BenjaminBirdie
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I see what you're saying but I don't that was laziness either. It was fear of disgruntling a star creator (or in Johns' case him possibly just saying "Fuck you, I run this shit.")
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I see what you're saying but I don't that was laziness either. It was fear of disgruntling a star creator (or in Johns' case him possibly just saying "Fuck you, I run this shit.")
Spike Spiegel
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And giving speeches. Can't forget that part.
Don't get me wrong... I like dialogue. Nothing wrong with good dialogue between characters. But this was a lot of "character X sets Rogue up to deliver a three paragraph essay on what she thinks." Sometimes she does it without prompting, and with a lot of "ah"'s thrown in for that Southern charm.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
then why not wait until morrisons run ended? batman is gonna sell regardless of whether or not things are different i know. but the flow of everything would be better, and we wouldnt have retcons on characters this early down the line.
BuddyJoeHooker
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52 number ones. A gimmick was more important.
fredrancour
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We don't know. We don't know whose idea the whole thing was. By committee? By WB decree in the hopes that it could lead to more stand alone, adaptable material? It is thus far a mystery to the public.
EDIT: And what hooker said, in all likelihood.
Also, I just had a funny thought: the first time 52 came up in the DCU was 52 the comic book series, right? How fitting that half the creators that worked on it have now basically declared a blood feud on DC's management.
slightconfuse
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I feel like the DC crossover stuff is totally fine and acceptable if it's happening among books that I would already be reading regardless, but gigantic linewide stuff like the Batman crossovers is just way too much for me to get into when I read hardly any of those books normally. Night of the Owls wasn't so bad because most of the side stories were completely skippable but if Death of the Family starts interfering with my ability to read and enjoy JUST the Regular-ass Batman book I'll be checking out of that until it's over.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Death of the Family is fucking ridiculous to me because Teen Titans is being shoehorned into it and TT has only been focused on Tim Drake and Superboy. Want Bunker, Skitter and Slstice. Get Raven up in this bitch and have her start her own crew ASAP and not at issue 25 as planned.
I'm kinda worried about this:
I read Demon Knights but I'm not touching any of that other stuff. I have a feeling it's going to be a big time-spanning thing that starts with DK and moves forward in time through the other books. It will probably be skippable but I hate that something that happens is a book I'm reading is going to have repercussions in other books and I'm not going to know what it is unless I go check a wiki.
Sue is still sort of written like that half the time.
TheFightingFish
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Yeah, for someone new to comic books (like myself) that list posted earlier about the 100 top runs is going to be really useful. If someone says "read Sandman" then I can just go and track that down easily enough. But the main Marvel / DC stuff it's just too hard to figure out what is actually worth reading, too many titles, creators and artists to get jumbled around. So getting specific creators and runs highlighted is a great start.
BuddyJoeHooker
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Maybe ComicGAF can come up with a definitive list for newcomers. It could be the theme for the January OT.
ViewtifulJC
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Remember guys, Deadpool starts tomorrow, which is gonna have Tony Moore drawing zombie Roosevelt uppercutting the SHIT out of a bear
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Rafa=FedKilla
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Just in case there was any doubt left, Jeff Lemire clearly stated today in an interview that he is not leaving JLD. That's what his buddy is for.
Pumped for Marvel Now this month, don't think I can wait three more for Young Avengers.
Pumped for Marvel Now this month, don't think I can wait three more for Young Avengers.
sazabirules
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Sorry guys I went and bought the first omnibus of Fraction's Invincible Iron Man. I probably won't buy anymore of it if the quality drops since the majority of you said it did. I'm also thing about getting the new Iron Man tomorrow.
Remember guys, Deadpool starts tomorrow, which is gonna have Tony Moore drawing zombie Roosevelt uppercutting the SHIT out of a bear
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Yup, this seals it, I am getting this book. Just for that page.
TheKaeptain
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But DOTF is mainly in Bats and you don't have to buy the others right?
i'd actually love to compile this, as i've already requested to make the jan OT after ttob does dec. it also makes sense because i've been compiling a list myself in recent months. if someone wants to help me with DC or add new ones with a little blurb about it, pm or post it. a quick one:
The Immortal Iron Fist
Dr Strange - The Oath
The Books of Doom
Morrison's New X-Men
Whedon's Astonishing X-Men
Slott's She-Hulk
Black Panther - See Wakanda and Die
Hickman's Fantastic Four/FF
Bendis' Daredevil
Remender's Uncanny X-Force
i'm reading these now, they make the list when all is said and done:
Marvel Cosmic
Allred's X-Statix (wish i could find a good high quality digital version of this, but comixology doesn't have it)
Yeah, much like Night of the Owls, Snyder was basically like "So, Joker/Owls will try to fuck with Batman and his extended family, I'll deal with the Batman stuff, if any of you guys on the other titles want to do a thing, go on ahead'. Maybe a bit more coordinated than that, but the story structure is loose enough that things happening outside of the main title are mostly inconsequential to the story.
Remember guys, Deadpool starts tomorrow, which is gonna have Tony Moore drawing zombie Roosevelt uppercutting the SHIT out of a bear
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That uppercut is MILITANT!
Jedeye Sniv
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They're not out yet and they will be completely non-essential. the storyline "Death of the Family" is in Batman. The cashgrab tie-ins are in the other books. No big deal.
Shin Johnpv
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Isn't this kind of the point of a singular cohesive universe? That things that happen aren't self contained in one book that ignores what's going on in the rest of the universe?
Personally I'm fine with this, hell I wish the characters that had multiple books would go back to the way that was handled in the mid - late 90s. I loved it when there were 4 Superman books and each one had a specific order and connected in some way to the one before/after.
Shin Johnpv
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Because the rest of DC wasn't selling. Why sit an entire reboot on the side cause 1 book is doing fairly well, and who fucking knew/knows when Morrison's run was/is going to end. He's still slowly shitting out Batman Inc books.
Lets put this massive reboot that's going to make us a shit load of money on hold for a year while Morrison takes his sweet ass time telling 1 story.
Doesn't seem like good business sense.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Yeah you can just read that. I'm mostly complaining about books that have no reason to tie in and need to find their own voice.
The Take Out Bandit
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Simonson Thor
Ennis Punisher Knights & Max
New Frontier
Jenkins/Lee Inhumans
New Frontier so hard. Such a fantastic book.
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Remember guys, Deadpool starts tomorrow, which is gonna have Tony Moore drawing zombie Roosevelt uppercutting the SHIT out of a bear
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You going to Jail Now! You going to Jail Now!
Consequences 5 spoilers:
OK, Cyclops is officially a bad guy now. I don't know how anyone can argue that. He sent 3 humans to Limbo, and they're probably dead. He told one of his teammates to carve a giant X on the face of a guy he thought was doing mutants wrong, and while most escaped he flatted the prison over some interns...
And he says he's doing what is necessary, but as soon as he escapes the media starts talking about mutant concentration camps. Things were bad, but there's no doubt Scott's action are making then worse.
And he says he's doing what is necessary, but as soon as he escapes the media starts talking about mutant concentration camps. Things were bad, but there's no doubt Scott's action are making then worse.
krypt0nian
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The Take Out Bandit
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Guarding the Globe is neogaf OT the comic.
Multicultural team. Sexual orientation parade. Fighting against a "rape bomb".
I'm wondering if the next issue will have the team fighting against The Generous Tipper©?
Multicultural team. Sexual orientation parade. Fighting against a "rape bomb".
I'm wondering if the next issue will have the team fighting against The Generous Tipper©?
Yeah, they can make this a good story. I'm sure eventually Scott will find redemption, it's just that since joining Prof. X's school Scott has been a hero. A flawed hero but a hero nonetheless.
I thought being a anti hero would be the better path to him, but now he's just Magneto lite. He's a villain no doubt. Logan has killed a lot of people, but I think no one could make a serious argument about him being a villain. That's how it should have gone for Cyclops.
Scott and Logan have switched places. Logan is trying to be the hero Scott always was, and Scott is trying to do the necessary like Logan has always done.
It's an interesting situation, but I think Marvel could have handled it a little better on Scott's side. I wonder if this is truly how Gillen wanted things to go instead of a corporate decision.
And while I do think that Bendis can do good work with Cyclops, I just don't trust him writing Logan at all. On his whole Avengers run Logan has been a joke character. He's just there to sell more copies, drink beer on breakfast, smells funny and bang Squirrel Girl.
I thought being a anti hero would be the better path to him, but now he's just Magneto lite. He's a villain no doubt. Logan has killed a lot of people, but I think no one could make a serious argument about him being a villain. That's how it should have gone for Cyclops.
Scott and Logan have switched places. Logan is trying to be the hero Scott always was, and Scott is trying to do the necessary like Logan has always done.
It's an interesting situation, but I think Marvel could have handled it a little better on Scott's side. I wonder if this is truly how Gillen wanted things to go instead of a corporate decision.
And while I do think that Bendis can do good work with Cyclops, I just don't trust him writing Logan at all. On his whole Avengers run Logan has been a joke character. He's just there to sell more copies, drink beer on breakfast, smells funny and bang Squirrel Girl.
You are the majority. Based on sales, comic fans love events and crossovers.
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Supermanisdead
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Uncanny X-Force #33. HOLY SHIT.
A+++++++++
A shark eating you from inside has gotta be the best death I've seen in this book.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Any Iron Man impressions?
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Can someone remind me what all the Marvel Now! books coming out this week are?
I've stated that in my previous post. But Scott's situation is not so simple anymore. That's why I think it could have been handled better.
Logan knows that the ends don't justify the means, that's why he tries so hard to change his nature and his ways, and sure he still fails pretty often but he knows that now. That's classic anti hero material. That's pretty much Remender whole Wolverine arc on his X-Force run condensed to a single phrase. The consequence of that is the creation of his school.
Scott now believes the ends justify the means. If he can get to where he wants if he can take mutants to where he wants then to be he'll even kill his father figure without much remorse or send living people (humans of course) to hell/limbo. He'll do whatever it takes. That's classic villain material right there. Scott didn't always believed that, but ever since he fused with Apocalypse and specially during the Morrison years and Jean's death he has slowly changed his stance until House of M and Wanda came along and made him cross the line.
Scott now believes the ends justify the means. If he can get to where he wants if he can take mutants to where he wants then to be he'll even kill his father figure without much remorse or send living people (humans of course) to hell/limbo. He'll do whatever it takes. That's classic villain material right there. Scott didn't always believed that, but ever since he fused with Apocalypse and specially during the Morrison years and Jean's death he has slowly changed his stance until House of M and Wanda came along and made him cross the line.
Rafa brah, Iron Man 01 was pretty good IMO. Gillen is truly a great writer! I just wish he had another artist...Land is horrible...
Small art spoiler:
Colin forty-four's face when Tony threatens him high in the sky...LOL!
Doublesith
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Exactly.
Hey, Wolverine can stab people in the face all day long, but Cyclops doesn't actually kill anyone and he's the villain? Bah.
Hated. Feared. And Saving the World. Fuck Yeah. #TeamCyclops
Hated. Feared. And Saving the World. Fuck Yeah. #TeamCyclops
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
Honest question, how often does logan use his claws on characters that aren't the hand, the mass expendables at aim and hydra, or robots? In fact it seems more often than not, he's at the hand of a beatdown than dishing out pain.
pulga
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Villainy? What are you talking about. His actions in Consequences hardly make him a villain.
So he sent three inmates to limbo. Inmates who murdered who knows how many. So because Scott sends them to limbo, instead of slicing them up like Logan...he's a villain? I agree the "X" was a bit overkill.
my name is ed
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Great variant cover by Paolo Rivera for Cap #1:
In the bottom right hand corner, you can just barely make it out, but one bullet says, "Supervillainy." Hah.
Rivera has such a great sense of design. It carries over to his to story telling and it is part of reason why he is such a great, great comic artist. Can't wait for his own creator stuff to come out
Rafa=FedKilla
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