SuperEpicMan
Banned
I thought it was just showing that young joe was beginning to loose his hair, to show sara that young joe and old joe were definitely the same person.
Looper (dir. Rian Johnson; Gordon-Levitt, Willis)
- Thread starter Expendable.
- Start date
- Status
No.
You aren't the first to say this, but they aren't the same person...at least according to what Rian has said about the flick
That would actually explain why they don't just kill the people and send them back.
definitely 100% no
I saw it merely as symbolism. joe liked it when his mom ran his hands through his hair, that's a generally motherly thing to do. joe spent his entire life feeling the pain of the absence of his mother. his one selfless act prevented someone else from feeling that same pain and he got one moment of comfort before dying. that was it.
crazy monkey
Banned
people are thinking too much. Nudity was not necessary so was the little sex scene. Other than that it was good.
Was I right on this:
Why "people" in the far-future wear those odd old-style hats:
Meaning of "Rainmaker":
Why "people" in the far-future wear those odd old-style hats:
Since Sid or "Rainmaker" (I'll get to that name in a second) is the head boss, he likely sets the tone for dress code and example; if you pay careful attention when young Sid is in his room, you can notice a poster in the background with a cowboy/robber on it with the exact same kind of hat.
Meaning of "Rainmaker":
My guess is mostly likely due to the machine that irrigates the farm, as seen earlier on in the movie. Probably just another childhood thing, like the hats, that Sid uses in the future since those few things are all he has of his childhood.
timetokill
Banned
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
I thought he's given the name 'Rainmaker' due to the
way he kills i.e. literally making rain with their blood.
by "people" do you mean people who are mob members? lol the way you put it it seems like you're implying they're not people. anyway yeah you'd have to assume that that's sorta their uniform.
and he's called the rainmaker because he turns people to rain. he obliterates their bodies and they spray all over. that's shown and I'm pretty sure confirmed in dialog in the film.
and he's called the rainmaker because he turns people to rain. he obliterates their bodies and they spray all over. that's shown and I'm pretty sure confirmed in dialog in the film.
I just said people so it didn't spoil anything, the group your referring to is indeed what I meant.
As for the rainmaker part, I see what you mean, but I don't think that's it. Could be wrong though.
but now
he won't grow up to even be a threat to Cid in the first place...see, they aren't really multiple timelines, it's one timeline that has a loop reiterating over it. at least, that's how I see it. and in the one timeline, Joe is dead and the cycle is broken. now things proceed linearly.
but it was in spoiler tags
and I'm definitely right, as are the other people who answered above. I feel like I even remember it going
Cid blows up Dillahunt's character into droplets of blood and flesh that fly up into the air and then "rain" down, then Young Joe says "...Rainmaker." him naming himself after an irrigation system would not make sense.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Yep. It was pretty obvious. Atleast to me.
i don't know
how anyone could walk away with the conclusion that cid was youngest joe.
cid was a tk freak. joe has no tk abilities at all. cid and joe exist in the same timeline. if cid was youngest joe, he wouldn't have been able to grow up into looper joe without going back in time to when he was a kid when abe found him. if cid became the rainmaker then he also couldn't be old joe because old joe gets sent back because of the rainmaker.
cid was a tk freak. joe has no tk abilities at all. cid and joe exist in the same timeline. if cid was youngest joe, he wouldn't have been able to grow up into looper joe without going back in time to when he was a kid when abe found him. if cid became the rainmaker then he also couldn't be old joe because old joe gets sent back because of the rainmaker.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
I enjoyed this a lot, particularly once I was told by the characters not think about the logic too much (although, notably, the people who say this all have the "fuzzy memory" effect, so it's literal to them).
I didn't understand why
And are spoiler tags needed now? Who would read this thread now, who doesn't want it spoiled?
I didn't understand why
we see Joe kill Old Joe, and then *not* kill him. WHat happened to cause that?
And are spoiler tags needed now? Who would read this thread now, who doesn't want it spoiled?
Old Joe, when he was Young Joe and killed his Old Joe (lol, what a sentence) obviously came from a non-Rainmaker future.
(due to his Old Joe coming from the Rainmaker future and knowing how to not get killed instantly when being sent back)
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
This film came out of left field for me. Completely awesome and completely enjoyable. I think it's tied with TDKR for my favorite movie of the year so far -- this is saying a lot because Batman is one of my favorite fictional characters.
Wait.
EDIT: Never mind. I know what you're saying; although, are we sure that
Wait.
Are you saying that Old Joe came from a non-Rainmaker future?
EDIT: Never mind. I know what you're saying; although, are we sure that
Young Joe's Old Joe's Old Joe didn't come from a non-Rainmaker future? Perhaps that Old Joe just failed.
Just came back from watching it again. Joe mentions that people get tagged when they kill in the future.
Nappuccino
Member
we see joe kill old joe, get old, become old joe, and get sent back in time. The difference, it seems, is that this joe fights off his attackers and goes back without his hood.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
Which is why I think young Joe was distracted and old Joe was able to fend off and take down his younger self when he was initially at a disadvantage.
Nappuccino
Member
Hot.
yeah... having anyone show up without a hood must have been very surprising and taken him aback.
Neffarias_Bredd
Member
awesome awesome movie...
So during the movie they mentioned that the rainmaker had a plastic jaw, and then at the end of the movie Sid gets shot in the jaw. Do you think this is a hint that he's going to become the rainmaker regardless of young joe's sacrifice? By the way I haven't listened to the directors commentary yet.
Just urban legends being spread around about him. They didn't even know if Rainmaker was a guy or a girl.
Wait a minute
If Young Joe killed Old Joe in the beginning of the movie then it means Old Joe never killed the woman, which means the kid won't become evil, which means his wife would never get killed, so there wouldn't be a need to go back in time
But that's just it,
Young Joe didn't kill Old Joe. Old Joe goes back in time to stop the kid from becoming the Rainmaker without realizing that the act of him going back in time to stop the Rainmaker is what creates the Rainmaker.
Neffarias_Bredd
Member
Doesn't that seem like a bit of a coincidence though?
why mention that particular thing and then show the young rainmaker getting shot in the jaw if not to make some sort of point?
no, because the rainmaker was created during old joe's timeline without his influence
no,
if young joe hadn't killed himself cid would have escaped with a broken jaw. and then he'd get a plastic one.
Nappuccino
Member
more likely, the kid would have gone evil without young joe's influence. but, by actually getting the two to meet the kid is actually getting off that path. In one time the kid's mother likely died via different circumstances (or her sister was killed by a looper and somehow he finds out... or something). In another time, Old Joe would have killed her also causing the Rainmaker path in the future. Joe puts a stop to both though.
Neffarias_Bredd
Member
but that didnt happen in Old Joe's storyline, where he never shot the rainmaker in the jaw but we still learn that he supposedly had a plastic jaw. Plus joe killed himself and sid escaped with a broken jaw anyway
in the timeline we saw, cid escaped with a broken jaw, but with his mother. I meant that he would have run away and lost his mom if young joe had not killed himself.
in old joe's timeline he hadn't killed the rainmaker because they're overlapping loops. he was going to go back and shoot at the rainmaker, which would cause his own problems. this is just the way I understand it. within the film I think it works quickly enough to sustain the thematic messages, which are what's actually important.
could cid still become the rainmaker? sure. it depends how much you believe in determinism and fatalism. film leaves it up to you.
in old joe's timeline he hadn't killed the rainmaker because they're overlapping loops. he was going to go back and shoot at the rainmaker, which would cause his own problems. this is just the way I understand it. within the film I think it works quickly enough to sustain the thematic messages, which are what's actually important.
could cid still become the rainmaker? sure. it depends how much you believe in determinism and fatalism. film leaves it up to you.
Neffarias_Bredd
Member
I think I get what you're saying. Rather than look at it from the perspective that Sid getting shot might might hint that he will become the rainmaker anyway, it was more a hint that he would have become the rainmaker if Joe hadn't killed himself.
But the loop is self propagating. Rainmaker creates variant Old Joe who creates the Rainmaker. This is a pretty common concept in time travel stories.
Breaking it down, Doctor Who style:
Wibbly Wobbly, Timey Wimey.
When can we go spoiler tags-free?
In Old Joe's timeline, Cid became the Rainmaker through a different set of events in his life. With Old Joe jumping back in time and saving Young Joe, he opened up an alternate set of events for Cid, where Young Joe encounters and befriends him. Because of what had transpired in this new alternate event (Cid finally coming to terms that Sara is his mother and he loves her), that sets him up to possibly avoid becoming the Rainmaker through Sara's mothering.
In the initial timeline, one would assume that Cid had always hated Sara and either killed her or had died, finally becoming the Rainmaker. He didn't have something or someone to talk to, to convince him about Sara. Sara had always been scared of him, and would back away, while he was buddies with Young Joe. Without Young Joe, there's nothing to help him and her.
Case in point: Young Joe and Cid talking underground about their pasts, and Cid vowing to protect Sara. Old Joe killing Sara would cause Cid to become resentful and wrought with guilt because he failed to protect her.
In the initial timeline, one would assume that Cid had always hated Sara and either killed her or had died, finally becoming the Rainmaker. He didn't have something or someone to talk to, to convince him about Sara. Sara had always been scared of him, and would back away, while he was buddies with Young Joe. Without Young Joe, there's nothing to help him and her.
Case in point: Young Joe and Cid talking underground about their pasts, and Cid vowing to protect Sara. Old Joe killing Sara would cause Cid to become resentful and wrought with guilt because he failed to protect her.
Wibbly Wobbly, Timey Wimey.
When can we go spoiler tags-free?
Random thoughts:
I know this has been said before, but I was strongly reminded of the 12 Monkeys.
All the scenes where the kid gets angry are hilarious.
This movie has that dreamy feel to it like Inception does. I guess all that time travel stuff was too much for me.
The mix of antique, modern day and super-futuristic tech blends into a somehow pleasing continuum.
Titties!!
I know this has been said before, but I was strongly reminded of the 12 Monkeys.
All the scenes where the kid gets angry are hilarious.
This movie has that dreamy feel to it like Inception does. I guess all that time travel stuff was too much for me.
The mix of antique, modern day and super-futuristic tech blends into a somehow pleasing continuum.
Titties!!
thezerofire
Banned
I really really want young Joe's jacket
Wasn't hyped at all for the movie and thought it was going to be raher bad but went to see it due to the positive word of mouth. So glad I did, really enjoyed the movie.
I kinda wih JGL and Bruce would have tried a bit harder to adapt eachother's quirk's though. JGL does try to imitate Bruce Willis' laughter but generally the way he walks and reacts in action scenes and his posture is slightly unique and it would have been nice to see Bruce adapt a tiny part of it in his character. But I guess that isn't such a big issue and can be explained with how old he is and all the experiences he has had.
I kinda wih JGL and Bruce would have tried a bit harder to adapt eachother's quirk's though. JGL does try to imitate Bruce Willis' laughter but generally the way he walks and reacts in action scenes and his posture is slightly unique and it would have been nice to see Bruce adapt a tiny part of it in his character. But I guess that isn't such a big issue and can be explained with how old he is and all the experiences he has had.
/slashfilmcast ep 202 - a long conversation with director/writer rian johnson
http://slashfilm.com/filmcast/
http://slashfilm.com/filmcast/
This "makes the most sense" to me, as inept as that statement is when talking about time travel.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
No, Rainmaker creates variant Old Joe who creates a timeline with Young Joe thinking he's averted the Rainmaker.
- Status