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[RDreamer]

How so?
You are aware that the senate is controlled by the Democrats right and this election most likely will not change that?

You're the one arguing about a hypothetical Romney presidency, and in that case the democrats would very possibly lose control of the senate.

Gah, my brain is full of fuck

 

[East Lake]

I am saying that Romney would cause the push of the progressive agenda... Not that he would push a progressive agenda himself necessarily

Right, that's fantasy. What will actually happen is the economy will march towards recovery as forecasts have predicted and it will be a validation of conservatism, so we'll get shit on for another 8 years like we saw in the Bush administration. This is a lot like thinking the 2010 Tea Party helped liberals instead of setting them back a couple years.

 

[flippymittens]

lol, no.

I'm not insulting your intelligence but yea I doubt that. I sure as hell would be a shitty president

Its not a matter of being intelligent, it is a matter of doing what is right... I am sure most of us here would do the right thing and not bombard villages with predator drones or violate the civil liberties of comrades.
Being President contrary to what the media tells us is a very easy job... Look at the vacation days we allow... Presidents should have the same or less vacation days than the common American especially with the luxuries they have.

I am pretty sure most Neogaf members would be a better President than most of our modern Presidents.

 

[RDreamer]

Its not a matter of being intelligent, it is a matter of doing what is right... I am sure most of us here would do the right thing and not bombard villages with predator drones or violate the civil liberties of comrades.
Being President contrary to what the media tells us is a very easy job... Look at the vacation days we allow... Presidents should have the same or less vacation days than the common American especially with the luxuries they have.

I am pretty sure most Neogaf members would be a better President than most of our modern Presidents.

Tell me how did you get this naive on literally everything?

 

[speculawyer]

This was actually the most fascinating part of the debate to me. He kept insisting he wouldn't lower any taxes unless it wouldn't increase the deficit, but how the hell is he going to do that? He said he won't cut the military and he won't cut medicare, so he's going to nickle and dime the rest of the government to get a 1 point tax cut for small businesses? Would PBS' public funding even amount to a tenth of a point of a tax cut?

As Bill Clinton pointed out, the math just doesn't add up.

But I gotta say, Romney did a pretty good snake oil con job making it sound like it would work even though the hard numbers showed it doesn't add up at all.

 

[krypt0nian]

Tell me how did you get this naive on literally everything?

He's scaring me.

 

[Freezie KO]

Its not a matter of being intelligent, it is a matter of doing what is right... I am sure most of us here would do the right thing and not bombard villages with predator drones or violate the civil liberties of comrades.

I <3 drones. You don't want my finger on the button.

As Bill Clinton pointed out, the math just doesn't add up.

But I gotta say, Romney did a pretty good snake oil con job making it sound like it would work even though the hard numbers showed it doesn't add up at all.

Romney would probably say that the economy is going to grow, thus providing more revenue for the government. The problem happens on Day Two when the mystical Romney Bump doesn't happen.

 

[Pollux]

Its not a matter of being intelligent, it is a matter of doing what is right... I am sure most of us here would do the right thing and not bombard villages with predator drones or violate the civil liberties of comrades.
Being President contrary to what the media tells us is a very easy job... Look at the vacation days we allow... Presidents should have the same or less vacation days than the common American especially with the luxuries they have.

I am pretty sure most Neogaf members would be a better President than most of our modern Presidents.

The depressing thing is that you're serious...

Wow

 

[commish]

Its not a matter of being intelligent, it is a matter of doing what is right... I am sure most of us here would do the right thing and not bombard villages with predator drones or violate the civil liberties of comrades.
Being President contrary to what the media tells us is a very easy job... Look at the vacation days we allow... Presidents should have the same or less vacation days than the common American especially with the luxuries they have.

I am pretty sure most Neogaf members would be a better President than most of our modern Presidents.

What the fuck am I reading?

 

[Jintor]

Actually, I think Romney came across as more personable during this debate and it shocked the hell out of me.

Only for that first comment about the Obama's anniversary, for me. Everything else for me made him come across like a smirking, occasionally panicking attackbot.

 

[watershed]

Its not a matter of being intelligent, it is a matter of doing what is right... I am sure most of us here would do the right thing and not bombard villages with predator drones or violate the civil liberties of comrades.
Being President contrary to what the media tells us is a very easy job... Look at the vacation days we allow... Presidents should have the same or less vacation days than the common American especially with the luxuries they have.

I am pretty sure most Neogaf members would be a better President than most of our modern Presidents.

This is like a whole new level of nonsense.

 

[ThisWreckage]

Only for that first comment about the Obama's anniversary, for me. Everything else for me made him come across like a smirking, occasionally panicking attackbot.

Oh, come on. That Big Bird line was awesome. Also, that smirking will come across as confidence to most people. Contrast that with Obama's stammering.

 

[CherryWoodFuton]

Its not a matter of being intelligent, it is a matter of doing what is right... I am sure most of us here would do the right thing and not bombard villages with predator drones or violate the civil liberties of comrades.
Being President contrary to what the media tells us is a very easy job... Look at the vacation days we allow... Presidents should have the same or less vacation days than the common American especially with the luxuries they have.

I am pretty sure most Neogaf members would be a better President than most of our modern Presidents.

I'm not defending drone strikes or anything but life isn't that black and white. Plus with the stress of you know being the leader of the free world and all I think vacation time is warranted

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

What the fuck am I reading?

His name is flippymittens.

Could be a joke.

 

[SouthernDragon]

Kosmo and Manos were sent away... is flippymittens what we get in return?

 

[apana]

Honestly I think being president is wearing him out. I especially think Libya has exhausted him.


Though I do think Romney laid out his cards (coughLiescough) and it will be much easier for obama in the next two debates to hammer him on them.

Yeah it is clearly wearing on him. Don't know whether he is tired or he just doesn't have the same passion for politics that he used to. He seemed nervous even when talking about Michelle and his anniversary. Bill Clinton, Joe Biden, and Michelle Obama were more enthusiastic at his convention than he was.

 

[Veezy]

How so?
You are aware that the senate is controlled by the Democrats right and this election most likely will not change that?



Reagan was a terrible President who does not deserve half of the praise he is given in my view.

I knew I recognized that point of view, had to dig through this thread, but yeah, I know your game. It's been called out before.

Listen LV, you may firmly believe that voting Mitt into office will be some sort of roundabout way to get people to champion more progressive views, but you'd be wrong. Mitt Romney will push hard right on everything that he is able to because that's the game he's been playing, that's the game of the people who are pushing him into office, and that's his belief structure. He said leaving Iraq was bad, he said that Russia is our #1 geopolitical foe, he for war with Iran, he's against the progression of gay rights, against increasing and for decreasing social programs, against women's rights.... the list goes fucking on and on.

You might hoot an holler that your not left wing enough president, who has to represent 300 million people off all political backgrounds, is voted out of office and finally, after four years of torture, we'd get an even worse man in office and the CHANGE WILL COME... But you'd be wrong. Instead, you'd have a man in office who would roll shit back and would push in the wrong direction.

If you want to fight against the President's record on signing the NDAA, drone attacks in foreign countries, extending the bush tax cuts (like a veto on the middle class exemptions would have been a good idea), etc. then do that. Vote Mitt, go for it. Feel proud of yourself. But's it's not going to push the country left. It will do quite the opposite, especially at a time when there's more corporate money in politics then ever before.

You think Mitt would sign off on a constitutional amendment to over turn citizens united? Or even go on record that is an option? I don't like things that the President has done in office, but I sure don't go and vote for the guy who's pushing for right wing movement in order to try and get people to fight against an expansion of the governments military involvement.

Its not a matter of being intelligent, it is a matter of doing what is right... I am sure most of us here would do the right thing and not bombard villages with predator drones or violate the civil liberties of comrades.
Being President contrary to what the media tells us is a very easy job... Look at the vacation days we allow... Presidents should have the same or less vacation days than the common American especially with the luxuries they have.

I am pretty sure most Neogaf members would be a better President than most of our modern Presidents.

And you really think you could do better than Barack Obama at being President of the United States? Come on, dude. Come. On.

 

[Bowdz]

Its not a matter of being intelligent, it is a matter of doing what is right... I am sure most of us here would do the right thing and not bombard villages with predator drones or violate the civil liberties of comrades.
Being President contrary to what the media tells us is a very easy job... Look at the vacation days we allow... Presidents should have the same or less vacation days than the common American especially with the luxuries they have.

I am pretty sure most Neogaf members would be a better President than most of our modern Presidents.

Wow...

Unfuckingbelievable.

 

[flippymittens]

Tell me how did you get this naive on literally everything?

He's scaring me.

Sorry I do not constantly shower President Obama in adulation. Sorry... I think the debate was somewhat of a tie. You have two candidates not representing the people but special interests as usual. The hardest part about the Presidency is getting elected. The actual job itself is common sense that anyone can do.

Do you know how many people apply for the job? Tons, only a few are selected through an elitist and controlled process. I stand by my statement that a large number of Americans can do a better job than either candidate.

I <3 drones. You don't want my finger on the button.




Romney would probably say that the economy is going to grow, thus providing more revenue for the government. The problem happens on Day Two when the mystical Romney Bump doesn't happen.

I never said everyone, I said most.

 

[Shouta]

This was actually the most fascinating part of the debate to me. He kept insisting he wouldn't lower any taxes unless it wouldn't increase the deficit, but how the hell is he going to do that? He said he won't cut the military and he won't cut medicare, so he's going to nickle and dime the rest of the government to get a 1 point tax cut for small businesses? Would PBS' public funding even amount to a tenth of a point of a tax cut?

Yeah, it's amazing how political pundits and the average voter doesn't bother actually listening and thinking about the logistics of what's being said. From a content standpoint, Obama did a lot better than Romney to me but Romney presented his ridiculousness with more confidence. Considering these debates are mainly just about seeing who's more confident, Romney wins. However, looking at the debate from the standpoint of who actually might be able to do something, Obama sort of comes out on top. Romney couldn't even give vague plans on what he'd do. He doesn't even have to promise them, just give us an idea. But, I think he might end up losing if badly if people were to see what he would actually do.

 

[Angry Fork]

Its not a matter of being intelligent, it is a matter of doing what is right... I am sure most of us here would do the right thing and not bombard villages with predator drones or violate the civil liberties of comrades.
Being President contrary to what the media tells us is a very easy job... Look at the vacation days we allow... Presidents should have the same or less vacation days than the common American especially with the luxuries they have.

I am pretty sure most Neogaf members would be a better President than most of our modern Presidents.

I agree with you on those topics but I know you realize people here are accepting Obama's faults along with his goods, it isn't like they're blindly following him (some are but it's not like 2008). They know there's not much else you can do since they see him as the only option in this 2 party system. And for all intents and purposes he pretty much is the only option.

I can't bring myself to vote for him I'll be voting Alexander or Stein but I recognize it's useless pointless protest votes. I would just rather be able to say I voted for one of them then continue to support someone who's okay with being a war criminal for the sake of preserving american empire. To me ethically that trumps his stance on other issues but for others they feel other issues are more important.

 

[Gattsu25]

Romney pulled out the "government takeover of Medicare" BS again?

He also forget that his own plan includes the exact same 716 billion in savings?

Romney lied about the subsidies for the oil industry (they 2.8 billion is in fact for the 5 big oil companies)

Romney lied about the role of the medical committee

Romney lied when saying that he wouldn't lower taxes for the rich

Romney lied when talking about the Dodd-Frank Bill and mischaracterized it as protecting big banks as too big to fail when the bill actually instills greater regulation on them.

And yet people say that he won this debate. All this tells me is that our political system is fucked.

 

[Thoraxes]

Yeah, it's amazing how political pundits and the average voter doesn't bother actually listening and thinking about the logistics of what's being said. From a content standpoint, Obama did a lot better than Romney to me but Romney presented his ridiculousness with more confidence. Considering these debates are mainly just about seeing who's more confident, Romney wins. However, looking at the debate from the standpoint of who actually might be able to do something, Obama sort of comes out on top.

Exactly what i've wanted to say summed up better than my blabbering self ever could.

 

[krypt0nian]

Sorry I do not constantly shower President Obama in adulation. Sorry... I think the debate was somewhat of a tie. You have two candidates not representing the people but special interests as usual. The hardest part about the Presidency is getting elected. The actual job itself is common sense that anyone can do.

Do you know how many people apply for the job? Tons, only a few are selected through an elitist and controlled process. I stand by my statement that a large number of Americans can do a better job than either candidate.


I never said everyone, I said most.

pleasebeajokeposterpleasebeajokeposterpleasebeajokeposter

 

[flippymittens]

The depressing thing is that you're serious...

Wow

You know what is depressing, these cool, privileged intellectuals, and elites pretending to share the progressive ideology by bashing Bush only to adore President Obama to the high heavens.
That is what is depressing, politics being turned into a sport.

What the fuck am I reading?

Exactly what is before your eyes, no need to be condescending just because my posts are not thoroughly composed. Not everyone has the same IQ so maybe rather than nit picking my grammar and partaking in an elitist dismissal based on my syntax you should take the thought of my post.

Only for that first comment about the Obama's anniversary, for me. Everything else for me made him come across like a smirking, occasionally panicking attackbot.

President Obama's anniversary was a rather touching moment that helped him connect with voters.

 

[Veezy]

pleasebeajokeposterpleasebeajokeposterpleasebeajokeposter

No, it's sincerity.

You know what is depressing, these cool, privileged intellectuals, and elites pretending to share the progressive ideology by bashing Bush only to adore President Obama to the high heavens.
That is what is depressing, politics being turned into a sport.


Exactly what is before your eyes, no need to be condescending just because my posts are not thoroughly composed. Not everyone has the same IQ so maybe rather than nit picking my grammar and partaking in an elitist dismissal based on my syntax you should take the thought of my post.


President Obama's anniversary was a rather touching moment that helped him connect with voters.

You are not a victim.

People are not condescending to you because of your grammar. They're condescending because you believe you'd be a better president than Barack Obama.

Dude's not FDR, but seriously?

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

Romney pulled out the "government takeover of Medicare" BS again?

He also forget that his own plan includes the exact same 716 billion in savings?

Romney lied about the subsidies for the oil industry (they 2.8 billion is in fact for the 5 big oil companies)

Romney lied about the role of the medical committee

Romney lied when saying that he wouldn't lower taxes for the rich

Romney lied when talking about the Dodd-Frank Bill and mischaracterized it as protecting big banks as too big to fail when the bill actually instills greater regulation on them.

And yet people say that he won this debate. All this tells me is that our political system is fucked.

That's not what these debates are won on....They're won on charisma.

 

[ThisWreckage]

Romney pulled out the "government takeover of Medicare" BS again?

He also forget that his own plan includes the exact same 716 billion in savings?

Romney lied about the subsidies for the oil industry (they 2.8 billion is in fact for the 5 big oil companies)

Romney lied about the role of the medical committee

Romney lied when saying that he wouldn't lower taxes for the rich

Romney lied when talking about the Dodd-Frank Bill and mischaracterized it as protecting big banks as too big to fail when the bill actually instills greater regulation on them.

And yet people say that he won this debate. All this tells me is that our political system is fucked.

And Obama stood there slackjawed and glossy eyed while Romney was saying these things. If Romney can get away with outright lying he's going to. He is a politician, after all.

 

[Angry Fork]

pleasebeajokeposterpleasebeajokeposterpleasebeajokeposter

It has a slight whiff of conspiracy in the air but otherwise I don't see what's so wrong about it. Politicians cater to special interests and certain ones are given lots of money/favored by these groups which propels them to higher levels.

The idea of a shitload of normal people supporting some homegrown worker who isn't a lawyer and that person managing to win seems kind of far fetched or at least really really hard to do.

 

[Particle Physicist]

How so?
You are aware that the senate is controlled by the Democrats right and this election most likely will not change that?

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/


If Romney flips polling and wins the presidential election, the Senate battle will very likely flip as well. You do realize that, right? Especially with all the superpac money that plays hard on the downticket races.

 

[flippymittens]

I agree with you on those topics but I know you realize people here are accepting Obama's faults along with his goods, it isn't like they're blindly following him (some are but it's not like 2008). They know there's not much else you can do since they see him as the only option in this 2 party system. And for all intents and purposes he pretty much is the only option.

I can't bring myself to vote for him I'll be voting Alexander or Stein but I recognize it's useless pointless protest votes. I would just rather be able to say I voted for one of them then continue to support someone who's okay with being a war criminal for the sake of preserving american empire. To me ethically that trumps his stance on other issues but for others they feel other issues are more important.

I myself am torn between voting third party and voting for Romney. Occasionally I think of voting for President Obama but I just think of the voters and the pseudo-liberals who turned a blind eye to his crypto-facsist and authoritarian regime.

 

[Jintor]

Exactly what is before your eyes, no need to be condescending just because my posts are not thoroughly composed. Not everyone has the same IQ so maybe rather than nit picking my grammar and partaking in an elitist dismissal based on my syntax you should take the thought of my post.

Holy shit. You are LV.

 

[demon]

That's not what these debates are won on....They're won on charisma.

This fall on Fox: So You Think You Can President

 

[krypt0nian]

It has a slight whiff of conspiracy in the air but otherwise I don't see what's so wrong about it. Politicians cater to special interests and certain ones are given lots of money/favored by these groups which propels them to higher levels.

The idea of a shitload of normal people supporting some homegrown worker who isn't a lawyer and that person managing to win seems kind of far fetched or at least really really hard to do.

So you think the job is easy and most people could do a better job too?

What's so wrong about it? Wow.

 

[ronito]

And Obama stood there slackjawed and glossy eyed while Romney was saying these things. If Romney can get away with outright lying he's going to. He is a politician, after all.

Yup. There were at least 5 times he could've gone for the jugular and never did.

I especially loved the line "I have 5 boys and I learned that you can say something over and over and hope that it's true but that doesn't make it true."

Such a simple thing to diffuse all Obama had to do was to say "Are you calling your sons liars?"

 

[Pollux]

I myself am torn between voting third party and voting for Romney. Occasionally I think of voting for President Obama but I just think of the voters and the pseudo-liberals who turned a blind eye to his crypto-facsist and authoritarian regime.

And you're thinking of votin for Romney? Jesus fucking Christ man, you think Obama had an authoritarian regime? Haha holy shit I can't believe what I'm reading

 

[Monocle]

Tell me how did you get this naive on literally everything?

Seriously.

 

[Gattsu25]

That's not what these debates are won on....They're won on charisma.

That was my point when I said that our political system was fucked.

People forget that Obama pushed back on the $716B numerous times and Romney kept lying. Calling him out for everything would have just made Obama look petty even though it would have satisfied the democratic base.

 

[Deified Data]

I made a point of watching these today.

Why? What did I get out of that? What could anyone get out of that? It's the spectacle, right? That must be it. Presidential debates seem an antiquated notion in an era where our two largest parties effectively agree on 90% of policy and are too afraid to disagree about the rest.

 

[ThisWreckage]

Yup. There were at least 5 times he could've gone for the jugular and never did.

I especially loved the line "I have 5 boys and I learned that you can say something over and over and hope that it's true but that doesn't make it true."

Such a simple thing to diffuse all Obama had to do was to say "Are you calling your sons liars?"

That wouldn't have gone over well. Apparently his dig about the five seconds remaining didn't either. I recall seeing the independent voter tracker dip significantly when he said that.

 

[maharg]

That wouldn't have gone over well. Apparently his dig about the five seconds remaining didn't either. I recall seeing the independent voter tracker dip significantly when he said that.

I'd have been frustrated at getting called on time at that point after every rule had been broken countless times too. I'm sure it didn't play well but what can you do.

 

[speculawyer]

Romney would probably say that the economy is going to grow, thus providing more revenue for the government. The problem happens on Day Two when the mystical Romney Bump doesn't happen.

But how is the economy gonna grow? Even if you assume the magic tax_cuts=always_grow_economy (which isnt true), HE IS NOT EVEN CUTTING TAXES! He is just playing some revenue neutral shell game. I'll cut your rate but take away your deduction . . . no net change. Uh . . . so what does that accomplish?

 

[Axiology]

I really don't think this debate's gonna mean much in the long run, but I was definitely expecting a bloodbath from Obama and I gotta say, I was definitely disappointed. I really thought they would've rode the high from the DNC and pushed out stellar performance after stellar performance. Maybe he's just been overworked the last couple weeks. Also, it goes without saying that the whole thing was planned out horribly.

With some sort of buzzer or a way to mute mics it wouldn't have seemed so skewed in Romney's favor. I'll admit any high road superiority that Obama could've claimed by being civil and adhering to the time limits went away with the whole "5 seconds" exchange, but it just shows that 3 90-minute sessions aren't really enough direct contact for these two guys. Men who have been waiting to get at each others' throats since the summer.

Hopefully the next couple debates are much better executed.

Edit: Wait, flippymittens is LostVoyager!?

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[Wall]

Romney didn't really come across as confident to me for most of the debate. He actually seemed nervous and forced a lot of the time. I guess speaking quickly projects confidence to most people. For me it is the opposite. At least the way Romney does it. He just seems to me like a nervous used car salesmen trying to hide the defects in his product (no offense to car salesment- just trying to convey my message with a sterotype). Romney did seem to become more confident at the end of the debate when he moved to more general Republican themes and away from policy specifics, but that was only over the last third of the debate.

 

[flippymittens]

Right, that's fantasy. What will actually happen is the economy will march towards recovery as forecasts have predicted and it will be a validation of conservatism, so we'll get shit on for another 8 years like we saw in the Bush administration. This is a lot like thinking the 2010 Tea Party helped liberals instead of setting them back a couple years.

Its not fantasy, it is pragmatic and real... Where are the war protests during President Obama's term? Where was the protest of his continuation of the Bush tax cuts? Oh that is right, team blue right?

I'm not defending drone strikes or anything but life isn't that black and white. Plus with the stress of you know being the leader of the free world and all I think vacation time is warranted

70+ vacation days?
The hardest part about being President is getting elected... Only a few are even allowed on the debate stage of the thousands that apply.

I knew I recognized that point of view, had to dig through this thread, but yeah, I know your game. It's been called out before.

Listen LV, you may firmly believe that voting Mitt into office will be some sort of roundabout way to get people to champion more progressive views, but you'd be wrong. Mitt Romney will push hard right on everything that he is able to because that's the game he's been playing, that's the game of the people who are pushing him into office, and that's his belief structure. He said leaving Iraq was bad, he said that Russia is our #1 geopolitical foe, he for war with Iran, he's against the progression of gay rights, against increasing and for decreasing social programs, against women's rights.... the list goes fucking on and on.

You might hoot an holler that your not left wing enough president, who has to represent 300 million people off all political backgrounds, is voted out of office and finally, after four years of torture, we'd get an even worse man in office and the CHANGE WILL COME... But you'd be wrong. Instead, you'd have a man in office who would roll shit back and would push in the wrong direction.

If you want to fight against the President's record on signing the NDAA, drone attacks in foreign countries, extending the bush tax cuts (like a veto on the middle class exemptions would have been a good idea), etc. then do that. Vote Mitt, go for it. Feel proud of yourself. But's it's not going to push the country left. It will do quite the opposite, especially at a time when there's more corporate money in politics then ever before.

You think Mitt would sign off on a constitutional amendment to over turn citizens united? Or even go on record that is an option? I don't like things that the President has done in office, but I sure don't go and vote for the guy who's pushing for right wing movement in order to try and get people to fight against an expansion of the governments military involvement.




And you really think you could do better than Barack Obama at being President of the United States? Come on, dude. Come. On.

I disagree, it will bring the left out of the woodworks. A Mitt Romney Presidency would reignite progressives. Then maybe we can get a president who will actually be a progressive.
I did not just say I would be a better President but most of us would be... I am not exalting myself as some deity above the collective but condemning President Obama and past Presidents for selling out to special interests.

 

[Deified Data]

I myself am torn between voting third party and voting for Romney. Occasionally I think of voting for President Obama but I just think of the voters and the pseudo-liberals who turned a blind eye to his crypto-facsist and authoritarian regime.

If you're torn, it means you've already decided to vote third party.

A vote for Romney is literally wasted if you're actually inclined to do so. Gary Johnson could use your support.

 

[watershed]

I just got an email from the President saying "[name], I hope I made you proud out there explaining the vision we share for this country..." Brother, not fucking close. I feel like I should undonate to his campaign but in reality I will probably donate more in hopes that it will help his campaign overcome this poor debate performance.

 

[Angry Fork]

So you think the job is easy and most people could do a better job too?

What's so wrong about it? Wow.

No not that I was just referring to politicians being bought, not representing the people etc. stuff like that. I think when he says normal people can do a better job he just means on the basic levels of right and wrong, where we should know it's wrong to purposefully kill innocent people but Obama does it without issue via drones.

Whether it's justified or not for the sake of national security is unknown to us since we don't know what's going on behind the scenes but it is what it is and many people think nothing can justify it. He's likely being flippant and just venting about the fact that Obama does this stuff and nobody seems to care especially people who claim to be on the left.

 

[KevinRo]

I'd have been frustrated at getting called on time at that point after every rule had been broken countless times too. I'm sure it didn't play well but what can you do.

He was getting called on time because for most of the debate the President was the one always over time. Go watch the speech accumulation times for each person during the debate. Obama just spoke slow and timid.

 

[Jimothy]

I know I'm chicken little here, but this debate seriously made me reconsider my interest in politics. If someone can blatantly mislead and distort facts, and still come out in the lead just because he acts like a confident dick the whole night, our political system is just completely fucked. I'm still gonna vote, but man, I think I need a break from this shit.