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I enjoyed the Most Wanted/Stark Rebooted arc, that had momentum. But he's managed to make both Mandarin, Tony, and Stane boring in this recent way too long arc. It was the kinda story that could have been told in like 5-6 issues max, not the hojillion its taken.

Maybe Gillen can write an interesting enough Iron Man perhaps even challenging his partner with a storyline that see's Stark get in shit for copying someone else's tech or bluntly just header every script page "Greg Land you Hack Cunt"
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The Take Out Bandit said:
Fritchman is pretty terrible.

At some point I'll need to Kirkman test his ass, meaning - read Casanova to see if his passion project is better than his work for hire projects.

Sadly the Kirkman test also failed for Kirkman. Invincible is just a shitty Spiderman redux with tones of Savage Dragon. :D
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Am I the only person who see shades of DBZ all throughout Invincible?
 
What are the release dates for the marvel NOW books in November? I tried marvels website and various solicitations but I don't see any dates

Also question about ipads, I read alot of comics on my ipad 2 and im wondering for those of you who have seen the difference is there a big improvement when reading them on a retina display ipad? thinking of trading for an ipad 4.
 
The Take Out Bandit said:
Fritchman is pretty terrible.

At some point I'll need to Kirkman test his ass, meaning - read Casanova to see if his passion project is better than his work for hire projects.
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Casanova is an absolutely grandiose multiversal mindfuck of sex, super-spies and pop-culture. It's Fraction and his cohorts taking the craft of comics and making sweet dirty love to it.

It also features many of the tricks he, Aja and Hollingsworth would later use to great effect in Hawkeye, and that thing's already an instant fucking classic, so you know that's quality.

Also, Defenders. It fucking rules. Fuck y'all for not buying it.

Point is, when he's not doing the big "hey look it's just like the movie" big hero titles, Fraction is pretty fucking good. (I'm not really counting Fear Itself because it's a Marvel event and really, anyone can fuck up those, just ask Bendis)
 
1. Didn't Land do a really bad trace where Iron man is having a heart attack or something?

2. I'm ashamed to admit I still think his Dark Phoenix cover for Endsong was wicked sweet.
 
Anticitizen One said:
What are the release dates for the marvel NOW books in November? I tried marvels website and various solicitations but I don't see any dates

Also question about ipads, I read alot of comics on my ipad 2 and im wondering for those of you who have seen the difference is there a big improvement when reading them on a retina display ipad? thinking of trading for an ipad 4.
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Marvel's site has a calendar. Don't know how complete it is (for example, I thought ANXM was double-shipped?) but here's the schedule for November:

11/07
All New X-Men #1
Deadpool #1
Iron Man #1
Uncanny Avengers #2 (pushed back to 11/21 according to Bleeding Cool)

11/14
Fantastic Four #1
Journey Into Mystery #646
Thor God of Thunder #1
X-Men Legacy #1

11/21
Captain America #1
Indestructible Hulk #1
Iron Man #2

11/28
FF #1
Thor God of Thunder #2
 
B-Dubs said:
I'm willing to try it consider the writer, but considering the last Iron Man run didn't turn out so good....
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My iron man experience so far is extremis, v1 of fraction, ultimate armor wars, and the RDJ films. At this point I can't imagine an iron man plot that isn't an armor wars-style plot or some similar arms race. I don't mean that literally, I'm sure I could make something up, but it feels like that's all that exists.
 
I want to thank everyone who recommended me reading Hickman's Fantastic Four run. I'm in the middle of it now and loving it. I've never read anything by him before and I'm amazed at how good and "out there" his ideas are. Maybe I'm off base but he reminds me of a more grounded Grant Morrison-still has the big ideas, but with none of the convolution.
 
Been a slow couple weeks for floppies so I been reading:

New X-Men, just finished "Imperial" this shit is so god damned mother fucking awesome but getting SOOOO tired of the revolving door artists, especially cause even when the "good" artists are on it I still don't like the art.

Finished Busiek's Avengers Assembled (based on Comic GAF recommendation from a while ago) this is great too. Perez's art is boner fuel and I'm getting a very epic/heroic vibe from this comic like Morrison's JLA (which is from around the same era IIRC) only with characters I actually like. Helps that I don't know a good god damned thing about Avengers history so I have literally no clue where all this is leading to, like the SW/Wonder Man stuff. Why does it seem like EVERYBODY and their grandma has so much baggage and so many hang ups about being an Avenger though lol. Cap can't keep this fucking team together for more than a single issue and it's making me laugh that he's so accepting of people flaking out on Avenger duty because they're bored, or scared of their powers, or just PMSing for the day or whatever. Grow some fucking nads, Cap! Gonna get some more of this run.

Gillen's Journey Into Mystery. Been in my pile of shame for a year and I'm sad I'm just now getting to it now that it's over. I typically don't give a shit about anything that has to do with Asgard and the fact that it starts off with a Fear Itself tie in certainly isn't helping but I love the writing, I love the funny/witty touches, I love Kid Loki's scheming (I don't really know the deets about how FI wrapped up in the series proper, but Loki definitely seems like an unsung hero) and I love Volstagg, his fat ass wife and their cadre of crotch spawn. That issue was super great.

Trying to burn through these so I can get to Hickman's FF. Been a while since I burned through a big run (Johns' GL from Rebirth to Blackest Night was the last one I tackled) instead of just a pile of weeklies, and now doing three at once... It's all very trying to my ADHD addled mind.
 
MDavis360 said:
I want to thank everyone who recommended me reading Hickman's Fantastic Four run. I'm in the middle of it now and loving it. I've never read anything by him before and I'm amazed at how good and "out there" his ideas are. Maybe I'm off base but he reminds me of a more grounded Grant Morrison-still has the big ideas, but with none of the convolution.
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Yep!

It's why Hickman is good and Morrison can stick to navel gazing, doping, and holding self aggrandizing "conventions". :D

Such a shame because 90's Morrison was some powerful shit. Oh well.
 
MDavis360 said:
I want to thank everyone who recommended me reading Hickman's Fantastic Four run. I'm in the middle of it now and loving it. I've never read anything by him before and I'm amazed at how good and "out there" his ideas are. Maybe I'm off base but he reminds me of a more grounded Grant Morrison-still has the big ideas, but with none of the convolution.
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Yea, Hickman really is the perfect writer for something like the Fantastic Four. He's got the out there ideas, yet they are grounded. For me the FF is all about the crazy science adventures and the family dynamic and I think he nails both perfectly. Part of me wishes he could keep writing it, but I can't wait for his Avengers run.

fredrancour said:
My iron man experience so far is extremis, v1 of fraction, ultimate armor wars, and the RDJ films. At this point I can't imagine an iron man plot that isn't an armor wars-style plot or some similar arms race. I don't mean that literally, I'm sure I could make something up, but it feels like that's all that exists.
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I think part of the problem there is that the stories aren't personal enough. (I mean in what I've read in Fraction's run before I dropped it) If you've got a genius with a super suit that can do almost everything, well then it's just boring. It's like if you gave Batman the powers of Superman, there's no way he'd ever lose and it takes away all of the tension. The stakes were never high enough, or personal enough, from what I've read. Tony has no real faults, yea he's a dick and a recovering alcoholic, but he's still brilliant with a suit that can do anything.

In Hickman's FF the stakes went to these insane levels, to points where you thought they'd never survive. It was just insane. In Fraction's Iron Man? It's kinda dull in comparison. You always know Tony's gonna win.
 
B-Dubs said:
Yea, Hickman really is the perfect writer for something like the Fantastic Four. He's got the out there ideas, yet they are grounded. For me the FF is all about the crazy science adventures and the family dynamic and I think he nails both perfectly. Part of me wishes he could keep writing it, but I can't wait for his Avengers run.
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There are entire issues in the run where I've thought "Well, this was pointless.". And then 5 issues later, I'm all like "Holy Shit". Brilliant the way he had all this mapped out. Genius!
 
The Take Out Bandit said:
Only read the first Omnibus. Didn't need to go back, but is it really DBZ level - "Oh god, make something happen already, please?"



Tried the first two issues.

They were terrible.

Such a shame, because I liked to line-up. :\
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No i mean their are story elements that are direct rips.
Omni-Man is goku and invincible is gohan. So his father was sent to destroy/conquer the earth causes thats what his species does cause they are the most powerful fighters ever. Lately his father figured out Mark's human gene's means he has more potential than pure Viltrumite's and he keeps trying to help his son become stronger even though (up until this Depowered Mark last arc) Omni-man was still stronger.

Conquest = Nappa

The Emperor = Vegeta

there are other more vague comparisons but those are the clear rips for me.
 
So did anybody read the final issue of Fraction's Iron Man? I think it leads into GotG, because Tony
goes into space to do some soul searching after being manipulated by the Mandarin and held captive for 6 months. And not just for a little trip, he makes it out like he's gonna be gone a while
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Looking forward to Winter Soldier this week, don't know why but I enjoy the hell out of it. So glad Brubaker brought back Bucky.
 
krypt0nian said:
Gets my vote for best Marvel run in years. So their best book.
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while i still say its close between UXF, Hickmans Run on FF4/FF, DD and JiM....

JiM has a special place in my heart and has been the most fun in years ive had with any comic. I got a soft spot for the villain and kid Loki is one of the best. So i have no problem agreeing with those other books being close seconds.
 
DonasaurusRex said:
while i still say its close between UXF, Hickmans Run on FF4/FF, DD and JiM....

JiM has a special place in my heart and has been the most fun in years ive had with any comic. I got a soft spot for the villain and kid Loki is one of the best. So i have no problem agreeing with those other books being close seconds.
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I agree except maybe Daredevil, which is a really fun book but doesn't come up to the others in terms of a complete run. I've personally enjoyed Parker's Red Hulk more.
 
I'm only 2 trades into JiM but it sure don't seem like it's gonna get better than UXF...
 
I guess I don't really want heart out of my comics.
 
Er, I should say NEED heart. I'm certainly ok with it. Also you're trying to say UXF doesn't have heart? I'd argue that it had heart since the first arc and it the heart has been growing since then. All the relationships and sacrifices made in UXF scream heart to me. I think UXF is more than just a really well plotted book. It does a lot for those characters. Way more than I would think possible in a book about a bunch of murderers.
 
LiQuid! said:
Er, I should say NEED heart. I'm certainly ok with it. Also you're trying to say UXF doesn't have heart? I'd argue that it had heart since the first arc and it the heart has been growing since then. All the relationships and sacrifices made in UXF scream heart to me. I think UXF is more than just a really well plotted book. It does a lot for those characters. Way more than I would think possible in a book about a bunch of murderers.
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I'm ok with it too as it's one of my favorite runs.
 
What I liked about UXF and the entire concept was that this would actually happen if the Marvel verse was a thing. There would be no way the less boy scout mutants would allow some of these guys to live. Wolverine isn't Batman. It's time they made a book that actually showed that some of these guys would have no qualm about offing racists who blowup a school bus of former mutant kids.
 
So a friend and I were discussing which X-Men deserves better treatment within the comics, and somehow we've come to a weird agreement on Emma Frost of all people.

She's had some problems in her life that like most people stem from her upbringing and neglect, but we agreed that she geninuely cares about the children...which is weird given how self absorbed she is. And I know a few self absorbed people...they definitely don't give a fuck about anyone else lol. She's fallen a few times (the whole Jean/Phoenix thing). But I think she has potential to be more than this I'm better than you mentality (which I admit at times I like).

I think she's hindered by both her own perception of herself and everyone else's perception of her and she thinks she has to conform to that else she has nowhere else to go/has to go back to Hellfire. I think in this coming year she's going to have a truly life altering moment in which she realizes how much she has yet to grow.

That and she'll probably dump Scott.
 
Angelus Errare said:
So a friend and I were discussing which X-Men deserves better treatment within the comics, and somehow we've come to a weird agreement on Emma Frost of all people.

She's had some problems in her life that like most people stem from her upbringing and neglect, but we agreed that she geninuely cares about the children...which is weird given how self absorbed she is. And I know a few self absorbed people...they definitely don't give a fuck about anyone else lol. She's fallen a few times (the whole Jean/Phoenix thing). But I think she has potential to be more than this I'm better than you mentality (which I admit at times I like).

I think she's hindered by both her own perception of herself and everyone else's perception of her and she thinks she has to conform to that else she has nowhere else to go/has to go back to Hellfire. I think in this coming year she's going to have a truly life altering moment in which she realizes how much she has yet to grow.

That and she'll probably dump Scott.
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I agree with everything but the last part. He'll have a similar journey and they'll wind up having some kind of freaky baby with crazy-ass powers.
 
Anticitizen One said:
Im at the final arc of JMS's Thor Run. Gillen's starts immediatly after right? He took over the main book and launched JiM?
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Pretty much, yes.

When Gillen took over Thor, he kind of had to end JMS's story arc and tie in with all the Siege stuff, and while he did okay it doesn't read all that evenly (and JiM itself is far, far better).
If I were trying to get someone to read JiM I'd generally tell them to skip it, but if you've been reading JMS you'll most likely want to for story reasons and such.
There is an Ultimate Collection that collects the lot though (Thor #604-614, New Mutants #11 and Siege: Loki) if that makes it easier :)

JiM comes after the Siege: Loki oneshot, followed by the conceit that you can avoid reading Loki's reappearance in Fraction's Thor (#616-619?) by telling yourself "And then Loki reappears!" and then start with Journey Into Mystery itself (issue 622).
(I mean, you could read Fracton's Thor if you really wanted to but personally I didn't think it was very good)

In trades there's:
Fear Itself: Journey Into Mystery [#622-626]
Journey Into Mystery: Fear Itself Fallout [#626.1, 627-631]
Journey Into Mystery: Terrorism Myth [#632-636]
Journey Into Mystery/New Mutants: Exiled [Exiled #1, JiM #637-638, New Mutants #42-43]
Journey Into Mystery: The Manchester Gods [#639-641, The Mighty Thor Annual #1] (Due out in December)
The Mighty Thor/Journey Into Mystery: Everything Burns [JiM #642-645, Mighty Thor #18-22] (Due out in January)

And then!
Young Avengers #1, starting January 23rd ;)
 
Anticitizen One said:
Im at the final arc of JMS's Thor Run. Gillen's starts immediatly after right? He took over the main book and launched JiM?
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IIRC Gillen wrote Thor until Siege happened then Fraction had a short run. Thor was relaunched as Journey into Mystery with Gillen at the helm and Fraction started writing The Mighty Thor.

EDIT: Ephidel says it far more eloquently than me.
 
Haha, Ruby Summers. I totally forgot about her. That was just a joke from Peter David right, he didn't actually do anything with her... Right?
 
I was thinking of picking up the first Fraction Iron Man omni but this thread doesn't make it seem like it is a good run for my first Iron Man reading experience. :/
 
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