darkressurection
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I believe he mentioned somewhere that he didn't get to play as much as he would have liked before he had to leave for the Black Ops 2 review event.
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I believe he mentioned somewhere that he didn't get to play as much as he would have liked before he had to leave for the Black Ops 2 review event.
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Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Well, I noted that he hasn't hid his feelings on it, but he also hasn't officially added his name to the metacritic list. I don't give a shit about metacritic, but his opinion on the game would be one of the few dissenting views (most of the reviews call it the best Kinect game). And it's strange that until now the previous entries were reviewed properly, but now this one isn't? This isn't the first time GB has been late with reviews or outright quit in the middle of them, but, again, I wouldn't have looked at it in this light before all of this journalism stuff came up. It's an interesting topic to me now.
Antiwhippy
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Well, yes, it is strange, but he also very explicitly said that he didn't have time to fully evaluate it before needing to attend the BLOPS 2 review event, like I said. So it's really up to you to trust his reasoning or call foul to something else.
chris121580
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I love how so many people are throwing out these stupid conspiracy theories especially about Dance Central 3. If you think they're doing shady shit, stop going to their site. Real simple solution and then we don't have to read your non-sense in this thread
This. If you don't trust any reviewers over them eating crappy pizzas or having to deal with travel hassles just to sit in a boring conference room to see a game don't read reviews period end of story.
Yeah, okay, I'm convinced: Brad knows what the fuck he's doing. Wrap it up people, we're done here.
I haven't played dance central 3, so take this for what it's worth... and I don't even know if this is "fair" to Jeff or whatever...
If you played a game that you knew to be good (like you've played it before and it was fine), and everyone else says it's good too, but when you played it your controller didn't work... is it a problem with the game? or a problem with the controller?
How do you write an honest review in that case? You could say: "Here's the experience I had with it: Not so great! However, kinect is a broken POS".Which is what they said on the podcast, and which I think is what he would write if he choose to. But at that point are you reviewing the game or the hardware? And there's all kinds of other factors to consider. Like some people have already mentioned, having time to write a review for a game that most people have already made up their mind on, or just don't care about.
Also, he may be feeling like he doesn't want to screw over the people who made the game when it's the hardware that's causing the issues. Is that unethical?
The conspiracy theories are just as stupid as your response to them. If there's something worth discussing then why not discus it?
If you played a game that you knew to be good (like you've played it before and it was fine), and everyone else says it's good too, but when you played it your controller didn't work... is it a problem with the game? or a problem with the controller?
How do you write an honest review in that case? You could say: "Here's the experience I had with it: Not so great! However, kinect is a broken POS".Which is what they said on the podcast, and which I think is what he would write if he choose to. But at that point are you reviewing the game or the hardware? And there's all kinds of other factors to consider. Like some people have already mentioned, having time to write a review for a game that most people have already made up their mind on, or just don't care about.
Also, he may be feeling like he doesn't want to screw over the people who made the game when it's the hardware that's causing the issues. Is that unethical?
The conspiracy theories are just as stupid as your response to them. If there's something worth discussing then why not discus it?
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He gave RE6 a 2/5, when it's by all accounts a 1 on the scale. Whoooooooa.
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Check out the MOH ql, EA sent them 2 pizzas with patch notes inside the boxes along with a review copy of MOH:Warfighter.
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I for one trust every single member of the GB crew and have zero issue with any of the things people are foaming over right now. I guess it's because I have followed them during their Gamespot days and the trust has grown slowly and on a strong foundation or maybe it's because I have a reasonable amount of trust towards everyone (until they screw up). Even Patrick who came out of nowhere (to me) has shown nothing but reason after reason for me to trust him to be fair.
I don't think there's really much else to be said. Alot of more important games came out around DC3, and Jeff just didn't play it all that much. They've constantly said that reviews have to be timely, so at this point another review of the game wouldn't really help much. In the most recent bombcast he said once he got his Kinect issues ironed out it was working fine anyways.
Hot Coldman
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I think it's fair to say everyone who thinks GB deserves criticism for their DC3/Double Fine/whatever coverage doesn't really pay attention to the site. I see where some of them are coming from, but I just think, "You wouldn't be saying this if you actively followed the site". And seeing as the site is designed to be actively followed, kinda makes any complaints seem pretty daft.
Yeah, I meant the middle of your scale, but I had forgotten about the lowest score possible being 1/5, not 0/5. My mistake!
Yeah, I meant the middle of your scale, but I had forgotten about the lowest score possible being 1/5, not 0/5. My mistake!
TheBaronOfNA
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Dude, outside metacritic scale or mixed feelings about their relationship wih Harmonix... It truly matters a review of Dance Central 3 from them? You already had Jeff opinion (mixed even for a Kinect game) and logical reason of why don't do a review (no time, triple AAA games in the horizon).
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Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
We're just having a conversation man. Next time I'll be sure to ask your permission first.
I pay attention to the site. Maybe not as much as I used to since last year, but I've been with Jeff, Brad, and Ryan for..geezus since each of them got into gaming websites at their respective times. Clearly I enjoy their content and their personalities. That doesn't mean I can't bring up a topic that now piques my interest.
Doesn't matter to me at all. I think Kinect is a joke. I'm simply discussing something I (and another poster in the journalism thread) noticed and felt like discussing it. I don't buy the excuse of "push aside this game for this MUCH more important game" though. Granted, GB makes it very clear they review what they want and that's usually stuff that interests them, it doesn't mean I can't ask a question as to what happened in this situation. If they respond, great, if not, great.
Foliorum Viridum
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I thought all of this stuff was covered ages ago when conspiracy theories about Bastion were thrown around.
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Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Just to clarify, I stated in the beginning this wasn't a conspiracy theory or some sort of accusation. With the current topics being discussed in "gaming journalism", I saw an interesting thing in this one situation and decided to probe a bit. The GB defense force does not need to mobilized, hell I'm one of them. As for Bastion, they eliminated themselves from reviewing the game, which is exactly what they should do. What's the issue?
Hot Coldman
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Didn't say you can't! I just feel that, well, I'll bring it back to what Patrick said this week:
I would imagine the rest of the staff would agree with that sentiment. I think if you feel like you need to question why Jeff isn't reviewing Dance Central 3 beyond what he has already said on the podcast and across the site, then that's not a sign you particularly trust him. I'm sure you enjoy the content and their personalities but enjoyment and trust ain't one and the same, and I feel if you don't trust Jeff enough to take him by his existing words, why would you trust any other answer he gives?
If the lack of trust is due to them crossing a line RE: writer/developer relationships that you can't get down with, that's perfectly OK, but that's a conflict of beliefs, not necessarily a sign of potential corruption that must be clarified. So that's why I feel the criticism is misguided. If this is even criticism at all- I'm not perfectly sure what your point is here, to be honest.
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Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Jeff could tell me he takes money on the side from Microsoft and gets his dick sucked by Activision booth babes and I'd still "trust" him. I'm asking a question about an interesting topic. That's all.
Antiwhippy
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Thing is, we've answered it, and Jeff has said his reasoning for it, so the only topic really is if you trust it or if you think there's something else behind it.
Foliorum Viridum
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Go back and read the posts from that time, it was retarded. So many people saying they were giving the game an "unfair advantage" (that's an actual quote I can remember - I still have no fucking idea what it means!)
I'm not saying you're a conspiracy theorist, nor do I want to be seen as a defense force because I'm probably one of the most critical in this thread at times
Just seems that four years in we shouldn't need a convo about how credible these guys are!Hot Coldman
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Yeah, this, I'm fairly certain this whole "why no DC3 review" thing is a open-and-closed case.
TheBaronOfNA
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If you just want to validate your opinion, journos already consider Kinect a joke.
Because they had never do that before... Right.
But it seems you already have your own Anwser.
I had the same experience with Fable that Jeff has been having with DC3: You're playing what seems like a pretty good game, except for the part where it refuses to function properly most of the time you're playing it. When you can no longer tell if it's the game or the hardware at fault, it makes you reluctant to blame one or the other, because how can you know for sure?
Reviewing games is far from an exact science to begin with, and when you throw an unreliable controller into the mix it becomes very difficult to fairly evaluate a game with the level of authority embodied by a scored review. At the end of my first full day with Fable I was so incensed with the whole situation that I was ready to march into the office Monday morning and declare I was never reviewing another Kinect game again, because it wasn't fair to the games if I couldn't evaluate them purely on their own merits. But then I spent the rest of the weekend experimenting with different lighting conditions and finally got the game working reliably. The review I delivered was applicable to the ideal version of the game I spent most of my time with, but the mess I played on day one was (as stated in the review) no better than Steel Battalion.
All this is to say I fully understand why Jeff didn't go ahead with a review, because when you're so consistently unable to experience the full breadth of the game despite your best efforts, it moves beyond frustration into a sort of paralyzing helplessness that totally destroys any further attempt at thoughtful criticism.
Fuck I hate the Kinect.
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Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Much thanks for the response.
Probably no need to get super defensive about it, especially when the guy who brought it up was completely civil and level headed. There's a happy medium in the argument between the extremes of thinking they are 'doing shady shit' and the 'Giantbomb is exempt from critique or criticism' stance you are taking here.
I'm guessing it's been brought up multiple times in the thread already though, hence the aggressive response. One guy was harping on about it constantly in the actual Eurogamer thread about the piece in question and it started getting pretty grating, especially when he kept asserting Jeff wasn't reviewing the game because it was viewed by the gaming public as a terrible game in comparisons to the others he reviewed favourably; this being despite the fact the game is actually the best rated of the series on Metacritic.
Hot Coldman
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Sometimes I feel like the only reason there's any Kinect coverage at all is because of Vinny. And John Drake.
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Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
I would def they rather did Vita games than Kinect. Or non Nintendo 3ds games.
The continued lack of Vita capture hardware frustrates the shit out of us, I promise. Even if we're not all the biggest fans of the platform (though it finally seems to be on the cusp of a second wind), we'd still much rather cover it properly than not.
I'm pretty sure by now the only reason they still do Kinect coverage is because it makes for funny videos.
Hot Coldman
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It's a bigger shame, what with Liberation out so soon. But Sony gonna be Sony. :/
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Yeah I do keep in mind what a pain that must be. I'm just hoping AC gets looked at. I don't even like AC but that game looks nice.
Antiwhippy
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What's VLR?
darkressurection
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Speaking of sub-optimal capture conditions Brad, have you guys thought about what you ware gonna do with the Wii U? Obviously getting the main screen feed is easy since it is just HDMI, but how are you gonna handle the Gamepad screen? Over the shoulder camera seems like it would be okay for games that aren't too dependent on the Gamepad screen to showcase.
Also, and this is just something I am interested in, how are you guys feeling about the Wii U in general? We are a few weeks out, surely Nintendo will get consoles to you guys soonish. What is the general feeling about it around the office?
Edit^ Virtue's Last Reward, which is the sequel to 999 which I believe Patrick ordered a copy of to play through before he plays VLR.
Also, and this is just something I am interested in, how are you guys feeling about the Wii U in general? We are a few weeks out, surely Nintendo will get consoles to you guys soonish. What is the general feeling about it around the office?
Edit^ Virtue's Last Reward, which is the sequel to 999 which I believe Patrick ordered a copy of to play through before he plays VLR.
Virtue's Last Reward, the 999 sequel
Cerebral Assassin
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Nintendo have capture kits for the Gamepad(they were showing the gamepad footage on TV screens during their E3 conference), I assume they will get those out to the sites at some point.
WrenchNinja
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These capture devices have to exist right? Like I dont know how this stuff works but how are they doing trailers at all. I see Gametrailers having to record off screen for their reviews and Im wondering why the heck Sony hasnt sent sites some kind of capture device? This lack of coverage is not helping the vita at alland the only one to blame is Sony.
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darkressurection
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Yeah, but at least for launch and a couple of months after I would bet those things will be scarce. Also, depending on the actual role the Gamepad takes in the gameplay, that might not even be adequate. Particularly for things that use the motion sensors on the pad and things like that.
Haunted
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Box quote right there.
Dark Schala
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No, but they should do a throwback or something if Patrick gets it and decides to play through it.
Sure is. Vita & 3DS. I finished it yesterday/this morning on Vita. It's in the running for my GotY.
Ahahahahaha!
That's coming out on vita?
Blah, I'm too out of date with handheld stuff.
And 3DS, but I'm getting the Vita version, slight graphical betterness... and I want to play Persona 4
Die Squirrel Die
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Given how desparately they need to keep the profile of the system up the continued lack of any way for the gaming press to capture direct feed from the Vita is quite the cock up on Sony's part.
Heh, "second wind"? Why do you say that? Because Ryan finally bought and you finally want one?
I'm not saying this as an ardent Vita defender, by the way. While I like the system and am glad I have one, I don't see this second wind, and think it's still in deep shit.
Cerebral Assassin
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I can't remember how long it took for 3DS capture kits to go out, but I don't remember any "over the shoulder" QLs, so unless they need special Wii U devices I would hope Nintendo would be pretty quick getting them out.
darkressurection
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Well the 3DS came out here on March 27th 2011 and their first 3DS QL was Ocarina of Time on June 17th. So almost 3 months without capture equipment, although strangely enough there is a month gap between the OoT QL and the next set of 3DS QLs so I almost wonder if Nintendo actually just lent them one for the OoT QL and that they didn't actually get their own until the end of July 2011.
Speaking of games GB didn't review, how come they haven't done any for The Walking Dead series? Patrick's up to date with them right? And Ryan and Vinny are playing them as well? It's unfortunate because it's one of the best games of the year and it deserves as much coverage as possible. Hopefully it features in one or two of their top 10 games for the year.
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