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Those saying Dawkins is too harsh or shrill, how would you make the point that peope who follow Smith are ignorant?
Well I can't see the tweet but the idea that all Mormons are ignorant is ignorant. If Dawkins implied that than he overstepped.

Edit: I mean it's not only not intellectually defensible it actually damages the prospect of constructive dialogue and contributes to a poisonous polarised atmosphere. Much like the ridiculous regular mockery of "AllahuAkbar" on GAF.
 
The more I see of Tagg Romney, the more sure I am that the police are going to pull him over some day and find a dead woman and a shovel in his trunk.
 
There is all kinds of ridiculous shit he says. Like wanting the US to be energy independent, but keeps harping on the pipeline from Canada crap! Wat?

To be fair, he says "North America energy independent". I think the "make millions of jobs" vs. "government doesn't create jobs" is far more problematic.
 
In person, carefully, over a period of months.
You are a very patient person in the age of international communictaion.
I don't think so, though maybe it would help if you gave some reason why they are dangerous besides ugh religion
I didn't say 'ugh religion'. But nice way to interepret it. I would suggest anyone who is unable to determine the utility and likelyhood of scientific versus religious explanations for phenomena is dangerously unable to make reasoned decisions. I would suggest that anyone who continues to believe ideas that have been disproven is dangerous to teh advancement of humanity. This does not apply to all religious people, or all religions.
Dangerous to those who don't believe or don't believe in their God or dogma. trying to legislate their religious beliefs on many others who want choice in their personal lives and have been granted that choice in the constitution ... standin on a platform of "sanctity" that they feel allows them such an infringement.


Just because they will not pass a law to make Mormonism or Catholisism a state religion does not mean they won't pass a shit-ton of laws or executive orders that align with their doctrine imposing their rules on the rest of us.


Look at Bushes nonsense with Schiavo case and stem cell research and more or less setting science back 8 years in this country. He was even less dangerous than these two appear to be if you watched the primary and paid attention to anything Ryan said before he was picked for mate.
This too.
I got genital warts from one once.

Most importantly this though.
 
What if he had said this about Jews?

Since I try to avoid believing in superstitions, unfounded mythologies, and things that have been proven false, I would generally tend to agree with his stance... That said, you should be able to appreciate the differences between a religion that organically developed thousands of years ago in a time and place with relatively (very) poor education, and one that was invented recently, here in the US for the personal benefit of the leader.
 
I don't usually try to appreciate the differences or varieties of bigotry, Religious or otherwise.

Also, make sure to remind me if i do something for personal benefit, don't do something that will get you persecuted for the majority of your life eventually ending with your murder in prison.
 
If one of the goals is influencing public debate and public sentiment, face to face alone will not be very effective.

I have to admit that this is a pretty reasonable argument since I make it all the time. I again have to fall back on my earlier point -- there's getting rid of religion, and then there's getting rid of reactionary social positions. The two aren't inextricable. One is intrinsically important, the other is only considered important because you want to get the first one. So I think the correct course of action is pretty clear -- argue your points on the merits of human decency and morality, rather than on mocking an unrelated topic most people in the world take pretty seriously.
 
I don't usually try to appreciate the differences or varieties of bigotry, Religious or otherwise.

Also, make sure to remind me if i do something for personal benefit, don't do something that will get you persecuted for the majority of your life eventually ending with your murder in prison.

Bigotry, as I understand it, usually it refers to the intolerance of another's opinion. Being intolerant of someone's ignorance of the facts is a totally valid proposition. Just imagine where we would be if we called all the people correcting those who thought the world was flat bigots. I'm sure we all can agree that anything that impedes the transmission of facts is a detriment to us, right?

As to your last comment, there have been many people through out history who have gotten caught for committing a crime, and subsequently died while imprisoned. In the case of Smith, it's unfair to everyone that he died the way he did, rather than be properly found guilty of treason. However, this does not lend any credence to his virtue, and they were not martyrs.
 
Bigotry, as I understand it, usually it refers to the intolerance of another's opinion. Being intolerant of someone's ignorance of the facts is a totally valid proposition. Just imagine where we would be if we called all the people correcting those who thought the world was flat bigots. I'm sure we all can agree that anything that impedes the transmission of facts is a detriment to us, right?

Once again, what is your actual goal?

Also, maybe you could take this to another thread. Something like "Being shitty to religious people is great c/d" -- I suspect this would get a lot of traction.
 
To be fair, he says "North America energy independent". I think the "make millions of jobs" vs. "government doesn't create jobs" is far more problematic.

If he wants to use that weaselly trick then he needs to be more consist about saying "North" . . . some times he drops it.

And sadly, you full well know that even when he says "North America energy independent" many (if not most) people just hear "Energy Independence!"

It certainly makes me more comfortable from a national security perspective to be dependent on Canada but that does nothing for our trade imbalance and it is actually worse for the environment/atmosphere.
 
Once again, what is your actual goal?

Also, maybe you could take this to another thread. Something like "Being shitty to religious people is great c/d" -- I suspect this would get a lot of traction.

I will stop, sorry. I did not bring the Dawkins tweet to the topic, but since it was here, I figured it was fair to talk about it and the issues concerning whether it is bigotry or not.
 
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/cnn-candy-crowley-debate-criticism.php

Alleged CNN memo:

On why Obama got more time to speak, it should be noted that Candy and her commission producers tried to keep it even but that Obama went on longer largely because he speaks more slowly. We’re going to do a word count to see whether, as in Denver, Romney actually got more words in even if he talked for a shorter period of time.

I dunno about others, but in my day, you're judged on time, not word count. That's the first time I've heard of debates being moderated as such.
 
Obama wins on time, Romney wins on word count


The totals:

44 minutes, 4 seconds for Obama; and 40 minutes, 50 seconds for Romney.

But in number of words, it was Romney who came out ahead. He spoke 7,984 words - 478 words ahead of Obama, who spoke 7,506 words.


A CNN count found the same phenomenon at the first debate – Obama spoke longer, but said fewer words.

At that matchup, held October 3 in Denver, Obama spoke for 42 minutes, 50 seconds, nearly five minutes more than Romney, who spoke for 38 minutes, 32 seconds.

But the GOP nominee spoke 7,802 words at that first debate, 508 words more than the president. Obama spoke 7,294 words in Denver.
 
When a Republican on GAF unwittingly blurts out what they really think and get banned because they've been in the bubble so long that they no longer recognize a statement that is highly offensive from something they believe to be obvious truth.

What did he say to get banned? I missed it.
 
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I just love this.

The fact that they are crying about having a true fact be verified as true during the debate tells every voter pretty much all the need to know for this election.

If you vote for people who live in a make-believe world of their own choosing, you deserve whatever ill befalls you.


Edit: and of course the image is personally insulting to both Candy & Obama but that is to be expected.
 
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