Why is the simple question of: "well why does having more money mean anything, that doesn't mean they have any more jobs, that doesn't mean lower class people have the money to buy their products or services, and the economy is in the shitter for years WITH the Bush tax cuts. So it's proven to not work, so why do you keep saying it does?"

Seriously, just fucking say that and beat that drum every fucking debate.
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Don't worry, if you keep trying it it eventually has to work once!
 
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Juice said:
I think Romney wins the media narrative, which is all that debates are good for.

I think this race gets REALLY interesting if Romney pulls ahead nationally a bit, because Ohio is almost obviously out of play. If Ohio is out of play, what's the point of all this? Is it even possible for Romney to draw a winning map? Hardly.
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How. Debates are ultimately about sound bites, something networks can consistently relay to viewers and give commentary on. What in the hell are they going to pull from Romney's side of the debate?
 
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slightconfuse said:
lol total meltdown
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I have to agree with what he said about Obama's body language. He did look like he was enduring that debate. Obama looked like a trial attorney every time Romney talked and he was looking down at his podium taking notes when Romney talked. Romney had the death stare smirk, I'm going to ruffle your Jimmies everytime Obama was talking.

And shut the fuck up David Plouffe. TV debates are 50 percent performance, 50 percent policy. Romney was 100 percent performance with too little specifics while Bams was 100 percent stuttering policy.
 
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Juice said:
I think Romney wins the media narrative, which is all that debates are good for.

I think this race gets REALLY interesting if Romney pulls ahead nationally a bit, because Ohio is almost obviously out of play. If Ohio is out of play, what's the point of all this? Is it even possible for Romney to draw a winning map? Hardly.
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Well it is apparently possible for him to draw a tie map while losing Ohio which means Romney wins. I think Obama will still win but he will need to actually show up next time and be in control.
 
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Juice said:
I think Romney wins the media narrative, which is all that debates are good for.

I think this race gets REALLY interesting if Romney pulls ahead nationally a bit, because Ohio is almost obviously out of play. If Ohio is out of play, what's the point of all this? Is it even possible for Romney to draw a winning map? Hardly.
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If Obama can't have a blowout, I'd almost like to see an Electoral College/Popular Vote split in Obama's favor, just so that we can see some heads explode. Muahahaha!
 
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harSon said:
How. Debates are ultimately about sound bites, something networks can consistently relay to viewers and give commentary on. What in the hell are they going to pull from Romney's side of the debate?
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So, I take it things didn't go well? That kind of sucks.
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I have no idea what debate people were watching.

Obama: You're plan is X, and I don't think it's a good idea. Here's my plan.
Romney: That's not my plan, my plan is to take things in your plan that people like and to make it gooder. And to also make more jobs, and increase everyone's income magically.
Moderator: Derp

If Romney wins this debate, it'll be the group of people that are suckered into very expensive warranty extensions from made up anecdotal evidence from salesmen lying through their teeth.
 
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So the media decided that Obama lost? That sucks.

I have no idea what debate people were watching.

Obama: You're plan is X, and I don't think it's a good idea. Here's my plan.
Romney: That's not my plan, my plan is to take things in your plan that people like and to make it gooder. And to also make more jobs, and increase everyone's income magically.
Moderator: Derp

If Romney wins this debate, it'll be the group of people that are suckered into very expensive warranty extensions from made up anecdotal evidence from salesmen lying through their teeth.
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I watched the first 30 minutes and it was literally this. Neither candidate wanted the other one to have the last word either. It was like a penis measuring contest. Romney was more aggressive though with the attacks and Obama didn't refute those attacks he just went off on something else.
 
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Holy crap do not read the Yahoo comments based on the debates. I have never seen such a circle jerk. Republicans are claiming victory and saying "Obummer..." has lost.
 
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Also, Jobs Report on Friday and two more debates. Now Obama knows the strategy, and his team is going to tell him to pep it up. Many incumbents lose the first debate.


People need to CALM DOWN.

67% say Romney won; 25% say Obama won.
 
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harSon said:
How. Debates are ultimately about sound bites, something networks can consistently relay to viewers and give commentary on. What in the hell are they going to pull from Romney's side of the debate?
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That he has even LESS specifics about his tax plan today than he did previously. LESS. LESS.

LESS.

The media narrative will be: Romney did well, but he's full of ****
 
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The Chosen One said:
Bush also came out very flat in the first '04 Presidential debate. I think all incumbents from the local, state, and federal level always give off the impression that would rather be somewhere else in the first debates.

This debate went as about as I expected. Romney clearly benefitted from the unusually high amount of debates in the Republican primary this year. He looked sharper, more prepared, and more comfortable out there. Obama has always been a bit of an inconsistent debater and he clearly didn't prep enough to clamp down on his awkward pauses.

That said, there were no major gaffes by either candidate. Romney clearly won the debate but there was no game changing moment. Romney will get a couple points bounce in the polls, but I don't think this drastically turns the race around for Romney in the battle ground states.
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Another topic should be about globalization. Tell the american people what is really going on and what the future policies are surrounding it besides just "Getting hard on IP protection".

Both Romney and Obama had weak conclusion speeches though. Obama's was weaker though, should have sharp. Romney's was basic jibberish as usual, but better said. Seems like Romney worked harder than Obama did as well, it was noticeable in a way, even though he didn't dive into policy enough.
 
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I have no idea what debate people were watching.

Obama: You're plan is X, and I don't think it's a good idea. Here's my plan.
Romney: That's not my plan, my plan is to take things in your plan that people like and to make it gooder. And to also make more jobs, and increase everyone's income magically.
Moderator: Derp

If Romney wins this debate, it'll be the group of people that are suckered into very expensive warranty extensions from made up anecdotal evidence from salesmen lying through their teeth.
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Thoraxes said:
Don't worry, if you keep trying it it eventually has to work once!
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The basic premise of Republicans vs. Democrats on the economy is Republicans believe in the Chicago school of econ by Friedman that "worked" with Reagan, and the Democrats believe in the Keynes approach that brought us out of the Great Depression.

Republicans bring up Reagan like as their trump card for everything, except to not mention that behind Reagan's success was a huge ass running up of the deficit, one of the most ever in US history in a Presidential reign I believe. Spend that kind of money, things could turn around under any plan.

There's no reason in today's age where wealth is hoarded by the few that anyone ANYWHERE should believe the wealth is going to trickle down because the proof is there that doesn't. The law of supply and demand dictates growth, and giving companies MORE money doesn't create jobs. PERIOD. This is simplest way to explain it and it should be used more often.
 
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Souldriver said:
Yes, this. Obama doesn't need to completely go ham on Romney. But there were many opportunities where he could simple and effectively hit Romney.

Like, this exchange that happened...

Obama: *lays out how Obamacare works and what it does.*

followed up by...

Mitt: I will repeal Obamacare, and replace it with what works. I'll keep the good things, throw out the bad things. Make it good for everyone....


At the very end of that, Obama should have just shoved to following sentence in: With all do respect, we haven't heard any specifics on what you actually are gonna do and not do for healthcare.

This little sentence would completely dismantle Romneys perfectly prepared non-answer. But Obama did none of that.
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Obama is too polite and a gentleman to do that NOW, he will wait the exact moment to throw that out and bring romney down.
 
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Maybe my long history in higher education sways me out of step with the mythical common man on this point, but I'm so tired of hearing Obama chastised for taking a "professorial" tone. Those are the moments in which he displays a calm mastery of the minor details of the subject matter under dispute, and that is his strong point in distinction from every other president in my not-short lifetime. Leave the affectation and pandering tone out of the debate when specific, complex policies are in dispute.
 
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...at_obama_after_debate_romney_was_winning.html

I love how Chris Matthews's called Obama out on NOT retaliating and throwing out the facts when he should have. BUT there is one thing he forgot...Obama doesn't know what he is doing. He is a figure head. He is TOLD what to say and what to do and he was caught off guard. His speeches and lines are written for him and Romney calling him out like he did tonight just showed it.

smh Obama. You were supposed to be better than Romney. Ron Paul > Obama > Romney.
 
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