krypt0nian
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CorvoSol knows what's what.
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Except the Marvel (word of god) hammers on about how they are a genetic offshoot and the next step in evolution. Reactivating the X-gene just kicks it off. So they are regarded as a species by Marvel. The forced mutancy is a valid point but going by his nature ,Scott is ok with it if it saves his species. It's about weighing what's more beneficial for his species. Guilt by association is stupid point to bring up because that can be used against EARTH'S MIGHTIEST HEROES and their ranks.
He got the phoenix power and didn't use it the way your beloved Jean did. yeah he didn't destroy planets, galaxies,universes etc.
Going Dark Phoenix was induced by the EARTH'S MIGHTIEST HEROES as well as the initial transformation.
Ruling the mutant race is the last thing on his mind. Restarting was his goal though.
I don't what you are on about. Holier than thou?
Your beloved Storm is more of an example for that. Cyke has no issue with blood on his hands nor does he pretend it makes "superior" to anyone.
Angelus Errare
Banned
I'm not a storm fan...well I like her but she's nowhere near my favorite character. And Cyclops is fine with blood on his hands as long as he's not doing the killing directly.
Just because I pointed out your favorite got his ass whipped by her twice, is just that...facts.
Just because I pointed out your favorite got his ass whipped by her twice, is just that...facts.
I thought you were an Ororo fan. or maybe it was plot armor BP
Supermanisdead
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CorvoSol, I don't think either of us will convince the other lol. Let's move on to better comics.
Why does Scott get to make that call? He just dumps it on all of them. Again, it's great for Scott and Magneto to talk high and mighty about Mutantkind when their mutations don't ruin their lives, but do you really think anyone would CHOOSE to look the Blob? And how about them Morlocks?
The same Jean who has twice saved the universe with the power of the Phoenix if not three times, given her actions in Endsong. No, Scott never blew up a planet, and he got DAMN lucky with that. You're fooling yourself if you really think that isn't EXACTLY how things would've ended if Scott had gotten his way.
Let's say the Avengers stepped back, let Scott have Hope and Hope have the Phoenix. What happens? Oh yeah, Scott forces people to be mutants, rules them the way Magneto always wanted, and reigns uncontested for maybe a week until Hope gets dumped, goes Dark Phoenix and hey, eats OUR SUN. That's how it was going to end. That's how it ALWAYS ends. The only person who's ever escaped that is Rachel.
But let's gloss over the fact that even before he was Dark Phoenix, Scott was already using its power to conquer Earth. Surely that's not a sign of how much he was lusting for power. I mean the fact that Scott DID try to take over the world and DID attack Wakanda definitely isn't a sign of what he was planning on doing with the Phoenix. Nope. Not at all.
Avengers or not there was going to be a Dark Phoenix event. Scott was heading toward a break down all on his lonesome, and then Emma goes and sleeps with Namor. Because who didn't see that the woman who was willing to have mental sex with a married man would then be willing to turn around and do that with another man? Here's why I keep mentioning that Scott was with Namor, Emma, and Magneto: when crap hits the fan, what have Namor, Emma, and Magneto historically done? Oh yeah, run away. What did they do when Scott was arrested? Oh yeah, ran away. What was going to happen when the Avengers rallied enough force to fight the Phoenix Five (and with their connections you can bet they were going to)? Oh yeah, Emma, Namor and Magneto were going to abandon Scott. They were ALWAYS going to abandon him, and Scott could never have handled the Phoenix alone. He was heading for Dark Phoenix the minute Wanda said No More Mutants, and, giving him the biggest benefit of the doubt, when Schism occurred.
Are you sure of that? Scott wanted more Mutants and control of a Mutant who would be a living nuclear weapon. He associated with Namor and Magneto, who both have had aspirations for conquest. He set out immediately on a path of conquest after getting the Phoenix, and yes, by aiding countries and therefore violating their sovereignty, he most definitely was doing that. Scott set up a nation for mutants, set out to populate it, set himself up as the leader of it, and went after the weapon he needed to protect it and conveniently his own regime.
Scott fell, and he fell HARD. Tony's side in Civil War would've had SO MUCH more to go with if AvX had happened first, because this entire scenario is THE reason super heroes and mutants are rightly feared in the Marvel Universe. Scott obtained a power beyond even the local Gods and used it to set himself up as a world power. How are people going to treat mutants now? I couldn't blame them, for the first time in years I couldn't blame them for hating mutantkind, super humans, and telepaths in particular.
Fucking Doctor DOOM has never even done something like this. That's how far Scott crossed the line.
CYCLOPS.
WAS.
WRONG.
Batman Beyond was great, and the artwork in Hawkeye is amazing. Truth or truest truth?
Angelus Errare
Banned
Clearly not going to convince each other, but just know.
Cyclops is wrong.
Corvo knows what's up.
Though I'd like to edit one thing Corvo, Hope wouldn't be able to jump start the mutant population without Wanda, they made sure to make that a point in issue 12. So there wouldn't be anymore mutants regardless. If the Phoenix Force was capable of doing it by itself...Cyclops and Co would have already done it.
I like BP because he's Marvel's Batman. But other than that I have no real favorite. Closest I can think of is Spider Man, but even then I'd be lying a bit if I said he was my favorite.
And it's not plot armor, it's prep time!! lol.
Cyclops is wrong.
Corvo knows what's up.Though I'd like to edit one thing Corvo, Hope wouldn't be able to jump start the mutant population without Wanda, they made sure to make that a point in issue 12. So there wouldn't be anymore mutants regardless. If the Phoenix Force was capable of doing it by itself...Cyclops and Co would have already done it.
I like BP because he's Marvel's Batman. But other than that I have no real favorite. Closest I can think of is Spider Man, but even then I'd be lying a bit if I said he was my favorite.
And it's not plot armor, it's prep time!! lol.
The Take Out Bandit
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Where's my Magneto was right shirt?! >:|
Is there a reading order to the Alan Davis Clandestine annuals from this past year or can they be read in any order?
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
That doesn't make sense on marvels part. If wanda was to say no more domesticated dogs, they wouldn't turn back into wolves. Mutants are an anomaly coopted by the celestials, not some sort of natural evolution. New mutants keep getting born, but they aren't an evolutionary marvel, but a randomised crapshoot that doesn't activate until one hits puberty. Hell, the abilities are random within family lines. Evolution may be random, but not like that.
Angelus Errare
Banned
The Take Out Bandit
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Well back in the day there wasn't a whole hell of a lot of mutant family trees.
It is getting a bit silly how predictable this random abnormality has become.
Oh and my Cavewoman idea is finally congealing. :3
I need to write this shit down yo!
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
Where do secondary mutations come up in nature, and in singular beings? And what's the purpose of giving beings the ability to control fire or become rock people, or blob hermans, or the multitude of fucked up shit that happens to random people? How can it be called evolution with no catalyst, or no reason or need to evolve? Faster, stronger, smarter, better eyesight, that's understandable. But wings, ice powers, molecular control or magnetism? What need would humans have for those?
Clearly not going to convince each other, but just know.
Cyclops is wrong.
Though I'd like to edit one thing Corvo, Hope wouldn't be able to jump start the mutant population without Wanda, they made sure to make that a point in issue 12. So there wouldn't be anymore mutants regardless. If the Phoenix Force was capable of doing it by itself...Cyclops and Co would have already done it.
I like BP because he's Marvel's Batman. But other than that I have no real favorite. Closest I can think of is Spider Man, but even then I'd be lying a bit if I said he was my favorite.
And it's not plot armor, it's prep time!! lol.
"Hey Hope, I'm sorry I raised you for a destiny that was impossible. Your entire purpose in life was all a mistake on my part. Sorry about that."
That'd go over SO WELL.
Is it just Hope who can't do it, then? Because Jean!Phoenix has done a lot heavier lifting than that.
Angelus Errare
Banned
No clue, they just really kept hammering the point that it was a Hope and Wanda collaboration and that Hope needed Wanda to do it. I'll assume it's because Wanda was the one who initially got rid of mutants. So she had to be the one to help bring them back.
That and it took the everything that happened in this event for Hope to realise she needs to relinquish the power. So just imagine if Hope got Phoenix Force without intervention...
Shit would be hilarious, they need to do a What If story showing Hope pretty much either ruling the planet or the planet being no more.
evil solrac v3.0
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come to the DC universe Marvel mutants. you won't be looked at as a freak here, you will be loved as heroes here.
Was? I think you mean IS great. Needs longer chapters more often though. Shit constantly gets real in that book.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
no they wont. theyll bring the marvel angst with them. its the most powerful weapon marvel has against dc visitors.
holy shit, just finished Hickman's Fantastic Four/FF. really good stuff. goes on the list:
morrison's new x-men
whedon's astonishing x-men
remender's uncanny x-force
hickman's fantastic four
bendis's daredevil
the immortal iron fist
black panther - see wakanda and die
dr strange - the oath
what are your marvel top-tier, consistent, relatively self contained, completed arcs? i'm going to read planet hulk and punisher max next.
morrison's new x-men
whedon's astonishing x-men
remender's uncanny x-force
hickman's fantastic four
bendis's daredevil
the immortal iron fist
black panther - see wakanda and die
dr strange - the oath
what are your marvel top-tier, consistent, relatively self contained, completed arcs? i'm going to read planet hulk and punisher max next.
Tizoc
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Check out Mark Waid's Dardevil run...and his F4 run too, both are great. His DD run didn't feature any AvX cross-over or such in it either.
Speaking of AvX, A-Babies vs. X-Babies was too good, best AvX book I've read...and I've not even read the blasted event.
That seems like a reasonable assessment.
In fact most Ultimate versions of heroes seem to be more right wing.
Brubaker and Winter Soldier. Under rated. Definitely check it out.
The Take Out Bandit
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Because superhero comics about persons with 11 fingers, growth defects, and other deformities wouldn't be as interesting a read?
That's for the indie guys:
But Skin wasn't a superhero comic.
take that up with the marvel life sciences committee. But they keep insisting on how people with an X-gene are a species so the entire argument of Corvo's is moot.
he made the call of restarting his species over what some mutant outliers would feel. Scott's lifelong mission has been safeguarding the existence of his kind. It is less about being conditioned for and thrust into a leadership position and less about lording over mutants and humans as a dictator. Anyone reading the X-books can see that but you keep bringing up ridiculous points to the contrary. There was no compulsion for the mutants to ever follow him.
A lot of this post is just speculation. Funnily enough Scott had the most semblance of control out of the P5
Tony Stark and his side would have more ammo for his Civil war because he was responsible for the mess created ?
CYCLOPS.
WAS.
RIGHT.
Also Jean ain't coming back any time soon.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Cyclops was right. Anyone who disagrees is wrong. If they had just listened to the mothafucka from the very beginning none of this would have happen. That's really the long and short of it.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
They also said civil war would be an even event. what they say isnt always true
tbh both sides behaved irrationally in the lead up but we wouldn't have a summer event otherwise.
slightconfuse
Banned
Pak and van Lente's incredible Herc run.
never said it made sense. I gave up trying to rationalize comic book science a long time ago.
Damn, I definitely need to get on Uncanny X-Force if its comparable to those other runs.
BuddyJoeHooker
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CYCLOPS.
SHOT.
FIRST.
He decided that it wasn't worth talking about, so he shot at Cap. Cap extended his hand, he wanted to talk this out. Cyclops didn't want to explain because he knew it was a weak argument. All the Kun'lun stuff that happened was necessary, even if Marvel pulled it out of their butts.
Also Jean will be back. Got to come up with a name for Past Jean.
and cap was spoiling for a fight. Talk this out ? It was his way or the highway.
Jean should stay dead.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Still doesn't change who shot first. It's like saying Rihanna MADE Chris Brown punch her with her WORDS!
Cyclops was wrong yo.
TheKaeptain
Banned
The best defense in a fight is knocking the other person out before they realize what is happening.
The Take Out Bandit
Member
Are you saying Cap should have club punched Cyclops?
"BITCH, YOU DON'T KNOW WHO I AM!"
no one was going to budge . how do you think it was gonna end ?
Doublesith
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You know who actually was DEAD WRONG? Wolverine. If that asshole has actually succeeded in killing Hope, there would be no Earth left. He should be in jail right alongside Cyke and Wanda.
BuddyJoeHooker
Member
It's going to turn out that they were from an alternate timeline, Jean stays so the rest don't have to go through her phoenix saga. Then they'll age her with something and Jean will be back.
last thing comics need is more timeline nonsense with the Summers-Grey caln
Parallax
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Nope. You know who's really wrong? Magneto. If he hadn't broke th final straw left in wandas brain with his manipulative bullshit, she wouldn't have snapped and BONGED the mutants. Scott wouldn't have kicked out the depowered kids, and stryker wouldn't have been able to wipe them all out, and start up this preservation mindset that scott has had for the last few years. This is max' fault.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Apparently with Cyclops throwing the first blow yo.
But like I said without Wanda, and Hope being trained by her and in part Iron Fist; everything would have unarguably went to shit anyways. And somehow I doubt Cyclops would have been rational enough to actually let Wanda help.
Doublesith
Member
Also responsible for the mess? CABLE. He specifically warned Scott not to let the Avengers take Hope.
always gonna result in a fight yo.
no one at Marvel has a clue how Wanda works.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Not if Cyclops wasn't so against working with Avengers yo.
Well in a way Cable was right. Cyclops had the idea but not the pieces needed. Avengers had the pieces needed, but not the idea.
If Avengers would have never interfered then Wanda wouldn't be part of the equation, which in turn meant Hope wouldn't have had the training needed nor would she and Wanda be able to repower the mutants. So the Avengers fighting the X-Men was ultimately necessary for this to work.
Well in a way Cable was right. Cyclops had the idea but not the pieces needed. Avengers had the pieces needed, but not the idea.
If Avengers would have never interfered then Wanda wouldn't be part of the equation, which in turn meant Hope wouldn't have had the training needed nor would she and Wanda be able to repower the mutants. So the Avengers fighting the X-Men was ultimately necessary for this to work.
This too, if he hadn't told Scott future stuff who knows how this would have went. I doubt Scott would have said no to mystical kung fu training.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
Time for the what if with multiple outcomes like with civil war, where we find out that if they had worked together things would have worked out.
Working together ALWAYS seems to be the solution. I have no idea why they don't just have each other on speed dial at this point.
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