Is GAF too strict?
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look, it's pretty simple. all rocks are stones, but not all stones are rocks. some stones actually pull their bootstraps up and learn to roll the way we all do. rocks will always be rocks, covered in mud and spreading moss around like trash they are. so when we say "rock" we don't mean all the stones, just the ones that act like rocks.
Uno Venova
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They're minerals.
ugh. here comes PC gaf to ruin the party.
Getting a little sick of GAF's increasing oreism.
Lionel Mandrake
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Rock puns?
Best thread on GAF confirmed.
Best thread on GAF confirmed.
Professor Beef
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CrudeDiatribe
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I thought puns were grounds for being stoned around here.
Eh, the boulder posters get away with it.
brianjones
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neogaf isnt strict enough imo
theres way too many posters here
theres way too many posters here
Wow.
I followed that whole exchange with a grin, but this one made me laugh. Well done.
freenudemacusers
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great news, that was the only thing holding me back.
The One Who Knocks
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I apologise for asking, as I'm quite sure that this is probably something that is asked in here regularly but unfortunately I don't have the time to go searching through the entire thread so I'm hoping nobody minds answering it.
In the FAQ, it states that "Late to the Party" threads will operate the same as before but as far as I can see, it doesn't actually state how they worked in the past. I presume that this is from when NeoGAF changed forums (I cannot be sure but regardless, it doesn't seem hugely relevant) and although I am aware how said threads are used I'm just curious as to:
When should a Late to the Party thread be posted?
For example, how do you know when, if catching up on a show/game/movie, to post a Late to the Party thread or to post in the official topic? I have gathered thus far that it seems to be when you feel that a significant number of users are about to return to a specific game. For example, in the Gaming Forum a few weeks ago there was an influx in "Metal Gear Solid LTTP" threads, ranging from one on the series to ine for Metal Gear Solid 3DS (I think there were three in total but I cannot remember the exact number). This was around the time that Ground Zeroes was announced. As a result, I think that because of the announcement of a new game, Late to the Party threads were created in the event that anybody else wished to play them.
Similar to the previous question, when should you use a Late to the Party thread as opposed to an OT?
Using the above instance (the influx of Metal Gear Solid LTTP threads), at the same time, there was an OT for MGS4 in the Community Section (for the trophy patch) and an OT for the HD Collection in the Community Section, all of which were quite active. Now, I am aware that in some instances a person catching up on the show/game/movie will post a thread while either in the middle of the piece of media or before starting it, the thread then being used to state their impressions of it as they progress continually through whatever it is they are catching up on. Furthermore, it allows people who are simultaneously catching up on the show to discuss the show with one another. However, often times a LTTP thread is not posted until the user has finished it, this too is something that I have also seen requested by users. This post for example: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=42802539&postcount=4 illustrates this. Then, another thing that varies between threads is that sometimes I have seen people comment with an inquiry as to why users who have not yet watched a show in its entirety enter a LTTP thread before they have finished it. To me, it seems as if the purpose of a LTTP thread varies wildly, and I have a difficult time figuring out when you should post in a LTTP thread, when you should post in the Official Topic and when you should even enter a LTTP thread (as in, should you enter it with the expectation that it is to catch up on something you might have missed and discuss it as you watch it with others who are simultaneously catching up or is it for people who have already finished it in its entirety to give their opinions on the entire series up to this point).
What is the difference between a Return to the Party thread and Late to the Party?
I gather by the name that a Return to the Party thread is designed for people who have already finished something to, as implied by the title, return/replay whatever it is that is being discussed. However, as stated previously, "often times a LTTP thread is not posted until the user has finished it, this too is something that I have also seen requested by users" which implies that those who are going to post in the thread would have already finished it. I'm hoping some clarification could be provided as a result.
Can you be banned for bumping a Late to the Party thread, if so, how do you identify an off-limit Late to the Party thread and as a result, decide that you should make another as opposed to post in a previous one or post in the Official Topic?
Using this thread as an example: (LttP: Six Feet Under): http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=29273838#post29273838 there is almost two years between the first post and the final post. To me, this implies that there isn't really a specific time limit at which Late to the Party threads expire as with other threads. At the same time however, I often see multiple Late to the Party on the same item. Bayonetta is an excellent example of this:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=426216
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=472653
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=432419
I cannot tell if this is just on the fault of the user not having searched the forums previously or if you are meant to post a LTTP thread if the previous one has become inactive. The Six Feet Under thread previously linked is a better example of where this confusion stems from as over a significant period of time bumps had occured as opposed to a new thread being made (although, in saying that, I do think there is another Six Feet Under LTTP thread so perhaps that isn't the best example).
I've bolded the question in each instance while provided the reason for asking in the paragraph that follows so it can be seen as to why I am curious about each individual question. I don't have a significant issue with how LTTP threads operate as it seems that the vast majority of users understand how to use them fine, it doesn't seem that there is any stringent rules on creatng them as there is with Official Topics for example, but I hope somebody doesn't mind clarifying the official rules (if there are any) related to them and the community rules (if there are no official rules governing their creation).
In the FAQ, it states that "Late to the Party" threads will operate the same as before but as far as I can see, it doesn't actually state how they worked in the past. I presume that this is from when NeoGAF changed forums (I cannot be sure but regardless, it doesn't seem hugely relevant) and although I am aware how said threads are used I'm just curious as to:
When should a Late to the Party thread be posted?
For example, how do you know when, if catching up on a show/game/movie, to post a Late to the Party thread or to post in the official topic? I have gathered thus far that it seems to be when you feel that a significant number of users are about to return to a specific game. For example, in the Gaming Forum a few weeks ago there was an influx in "Metal Gear Solid LTTP" threads, ranging from one on the series to ine for Metal Gear Solid 3DS (I think there were three in total but I cannot remember the exact number). This was around the time that Ground Zeroes was announced. As a result, I think that because of the announcement of a new game, Late to the Party threads were created in the event that anybody else wished to play them.
Similar to the previous question, when should you use a Late to the Party thread as opposed to an OT?
Using the above instance (the influx of Metal Gear Solid LTTP threads), at the same time, there was an OT for MGS4 in the Community Section (for the trophy patch) and an OT for the HD Collection in the Community Section, all of which were quite active. Now, I am aware that in some instances a person catching up on the show/game/movie will post a thread while either in the middle of the piece of media or before starting it, the thread then being used to state their impressions of it as they progress continually through whatever it is they are catching up on. Furthermore, it allows people who are simultaneously catching up on the show to discuss the show with one another. However, often times a LTTP thread is not posted until the user has finished it, this too is something that I have also seen requested by users. This post for example: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=42802539&postcount=4 illustrates this. Then, another thing that varies between threads is that sometimes I have seen people comment with an inquiry as to why users who have not yet watched a show in its entirety enter a LTTP thread before they have finished it. To me, it seems as if the purpose of a LTTP thread varies wildly, and I have a difficult time figuring out when you should post in a LTTP thread, when you should post in the Official Topic and when you should even enter a LTTP thread (as in, should you enter it with the expectation that it is to catch up on something you might have missed and discuss it as you watch it with others who are simultaneously catching up or is it for people who have already finished it in its entirety to give their opinions on the entire series up to this point).
What is the difference between a Return to the Party thread and Late to the Party?
I gather by the name that a Return to the Party thread is designed for people who have already finished something to, as implied by the title, return/replay whatever it is that is being discussed. However, as stated previously, "often times a LTTP thread is not posted until the user has finished it, this too is something that I have also seen requested by users" which implies that those who are going to post in the thread would have already finished it. I'm hoping some clarification could be provided as a result.
Can you be banned for bumping a Late to the Party thread, if so, how do you identify an off-limit Late to the Party thread and as a result, decide that you should make another as opposed to post in a previous one or post in the Official Topic?
Using this thread as an example: (LttP: Six Feet Under): http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=29273838#post29273838 there is almost two years between the first post and the final post. To me, this implies that there isn't really a specific time limit at which Late to the Party threads expire as with other threads. At the same time however, I often see multiple Late to the Party on the same item. Bayonetta is an excellent example of this:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=426216
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=472653
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=432419
I cannot tell if this is just on the fault of the user not having searched the forums previously or if you are meant to post a LTTP thread if the previous one has become inactive. The Six Feet Under thread previously linked is a better example of where this confusion stems from as over a significant period of time bumps had occured as opposed to a new thread being made (although, in saying that, I do think there is another Six Feet Under LTTP thread so perhaps that isn't the best example).
I've bolded the question in each instance while provided the reason for asking in the paragraph that follows so it can be seen as to why I am curious about each individual question. I don't have a significant issue with how LTTP threads operate as it seems that the vast majority of users understand how to use them fine, it doesn't seem that there is any stringent rules on creatng them as there is with Official Topics for example, but I hope somebody doesn't mind clarifying the official rules (if there are any) related to them and the community rules (if there are no official rules governing their creation).
I'm not a mod, but I can regurgitate previous answers to those questions since I'm way bored at work.
"When should a Late to the Party thread be posted?"
"Similar to the previous question, when should you use a Late to the Party thread as opposed to an OT? "
The first two questions share the same answer. I've read that LTTP threads are generally OK about six months after release, but really the content of your thread is what's important. If the OP is nothing but "So, I just bought this game, what should I expect?", don't bother posting it, but if you have actual substance and insight you want to share, no one is going to shut down your thread. Even if the OT is still somewhat active several months after release, you shouldn't hold back from posting a new thread as long as the content justifies it.
"What is the difference between a Return to the Party thread and Late to the Party?"
Return to the Party basically just means the thread creator is replaying a game. Late to the Party means they're playing it for the first time, or have just finished the game and want to discuss it. That's the extent of it.
"Can you be banned for bumping a Late to the Party thread, if so, how do you identify an off-limit Late to the Party thread and as a result, decide that you should make another as opposed to post in a previous one or post in the Official Topic?"
I've never seen anyone banned for that. Personally, I'd use search to see if a decent LTTP thread was posted within the last few months, but again, if I have enough to say about the game I'll just go ahead and make a new thread. There's no strict rule either way, don't over think it.
"When should a Late to the Party thread be posted?"
"Similar to the previous question, when should you use a Late to the Party thread as opposed to an OT? "
The first two questions share the same answer. I've read that LTTP threads are generally OK about six months after release, but really the content of your thread is what's important. If the OP is nothing but "So, I just bought this game, what should I expect?", don't bother posting it, but if you have actual substance and insight you want to share, no one is going to shut down your thread. Even if the OT is still somewhat active several months after release, you shouldn't hold back from posting a new thread as long as the content justifies it.
"What is the difference between a Return to the Party thread and Late to the Party?"
Return to the Party basically just means the thread creator is replaying a game. Late to the Party means they're playing it for the first time, or have just finished the game and want to discuss it. That's the extent of it.
"Can you be banned for bumping a Late to the Party thread, if so, how do you identify an off-limit Late to the Party thread and as a result, decide that you should make another as opposed to post in a previous one or post in the Official Topic?"
I've never seen anyone banned for that. Personally, I'd use search to see if a decent LTTP thread was posted within the last few months, but again, if I have enough to say about the game I'll just go ahead and make a new thread. There's no strict rule either way, don't over think it.
Steve Youngblood
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I'm not a mod, but I think you're overthinking this stuff just a little. As I understand it, an OT is applicable before a game's release. When it comes to a LTTP, if there's still an active thread for the game and it's relatively recent, post there. Otherwise, you're encouraged to reignite the conversation about the title with a LTTP thread that hopefully has some new insight about the title from a fresh perspective. A RTTP thread is appropriate if you can assume that most have already played it and the crux of the thread is to revisit the title with a different take given that it's not a first playthrough.
All in all, if you are posting in good faith and screw this up, you probably wouldn't see much in the way of punishment. First, you'd probably just have your thread locked if it's in violation. If it's especially egregious, maybe you'd have your thread posting privileges revoked. But I think you'd have to be particularly obnoxious to see any sort of ban from it.
Thanks for answering my question. I had always wondered what LTTP was. Up until now, I thought that it was Link To The Past since it's a video game related forum.
Hahaha
I think I went through several months wondering if that was what it meant, but not wanting to ask for fear of looking dumb.
That was the same with me and tl;dr. I had no idea what it meant.
Too late; doctor!
I thought SMH was just literally saying SMUH
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=494316
That seems like some really odd bans. The OP banned for saying "Whatever happens, happens." and another for saying it was an appropriate response for being a terrible crime. How is that ban worthy? Are bans just given to any opinion not liked? I'm genuinely wondering.
That seems like some really odd bans. The OP banned for saying "Whatever happens, happens." and another for saying it was an appropriate response for being a terrible crime. How is that ban worthy? Are bans just given to any opinion not liked? I'm genuinely wondering.
Steve Youngblood
Member
The implication was that she deserves to be raped in prison.
I've seen similar replies in tons of threads though. Some flat out saying they should be killed in prison. None of those were ever banned. I guess the difference was he was saying to put her in with all the guys she locked up?
I have personally banned people advocating prison rape of or vigilantism towards men in the past, so I know this is not accurate.
And no, you wouldn't.
Steve Youngblood
Member
Well, I can't accurately guess at specifics, but keep in mind that a lot of it depends on who sees it and when. Maybe some of the examples you are citing went unnoticed, or at least went unnoticed by the person who handed out the bans in the thread you linked.
Either way, regardless of whether or not I think such a thing generally gets a pass or not, I know I wouldn't promote such vigilantism here.
Yes. I always suspected this about you.
I probably phrased that poorly... What I mean is that there's a certain type of myopic, reactionary "mens' rights advocate" out there, and I wanted to be sure that comments about any form of rape are taken seriously enough that I could call them out without anyone thinking it's an overreaction.
Count Dookkake
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polyh3dron
Banned
If this was a dude and he said he should be locked up with the people whose lives he ruined and whatever happens, happens, I'm willing to bet no mod would've batted an eyelash.
I've always thought that kind of post was disgusting, and now I'm going to start PMing mods when I see it now that we know it's banworthy.
What does this actually mean on here?
Yeah, I just don't agree with you there. While I can't speak for every mod, I would have done the same thing in that scenario as Mumei did here.
cutmeamango
Banned
Eh, I don't think they need a hallway monitor for that. I've seen people banned for those kinds of posts for awhile now. I remember the PSN hack threads being littered with banned posters who made remarks about the Anonymous kids getting raped in prison.
Saying something that's against community guidelines and warrants a ban? Am I that naive to think that advocating vigilante justice in the form of rape or murder is kind of a common sense thing that doesn't need to be explicitly mentioned in the ToS?
Steve Youngblood
Member
I've always been taught that snitches get stitches. I'm not entirely sure what 'stitches' would imply in the context of an internet forum, but I don't want to find out!
Hoping for some threatening PMs. That'd be radical.
I've seen it go completely unnoticed in the OT often enough that I've grown kind of wary, but that's more of a thread visibility thing than anything else.
Ban imo.
Just saw that as a surprising ban as you wouldn't normally see it, at least I haven't. I don't know. What is banworthy is pretty much set in stone for the most part, but some of it is so fluid and random. For example, the "bitch" crusade from a month or so ago. Glad that one died out by the way.
T.M. MacReady
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yeah, i think we need to stop taking things so seriously on here. Personal attacks toward other members or truly offensive statements toward a group of people should not be tolerated, but its getting harder and harder to see where the line is lately.
I've seen plenty that were, no double standard, just confirmation bias.
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