Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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Reality has a conservative bias.
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Reality has a conservative bias.
I totally agree, the news networks are afraid of the conservative echo chamber and being labeled as liberal. The post debate coverage on NPR was atrocious last night, the pundits went out of their way say it was a tie!
Pop-O-Matic
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I would like to know which reality you're talking about, since it obviously isn't the one the rest of the real world lives in.
Conservative reality. Which as it says seeks to limit the scope of reality.
Newton Crosby
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It's amazing that people can be so delusional.
I'm wondering when Bulbo will finally have his "Kosmo moment". He's very careful but bubble conservatives can't restrain it all the time.
Isn't gonna happen. Bulbo is trolling you. I mean, he's actually conservative and occasionally serious, but it cracks me up how many people take him seriously when he's obviously joking.
Kosmo was just...I mean, the fact that he came back as a junior in literally days should tell you something about his need for PoliGAF.
RustyNails
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Bulbo trolled you.
Paddy and you would not get along at all.
Deified Data
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You could definitely tell Mitt was pissed. He probably walked in that night thinking he'd have another debate handed to him. He was sorely mistaken.
RustyNails
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It's all about RATINGS.
Romney is polling bad? if its within margin of error by 0.01%, call it STATISTICAL DEAD HEAT. Did Romney throw a debate performance devoid of substance? call it ROMNEY WIN, because God knows we want to keep this race close. Did Obama manhandle Romney in the 2nd debate? Call it a TIE, because calling everything a tie/dead heat means more voters tune in and watch our crappy ads.
Sorry couldn't express it better, but I've noticed this rubber-banding effect with media where they will pull a downward candidate towards the winning candidate in order make the race seem close and exciting.
Newton Crosby
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Whatever, there are still people that think like that.
Deified Data
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It's his patented "pretend to smile but you're actually quite pissed" smile. More of a grimace, really.
Kosmo is the goddamn Joker and PoliGAF is his Batman. He cannot help himself.
Also that look on Mitt's face all night was golden :jnc
'Binders,' cooking and equal pay: Did Romney undo gains with women voters?
roflllll
Man...haven't heard the word "binders" since like middle school. Mitt Romney singlehandedly resurrected a term from the dead. It's hilarious
roflllll
Man...haven't heard the word "binders" since like middle school. Mitt Romney singlehandedly resurrected a term from the dead. It's hilarious
Yeah, that's the look Romney has all the time when things aren't going well for him but he can't leave -- the kind of grin you would wear if you had to sell encyclopedias at your son's funeral. That missionary smile is wearing with age.
From Reuters (backpat to Black Mamba):
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/17/us-usa-campaign-poll-ipsos-idUSBRE89G1JV20121017
Count it.
reuters said:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/17/us-usa-campaign-poll-ipsos-idUSBRE89G1JV20121017
Count it.
Maybe it's because I was a teacher, but I hear the word "binder" all the time. Binders of women, OTOH, I'd love to know where they sell those. PEACE.
Dunno, we should try asking Eliot Spitzer. I'm sure he has at least one.
What... do you call them?
Freezie KO
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I listened to the post-debate on NPR. A lot of outlets were declaring it a tie, if not a slight Obama win. Ron Elving on NPR called it a tie. He's a pretty solid commentator on "It's All Politics."
I thought Obama won, but I wouldn't say NPR was atrocious. NPR's "Political Junkie" today had Ken Rudin say that Obama made his case "a bit" better than Romney.
GAF is an echo chamber. When you step out of the "binders of women" vortex, you'll see a lot of people thought Romney won. If there's that much disagreement, it might as well be a tie.
We really won't know until we see if Obama made gains in prospective voters. At the very least, Obama energized the base (look at this thread.) And in an election where most people are strongly decided, that matters a lot.
radioheadrule83
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The Chinese investments / pensions thing seemed like a real illogical equivalence to me -- there's a difference between personally investing your resources and the incidental, indirect and non-democratised investments that your pension fund chooses to make. I personally wouldn't have known how to react to such a strange comparison, so Obama actually probably did well to make a joke of it..
I thought it was pretty disgusting the way Romney tried to politicise the Benghazi attack, but the fact he hadn't dared to try and implicate the government in causing it through some sort of failing, and instead verbalised some strange argument over what the administration said and how long they took to say it was even worse... not only was he wrong (boo Romney campaign fact checkers) but it's also just a shallow thing to try and make an issue of. It reminds me of that bit in Farenheit 9/11 where Michael Moore tries to make a huge thing out of George Bush spending 8 minutes waiting for further word from the 9/11 attacks and not alarming an audience of children -- except, well, more stupid. They called it an act of terror, and then when they realised there were revolts all over the world about the video they were more cautious about their language while investigations took place... what's not to understand there?
Anyway. Richard Dawkins has been chiming in on Mittens today. Ouch.
That's actually probably quite insulting to any resident creationists and Mormons, if we have any I apologise - don't shoot the messenger!
I thought it was pretty disgusting the way Romney tried to politicise the Benghazi attack, but the fact he hadn't dared to try and implicate the government in causing it through some sort of failing, and instead verbalised some strange argument over what the administration said and how long they took to say it was even worse... not only was he wrong (boo Romney campaign fact checkers) but it's also just a shallow thing to try and make an issue of. It reminds me of that bit in Farenheit 9/11 where Michael Moore tries to make a huge thing out of George Bush spending 8 minutes waiting for further word from the 9/11 attacks and not alarming an audience of children -- except, well, more stupid. They called it an act of terror, and then when they realised there were revolts all over the world about the video they were more cautious about their language while investigations took place... what's not to understand there?
Anyway. Richard Dawkins has been chiming in on Mittens today. Ouch.
That's actually probably quite insulting to any resident creationists and Mormons, if we have any I apologise - don't shoot the messenger!
PoweredBySoy
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What was that quote from a month or so ago, I think from a cable news anchor(?), that went something like "Mitt Romney is a corporatist trying to be a humanist acting like a robot...". That's not very close, but I remember the real quote just nailed him.
Stephen Colbert
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What I don't get is why Obama isn't pounding away at how much Mitt flip flopped on literally every single issue known to man.
Pell Grants, Tax cuts for the rich, immigration, hell...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyp2QIGejq4
there is a video like this for literally every single political issue known to man where Romney was on every side of every single issue. Why not make a series of ads about the etch-a-sketch candidate?
Sigh.
Online polls are bullshit, regardless of what they show.
I do think the vast majority of people saw this debate as an obama win, but not due to some online poll.
Pell Grants, Tax cuts for the rich, immigration, hell...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyp2QIGejq4
there is a video like this for literally every single political issue known to man where Romney was on every side of every single issue. Why not make a series of ads about the etch-a-sketch candidate?
Sigh.
Online polls are bullshit, regardless of what they show.
I do think the vast majority of people saw this debate as an obama win, but not due to some online poll.
NullPointer
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Dawkins gonna Dawkins. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_2xGIwQfik
ElectricBlue187
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trapper keepers, duh
...it's Ipsos. The national tracking poll? Treated with the same respect as Gallup? It's a scientific poll, not a website space-filler.
nhlducks35
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I watched the first 10 minutes because I missed it, and man, Romney says "I know what it takes" 4 times in like a 30 second span.
Mgoblue201
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I find it difficult to believe that anyone can construct a convincing argument for how Romney won that debate. His budget math is still fuzzy, he blatantly refused to answer one question (if his math didn't add up), he could barely differentiate himself from George Bush, he botched the Libya point, and the entire "binder" thing came across as tone deaf. His argument that Obama has presided over an awful four years was decent, yet superficial, because he's still trying to blame Obama for things that are outside the president's control. Yes, the debt has increased under Obama, but Romney didn't name a single thing Obama has done to increase it. Also, Romney blamed Obama for failing to pass a type of immigration reform in the first year that he himself doesn't even support.
Obama, on the other hand, hammered Romney on his budget math and often used Romney's own past words against him. Romney spent a good deal of time claiming that he would crack down on China. Yet in a single statement, Obama clearly refuted this by claiming that China has gradually stopped manipulating its currency as much. (Besides, who the hell actually thinks that a Romney administration would come down hard on China anyway?) Obama was generally good at refuting most of Romney's arguments, in fact. He was right that, based upon assessments at the time, GM wouldn't have been able to stay open without a government loan. He was right that gas prices were so low after he took office because we were in the middle of a recession. He also stole Romney's thunder on free trade by adding the enormous caveat that it must also protect American jobs.
I suppose it's hard for me to evaluate a debate on its own merits, because every time a candidate puts forth a bad argument, I can generally see through it. Romney's point that Reagan presided over a faster recovery was lame, because Reagan did not have to deal with a major financial crisis. Don't just take my word for it. Reinhart and Rogoff, experts on financial shocks, will say the same thing. I'm pretty sure that Romney had the last word on this subject, so it's not like Obama got the chance to respond.
ElectricBlue187
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That's actually probably quite insulting to any resident creationists and Mormons, if we have any I apologise - don't shoot the messenger!
this dude really needs to learn how to make a point without being shrill
Isn't he kinda dead?
BigJonsson
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I don't know, we just don't use them where I work I guess. Do people still use them at work? Like do they still use that three hole punch machine thing?
Deified Data
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This. He's just being mean-spirited. Does he hope to change people's minds by insulting them? Or is he trying to alienate people who might actually agree with him?
what's a kosmo moment?
No.
I was listening to NPR's replay of the debate and Romney's views on women came off worse to me than while watching live.
He basically stated that we will build such a robust economy that companies will even want to hire women. Meaning that he believes that companies prefer male employees (and he probably does as well) because they don't need that 'flexible' schedule to get home and cook and take care of the kids.
Its hard to believe he believes in equal pay with that kind of attitude. And its going to be real nice once all of these baby boomers go away with their outdated gender role views.
As for my views on the debate, I think Romney did well when he was attacking Obama, especially when that one audience member asked why should i give you another 4 years when the previosu 4 years sucked?
But when he talked about his actually policies, he was atrocious. Basically, you could boil it down to 5 point plan and i know how to get things done. His five point plan is crap and makes no sense, and just taking it on faith that you can get things done without the how is just silly.
I really dont understand people who say that Romney was more specific or that Obama lacks a clear plan for this country. Obama's plan is the same that it always was, and hopefully he will actually be able to implement it this time (get rid of the fillibuster, reid!) Romeny? Well, im sure we will found out his plan if he is elected
He basically stated that we will build such a robust economy that companies will even want to hire women. Meaning that he believes that companies prefer male employees (and he probably does as well) because they don't need that 'flexible' schedule to get home and cook and take care of the kids.
Its hard to believe he believes in equal pay with that kind of attitude. And its going to be real nice once all of these baby boomers go away with their outdated gender role views.
As for my views on the debate, I think Romney did well when he was attacking Obama, especially when that one audience member asked why should i give you another 4 years when the previosu 4 years sucked?
But when he talked about his actually policies, he was atrocious. Basically, you could boil it down to 5 point plan and i know how to get things done. His five point plan is crap and makes no sense, and just taking it on faith that you can get things done without the how is just silly.
I really dont understand people who say that Romney was more specific or that Obama lacks a clear plan for this country. Obama's plan is the same that it always was, and hopefully he will actually be able to implement it this time (get rid of the fillibuster, reid!) Romeny? Well, im sure we will found out his plan if he is elected
You're thinking of Christopher Hitchens
NullPointer
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I was pretty low after that first debate, but the turning point came when I realized two things:
1. Obama would listen to the criticism and bring his A game. Its what he does when the pressure is on.
2. We still had a few more weeks where Romney was going to speak. Words would leave his mouth and voters would hear them, and the media would repeat them, and distribute those words far and wide. The greatest threat to Romney's chances has always been Romney himself.
And that's an encouraging thought.
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Stephen Colbert
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Not when Obamas goals included cutting the deficit in half in the middle of such a massive recession, bringing unemployment below 6%, closing gitmo, immigration reform, middle east peace and ending the bipartisan bickering.
Plenty of Obama's goals were pixie dust too. I'm happy that he managed to atleast achieve most of the ones that weren't pixie dust.
and to be fair, a couple of Romney's plans are achievable and something he might actually pursue, increasing oil drilling on govt land, opening more free trade with Latin America.
Too bad most of his plans and promises are complete and utter bullshit, and the three that aren't wouldn't do jack shit.
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hydragonwarrior
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I'm sure it's because Obama was in the lead. Any drama or comebacks is always ratings gold.
When a Republican on GAF unwittingly blurts out what they really think and get banned because they've been in the bubble so long that they no longer recognize a statement that is highly offensive from something they believe to be obvious truth.
Fenderputty
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Agreed. I understand his point, but he lacks any class when he says this crap.
I personally believe that Bulbo is a much smarter Republican than Kosmo ever will be. I also think he's trolls pretty damn well. I suspect he's not as crazy right as Kosmo either.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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I think liberals SUCK.
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