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Lonely1 said:
Fundamentals of psychology? As a new discipline, psychology was founded over a lot of misconceptions and early guesses. I will keep putting betting in psychiatry. Identify trauma? I don't want a false memory inserted.
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Psychology has, literally, thousands of years on psychiatry.
 
Douglas Quaid said:
Thanks, Bagels, my initial post may have been a bit dramatic and exaggerated.

Yes, depression has a genetic factor, and has a neuro-biological corollary, and causes physical changes in the brain. Indeed this bio-physiological component is real! Yes, the fact that medication helps you feel like yourself and helps you cope with your problems is REAL. Apologies if my initial post seemed simplistically life-negating and derogatory. I agree with you, medications and therapy are the best approach! (I was saying this with my last sentence, "Drugs are best used conjunctively.")

Like, drugs are good as a springboard to help a brother out, but not as a crutch, because if you use drugs as a crutch you're not really diving into the reason that your brain chemistry got fucked up in the first place (chances are it was due to early childhood trauma, and yes, it could be just biological genetic mutation, but I want to argue that the probability that most people's mental illnesses are based on chemical imbalances is far slimmer than the drug companies want you to believe). I also want to bring up the studies that suggest that anti-depressants may be no more effective than placebo.

My point is that the initial methodology of psychology was to identify trauma and help the patient heal from it. In our quick-fix modern "efficiency-fetish" corporate interest dominated era, I think it is useful to question the prescription of powerful psychotropic drugs as a primary means to deal with psychological trauma. In the 1960s sedatives such as phenobarbital were used to deal with people with "nervous-disorders", and yet, now-a-days, we realize that this method was a method of overt repression of the actual symptoms.

So, the basics of my point are that the psychological methods of dealing with trauma are ways to heal underlying difficulties and integrate them into one's psyche, and the psychiatric methods of using drugs to attempt to balance so-called "chemical-imbalances" can be helpful in order to induce a sort of baseline so that one can work more efficiently towards integration.
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Thanks for clearing that up! We disagree to the degree to which medications are useful (or what percentage of the mentally ill will benefit from them), but it sounds like we're on the same page. I talk about psychopharmacology more because it's my area of interest, but I try not to come across as just pushing pills for everything (though I probably do).

I just thought you were a member of "suck it up and cheer up!" GAF, who are villains.

Thanks for the reasoned response to my snark.
 
If nothing else, my epic Bagel-side chat [thanks, strobogo!] with Piano has brought Pectus-GAF out of the shadows. :/
 
For the record, I'm on weekly psychological therapy and I have been under it for several years. The search of deep psychological scars has ended quite some time ago and didn't enlighten me or healed, or anything akin. Really, what is cleaning my memories closet supposed to do?

Not that I'm saying that the therapy was useless. It has helped me but not in the way you seem to be suggesting, traveling to the past only manages to upset me now. What I need is to live in the present and setup plans to the future. I don't need to come to terms to some obscure event that happened when I was 3 years old, what I need is to interact with people, get a GF, build enough confidence to take higher risks, etc.

Bagels: How do someone sing up for your interview lists and what the process?
 
Lonely1 said:
For the record, I'm on weekly psychological therapy and I have been under it for several years. The search of deep psychological scars has ended quite some time ago and didn't enlighten me or healed, or anything akin. Really, what is cleaning my memories closet supposed to do?

Not that I'm saying that the therapy was useless. It has helped me but not in the way you seem to be suggesting, traveling to the past only manages to upset me now. What I need is to live in the present and setup plans to the future. I don't need to come to terms to some obscure event that happened when I was 3 years old, what I need is to interact with people, get a GF, build enough confidence to take higher risks, etc.

Bagels: How do someone sing up for your interview lists and what the process?
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If you want to sing for the privilege, that's cool. Usually people just PM me and then we meet up on Skype whenever.

I might have screwed the pooch by posting such a long interview, so we'll see if people are still reading these things and want to see more (but shorter) of them.
 
Bagels said:
If you want to sing for the privilege, that's cool. Usually people just PM me and then we meet up on Skype whenever.

I might have screwed the pooch by posting such a long interview, so we'll see if people are still reading these things and want to see more (but shorter) of them.
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Oh, but I'm a terrible singer. :( Skype? I would prefer a text based approach since I'm not native English speaker.
 
RatskyWatsky said:
Hrm, mind elaborating a little?
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Pathetic atmosphere that makes me cry. Like awkward, depressed, and lonely. I hated it and had to leave.

I want to make friends. Ones to go to conventions with, cosplay, concerts, dance, clubs, etc. I really need something to change. So I'm going to finally go see a professional. I can't end up like that.
 
shintoki said:
Pathetic atmosphere that makes me cry. Like awkward, depressed, and lonely. I hated it and had to leave.

I want to make friends. Ones to go to conventions with, cosplay, concerts, dance, clubs, etc. I really need something to change. So I'm going to finally go see a professional. I can't end up like that.
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I wasn't at your online meetup but still fell rejected! :(
 
Lonely1 said:
Oh, but I'm a terrible singer. :( Skype? I would prefer a text based approach since I'm not native English speaker.
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Sorry, I always forget to say "text chat over Skype." I don't want my interviewees to see that, while they're chatting, I'm only half paying attention and instead waging elaborate battles between armies of Lego people.
 
Bagels said:
Sorry, I always forget to say "text chat over Skype." I don't want my interviewees to see that, while they're chatting, I'm only half paying attention and instead waging elaborate battles between armies of Lego people.
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Tell us something we don't know.

YOU SUNK MY BATTLESHIP
 
I keep getting excellent results with my dietary choices. Sure, I still feel bad and struggle with feelings of being useless from time to time... but I am no longer able to wallow in bad feelings and be truly despaired. I can close my eyes and I am at peace, and I feel good in my body.

I am now convinced that taking a lot of antioxydants helps tremendously, because it brings down inflammation in all of the body. I take a big bowl of berries, 2-3 cups of matcha green tea (the most powerful), and a bit of dark chocolate every morning. Lots of broccoli, meat and some whey protein too (rich in glutathione, a fundamental antioxydant of the body).

As of late I have been interested in the role of CoQ10 in the body. Although its role still isn't perfectly understood, CoQ10 is at the source of energy generation of all cells in the body. Many depressive states would originate, or at least be aggravated by a state of low energy, and our modern diets are lacking in CoQ10. Having a constant, high level of CoQ10 in the body can thus make you far more energetic.

So I have started experimenting with taking very high doses of CoQ10 (a form without crystals). It is very, very, very safe and causes no known interactions. CoQ10 is typically uses in conjunction with statin drugs to minimize their side effects, to improve heart health, or to reduce high blood pressure, but it has a host of other benefits in the body. I must say that so far with roughly 10 days of use I really do seem to feel much more energetic and motivated than I used to. I am much more dynamic, and tend to procrastinate far less at work.
 
shintoki said:
Pathetic atmosphere that makes me cry. Like awkward, depressed, and lonely. I hated it and had to leave.

I want to make friends. Ones to go to conventions with, cosplay, concerts, dance, clubs, etc. I really need something to change. So I'm going to finally go see a professional. I can't end up like that.
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It's quite normal that a room full of depressed people will make you feel even more depressed. I question this method of healing as I went to a mental hospital of my own will and wanted to leave the first day I was there. I thought they would help (reason I went) but in actuality it made me even worse. Ever since leaving I have felt a lot better. Much easier to get my mind off of it. This was about 8 months ago. Now every time I look back on it I feel like an idiot for going there.
 
Oomikami said:
That's the thing I don't have appetite...
Lost will to live or even function properly.
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I have a hard time eating as well sometimes. My doctor actually told me I didn't need to force myself if I wasn't hungry, as forcing myself to eat would make me resent it more and stress more, so that's good. I think.
 
Fiction said:
I have a hard time eating as well sometimes. My doctor actually told me I didn't need to force myself if I wasn't hungry, as forcing myself to eat would make me resent it more and stress more, so that's good. I think.
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It's hard to describe but, I am hungry however I just don't have any will/appetite to actually appease my hunger.
Even if I do eat the food tastes...well not like food at all.
I just ate lunch now and it did nothing for my hunger (had an enormous bowl of rice and beans).
I know it's stress/depression causing this but eh...
 
Oomikami said:
It's hard to describe but, I am hungry however I just don't have any will/appetite to actually appease my hunger.
Even if I do eat the food tastes...well not like food at all.
I just ate lunch now and it did nothing for my hunger (had an enormous bowl of rice and beans).
I know it's stress/depression causing this but eh...
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Pretty much the same for me. It gets to the point where even if I am starving, I don't want to eat anything that isn't amazingly good. It has to be...worth it? I guess? I dunno. I also have times where it's just too much effort to even prepare something, and I would rather go hungry.
 
I wonder if the loss of appetite has a feedback loop with making the depression worse. If you aren't getting necessary supplements/vitamins it makes the depression worse...Maybe try taking vitamins and supplements at the very least if you're not going to eat?
 
Oomikami said:
It's hard to describe but, I am hungry however I just don't have any will/appetite to actually appease my hunger.
Even if I do eat the food tastes...well not like food at all.
I just ate lunch now and it did nothing for my hunger (had an enormous bowl of rice and beans).
I know it's stress/depression causing this but eh...
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Rice and beans is a horrible lunch to make you feel full. It's full of carbs, will make you feel bloated, and will likely cause you to have a crash afterwards. If lack of energy is a problem, that's one of the worst things to eat. Lean meat + veggies/fruit is preferable.
 
Oomikami said:
It's hard to describe but, I am hungry however I just don't have any will/appetite to actually appease my hunger.
Even if I do eat the food tastes...well not like food at all.
I just ate lunch now and it did nothing for my hunger (had an enormous bowl of rice and beans).
I know it's stress/depression causing this but eh...
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I definitely know the feeling. The thought of eating anything right makes me feel nauseous, but I havent eaten since yesterday...
 
Eltacoman said:
I wonder if the loss of appetite has a feedback loop with making the depression worse. If you aren't getting necessary supplements/vitamins it makes the depression worse...Maybe try taking vitamins and supplements at the very least if you're not going to eat?
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I guess I might as well take a vitamin pill, thanks.

Mr. Serious Business said:
Rice and beans is a horrible lunch to make you feel full. It's full of carbs, will make you feel bloated, and will likely cause you to have a crash afterwards. If lack of energy is a problem, that's one of the worst things to eat. Lean meat + veggies/fruit is preferable.
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(I'm vegetarian by the way, so meat is out of the question.)
It's actually not that bad, it makes me feel full normally.
The meal itself is a complete protein and has quiet a bit of the nutrients I need.
I'm usually energized after eating it, (that's mainly why I went to eat a big helping of it) it's more of mental fatigue getting to me.
I've been bombarded with exams and quizzes that I've been trying to study for; not to mention I've been fighting with myself on a daily basis.

Edit: (The rice and beans, had plenty of tomatoes, garlic, and onion if it helps. I'll eat a fruit I suppose.)

Fiction said:
Pretty much the same for me. It gets to the point where even if I am starving, I don't want to eat anything that isn't amazingly good. It has to be...worth it? I guess? I dunno. I also have times where it's just too much effort to even prepare something, and I would rather go hungry.
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Oh I know the exact feeling, that's why I usually cook in advanced when I'm actually full so I won't risk trying to eat something bad for lunch/dinner.
Something worth eating...Don't really have anything like that (except meals which are fine in their own right but I just can't sink my teeth in it, so to speak).

Arsenic Yellow said:
I definitely know the feeling. The thought of eating anything right makes me feel nauseous, but I havent eaten since yesterday...
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I haven't eaten regularly since Thrusday I think.
I had one meal yesterday if I remember correctly, all due to damn stress...*sigh*

Edit: Third meal of the day, still nothing.
 
My therapist suggested that I start taking a B complex supplement. This stuff just makes me feel like crap. She's definitely not a nutritionist.
 
My brain feels like that old food sponge that your mom kept for 5 or 6 years that has been dried out and rung out so many times that it starts crumbling as soon as you touch it today.
 
So my wife just got her Wellbutrin medication today. How long does it usually take for the medication to kick in? I've read that it normally takes about 4 weeks but some effects could occur sooner than that?
 
Oomikami said:
Sorry I just don't like texture of bagels D:

Speaking of which, I'm going to get some pizza, see if that works for hunger problems.
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when I'm depressed pizza is always my comfort food. Actually, bought pizza yesterday and about to eat some now :(

also, bagel bites are amazing, pizza rolls are disgusting, you'd have to pay me to eat them
 
Arsenic Yellow said:
when I'm depressed pizza is always my comfort food. Actually, bought pizza yesterday and about to eat some now :(

also, bagel bites are amazing, pizza rolls are disgusting, you'd have to pay me to eat them
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I don't know what you talking about! Pizza rolls are awesome, bagels have unsatisfying texture I can't handle!

But yeah, the pizza didn't help.
I think I'm doomed.
 
Bagel bites dominate pizza rolls. Every time. Especially in the oven or cooked just a little too long in the microwave so they are a little hard (to simulate crispy). In fact, all pizza is better a little over cooked. Nothing worse than a soft, soggy, doughy pizza. You need some crisp.


Also, in addition to my sponge brain, my limbs feel like lead. Did I have a stroke or something?
 
strobogo said:
Bagel bites dominate pizza rolls. Every time. Especially in the oven or cooked just a little too long in the microwave so they are a little hard (to simulate crispy). In fact, all pizza is better a little over cooked. Nothing worse than a soft, soggy, doughy pizza. You need some crisp.
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I think I'll try cooking the pizza a little longer and get back to you on that.
Thanks.

Edit: Sorry I don't know if you had a stroke or not...

Edit 1: It tasted good but unfortunately didn't help.
 
Oomikami said:
I guess I might as well take a vitamin pill, thanks.



(I'm vegetarian by the way, so meat is out of the question.)
It's actually not that bad, it makes me feel full normally.
The meal itself is a complete protein and has quiet a bit of the nutrients I need.
I'm usually energized after eating it, (that's mainly why I went to eat a big helping of it) it's more of mental fatigue getting to me.
I've been bombarded with exams and quizzes that I've been trying to study for; not to mention I've been fighting with myself on a daily basis.

Edit: (The rice and beans, had plenty of tomatoes, garlic, and onion if it helps. I'll eat a fruit I suppose.)
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Your diet definitely contributes to your state.

To get crucial saturated fats while preserving your dietary lifestyle, start taking some avocados and coconut.

Your brain actually needs lots of saturated fat to perform well.
 
Bloom said:
Your diet definitely contributes to your state.

To get crucial saturated fats while preserving your dietary lifestyle, start taking some avocados and coconut.

Your brain actually needs lots of saturated fat to perform well.
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I wouldn't say me being vegetarian caused my depression if that's what you mean.
I was long depressed even before being vegetarian.

Still avocados and coconut are really expensive here but I thank you for the info, I'll try to ingest more of it.
 
strobogo said:
Bagel bites dominate pizza rolls. Every time. Especially in the oven or cooked just a little too long in the microwave so they are a little hard (to simulate crispy). In fact, all pizza is better a little over cooked. Nothing worse than a soft, soggy, doughy pizza. You need some crisp.


Also, in addition to my sponge brain, my limbs feel like lead. Did I have a stroke or something?
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Can you talk properly? Do you feel numbness or have blurred vision?

I wanna just say besides possible mood cycles, maybe you're hungry and woke up at a bad point in your sleep cycle, but if you have any weird body sensations, you might want to check it out.

Oomikami said:
I think I'll try cooking the pizza a little longer and get back to you on that.
Thanks.

Edit: Sorry I don't know if you had a stroke or not...
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If it's just stress/anxiety that's making you feel weird and full of hunger, eating might not help, but at least you're giving your body whatever it requires in the meantime.

I'd say to try to seek out some comfort food to convince yourself/your body into a state of safety and wellbeing.
Fruit smoothies and delicious juices like orange juice or apple cider always makes me happier (I associate tartness with mental alertness anyway).. Teas are nice too. Plus, these things don't require chewing!
 
Prax said:
If it's just stress/anxiety that's making you feel weird and full of hunger, eating might not help, but at least you're giving your body whatever it requires in the meantime.

I'd say to try to seek out some comfort food to convince yourself/your body into a state of safety and wellbeing.
Fruit smoothies and delicious juices like orange juice or apple cider always makes me happier (I associate tartness with mental alertness anyway).. Teas are nice too. Plus, these things don't require chewing!
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Hi Prax,
I normally like fruit juices and stuff but for some reason feel queasy about that stuff...
Same goes for teas...
It sucks because I used to love this stuff....

Kwixotik said:
If you guys aren't putting your pizza rolls/bagel bites in the oven/toaster oven, you're doing it wrong.
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Who puts it in the microwave?...
 
I hate eating now. I do when I can, because I know I have to, but the only connection I make to it besides surviving is that it makes me fat, fat, fat. Eating makes me hate myself.

And my friend is going to a therapist now and I'm so jealous... I hate myself for being jealous. I don't know, I just feel like I'm going to explode any minute. Or implode. Any kind of plode. I know I can't go on feeling like this.

I don't know.

Maybe I'm overreacting.

I always feel like I'm overreacting about everything.
 
Oomikami said:
Hi Prax,
I normally like fruit juices and stuff but for some reason feel queasy about that stuff...
Same goes for teas...
It sucks because I used to love this stuff....

Who puts it in the microwave?...
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Yeah, that's a foreign concept to me! NOT wanting to drink a smoothie?? How..! (I guess if I overloaded on sugar in the day, I'd be less inclined..)
I always wonder if our appetites point to the direction of what our body requires. If juices brings up thoughts of queasiness, maybe eating more fats IS the answer and the pizza will work? (Either that, or you're subconsciously trying to deny yourself rewarding food as punishment/self-sabotage lol That's happened to me.. but usually in terms of sleep denial.)

I am too lazy and microwave is faster, so bagel bites go into the microwave. XD
 
Quick question depressionGAF: Is not killing yourself solely for the purpose of not wanting to upset your mother a good enough reason to keep putting yourself through misery? A *friend* of mine has had trouble making up his mind regarding this
 
Bradlums said:
Quick question depressionGAF: Is not killing yourself solely for the purpose of not wanting to upset your mother a good enough reason to keep putting yourself through misery? A *friend* of mine has had trouble making up his mind regarding this
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As someone who lost two friends in their early twenties (neither to suicide), all I can say is the death of a loved one, especially before their time, is the kind of thing you never really recover from.

If your *friend* is truly suicidal, get them to a hospital right away.
 
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