Square Enix Member Survey-What qualities do you like most about Lightning?
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MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Final Fantasy: EPIC of GILGAMESH
The game that will never be made.
I made a crap fan trailer though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FpK4pwnj9s
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
LOL, what?
Square only had four mainline female main characters, Terra (FF6), Yuna (FF10-2), Serah (FF13-2) and Lightning (FF13). In each game they had to share the spotlight with male characters and had reduced roles compared to final fantasy male leads like Cloud, Squall, and Tidus.
What SquareEnix needs is a GOOD female lead, not someone like Lightning. I would prefer a game with a lead with a personality of Tifa or Ashe that actually is the central character instead of being a supporting character that is the face of the game like said four female characters.
lunarworks
Member
Because we all know that focus groups and surveys produce the best games.
Elginer
Member
Ding ding ding. Hate everything about her but her looks. She's a hollow shell that for some damn reason Square will not let go. Please, let it go already.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
You know a character is bad when ExDeath or the Warrior of Light has more character.
SniperHunter
Banned
. agreed
BladeoftheImmortal
Member
DAT ass
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Go figure. I was about to give them a piece of my mind until I realized that they could possibly nuke my Square-Enix Members account.
Yuna.
Or Celes, at least in the last half.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I nominate Rem from Type 0 as strongest heroine. I am bias.
RealDeadOne
Member
A few weeks ago I got a little over halfway through FFXIII before getting distracted by XCOM and Dishonored and other games.
I found myself really liking Lightning throughout what I played. I was always rooting for her and choosing her as my party leader. I hated Snow just like she did.
Then, at some point, I actually stopped and started thinking, "what exactly do I even like about this character?". I couldn't think of any answers except "she's cool and harsh" and "she looks awesome". In the twenty hours I'd known her, she had taken a total of zero steps toward any kind of character change, I still had trouble remembering what her motive was, and she was still acting like an asshole to these people she had been through so much with.
I generally love Renegade Shepard type characters like Lightning, so I really, really want to like Lightning. But Square never gives you real reasons to like her, there's nothing that makes her a character and not just an archetype.
Lightning's failing as a character is the opposite of someone like Vanille or Snow early on, where you definitely don't want to like them, but they have enough genuine character that you can choose to either like them or hate them, like a real person. Lightning draws you in with her mystery and toughness (and looks, let's be honest) but never does anything to you once you're drawn in. She's a character I desperately want to like as a person, but she never does anything a person would do, and so I just don't care about her at all, and that's the worst thing a character can be.
It's the fact that I really don't care about Lightning or what happens to her that is one of the main reasons I got so easily distracted by other games.
I found myself really liking Lightning throughout what I played. I was always rooting for her and choosing her as my party leader. I hated Snow just like she did.
Then, at some point, I actually stopped and started thinking, "what exactly do I even like about this character?". I couldn't think of any answers except "she's cool and harsh" and "she looks awesome". In the twenty hours I'd known her, she had taken a total of zero steps toward any kind of character change, I still had trouble remembering what her motive was, and she was still acting like an asshole to these people she had been through so much with.
I generally love Renegade Shepard type characters like Lightning, so I really, really want to like Lightning. But Square never gives you real reasons to like her, there's nothing that makes her a character and not just an archetype.
Lightning's failing as a character is the opposite of someone like Vanille or Snow early on, where you definitely don't want to like them, but they have enough genuine character that you can choose to either like them or hate them, like a real person. Lightning draws you in with her mystery and toughness (and looks, let's be honest) but never does anything to you once you're drawn in. She's a character I desperately want to like as a person, but she never does anything a person would do, and so I just don't care about her at all, and that's the worst thing a character can be.
It's the fact that I really don't care about Lightning or what happens to her that is one of the main reasons I got so easily distracted by other games.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Well when her character development regarding her parent's death was elegantly told in a manner of "I messed up" clearly she deserves to be cared about.
I prefer a brutal sword impaling by GILGAMESH but that's me
Nocturno999
Member
She is one of SE's more aesthetically pleasing characters but her personality is one of the worst. Hated her in Dissidia Duodecim.
TacticalFox88
Banned
Da faq?
^ Well, almost the best female character for me. I think Yuna is tied with Lightning up there.
Squall by a landslide. Cool design but I hate his character. Actually, I don't care much for any of FFVIII's cast of characters in hindsight except for Zell and Selphie.
Now Lightning on the other hand, she is a cool and attractive individual that lays down the whoopass. She isn't an asshole like Squall either. Also, she got those Warrior Goddess powers. Overall, she's like a Japanese interpretation of the awesome Xena the Warrior Princess. Impossible for me to hate her but I understand why a few might not like her.
Squall by a landslide. Cool design but I hate his character. Actually, I don't care much for any of FFVIII's cast of characters in hindsight except for Zell and Selphie.
Now Lightning on the other hand, she is a cool and attractive individual that lays down the whoopass. She isn't an asshole like Squall either. Also, she got those Warrior Goddess powers. Overall, she's like a Japanese interpretation of the awesome Xena the Warrior Princess. Impossible for me to hate her but I understand why a few might not like her.
Shalashaska161
Member
Lightning has a character? I mean, I've played 2 games with her so far and I still couldnt tell you what her personality traits are.
Best female? Not even close.
I liked Paine too. Feel like one of the few who does. 
Only Yuna is in Lightning's league of goodness as a character.
Only Yuna is in Lightning's league of goodness as a character.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I liked Paine too. Feel like one of the few who does.
Only Yuna is in Lightning's league of goodness as a character.
I prefer Agrias Oaks.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
God, they're using the same damn logic that SEGA did for
When I first played FFX-2 when I was 15 or so my mom came to watch the OP and really liked Paine's hair.I liked Paine too. Feel like one of the few who does.
Funny story: When I was watching Advent Children, my mom saw Kadaj's hair and remarked that she "liked that woman's hairstyle", lol.
bigdaddygamebot
Member
SquarEnix - no fucking clue
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to tentacle sex Lighting and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
(Today, 09:50 AM)
Lain said:
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... HAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahaHAHAHAHA. Oh, wait, you're serious? Let me laugh even harder.
Someone obviously hasn't played Parasite Eve 1/2 and then had Square take a humongous dump on their face with their best female/strong-leading-lady character after a decade of waiting. >:I
As for Square asking about Light: I like the fact that... uh... um... she's female... I guess? She really has no redeeming qualities and I honestly wanted to like her in the run-up to FF13. But after playing that, she's just kinda "dead/flat" in the character department.
I like Agrias too. She reminds me of Saber Arturia (from the Fate/stay night series), or rather, Saber Arturia reminds me of her.
Who?
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Shadow. They brought him back from the dead in Sonic Heroes because people resonated with the character so much, and then gave him his own game called "Shadow the Hedgehog" which played differently from some other Sonic games because you now had access to guns and crap... and you had different ending to pursue, etc.
The few qualities that I did like about Lightning wouldn't even matter to SE anyway. They'd probably respond with 'hey that's great, but isn't she a badass?!?! You love that she's a badass, right?!?'. Blah.
It's crazy to think that when Lightning Returns releases, she'll either have leading roles or major appearances in FIVE Final Fantasy titles on store shelves. That's bonkers.
It's crazy to think that when Lightning Returns releases, she'll either have leading roles or major appearances in FIVE Final Fantasy titles on store shelves. That's bonkers.
Ohhh.....
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....ohhhhh I see where you are going with this.
Trying to say Lightning is SE's Shadow huh?
kunonabi
Member
Techincally, they didn't really dump all over Aya. It just looked like they did for like 98% of the game. Damn, 3rd Birthday was such shit.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I think they want Lightning to be the next GILGAMESH and become a recurring character in the lamest way possible.
Announce the return of Aya Brea, play as Eve the whole game.
durrrrrrrrrr
Member
yo brofist. a lot happened to her so Light was a bit of a bitch, but then she realized that it was her own insecurities making her lash out so she mellowed out. totally agree that she's the best Square female.
TacticalFox88
Banned
Lightning best female character created by square? WAT!?
That would be Ashe from FFXII
Fuck the haters.
That would be Ashe from FFXII
Fuck the haters.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
It follows such a similar formula that I can't help but to laugh to myself and draw comparisons to both Poochie and Shadow.Ohhh.....
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....ohhhhh I see where you are going with this.
Trying to say Lightning is SE's Shadow huh?
God, Parasite Eve 1 was so good. Aya was fantastic.
FFX HD.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I am saddened by it's Toriyama induced decay.
I can't think of a female character from FF games I liked more so yeah, she's the best.
As someone who actually (kind of) liked the last ten hours of FFXIII, I'm still struggling to think of a defining character trait for Lightning. She is a stern expression with legs. For some characters in fiction this works, because they become a cipher for the viewer to enter (see: Indiana Jones and The Man with No Name), but Lightning is just... blank.
Fran, Ashe, Agrias, Lucca, Schala, Faris. I could go on, but these characters actually show emotion, are cool, are useful to the plot beyond being a Mary Sue or a main romantic interest, and exhibit development that actually engages the player. I wish I could say the same for Lightning, but maybe I'm missing something, or maybe it's just different strokes.
Fran, Ashe, Agrias, Lucca, Schala, Faris. I could go on, but these characters actually show emotion, are cool, are useful to the plot beyond being a Mary Sue or a main romantic interest, and exhibit development that actually engages the player. I wish I could say the same for Lightning, but maybe I'm missing something, or maybe it's just different strokes.
Well, she is one of the hotter ones with that tight mini skirt.
It sucks that they wont show any of the negative comments on the site as I'm sure there would be more positive ones. I guess I got more faith in their character than they do.
God, Parasite Eve 1 was so good. Aya was fantastic.
FFX HD.
You like Aya Brea too? You good people.
Joe Molotov
Member
But she's not a mom though, how does that work??
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